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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;6809495][COLOR="#000080"]I don't mind them keeping Shuri around as long as t hey use her like she is intended to be: [B]a supporting character[/B] just like everyone else. Stop trying to replace T'Challa with new characters that no one is going to care about. If anything they can use people like Tosin, Omololo and the rest as Agents of Wakanda, reporting only to T'Challa. They can handle the red shirts while T'Challa deals with the boss characters.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
[B]At this point I'ma take a page out of MoS book and say, I would sacrifice 10,000 Wakandan redshirts, have WAKANDA and it's pet characters get punked/ killed, for T'Challa to have some huge Boss moments and a return to focus back on him with status quo restored [/B]
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heads up.
if you're the sort who looks at solicits, you're going to want to watch out for the one for X-Force #2.
Never think I'm not thinking about you.
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UBP#3 is still going strong that book is a legit success
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;6809546]T'challa aint' coming back as long as Coogler is directing.
I'd watch his X-men movie though.
I ain't watching BP3 lol[/QUOTE]
Gotta have faith brother.
I think T'Challa returning would come down from Iger.
Now it might be a post secret Wars/alternate universe T'Challa though.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;6809622][B]At this point I'ma take a page out of MoS book and say, I would sacrifice 10,000 Wakandan redshirts, have WAKANDA and it's pet characters get punked/ killed, for T'Challa to have some huge Boss moments and a return to focus back on him with status quo restored [/B][/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]It really doesn't have to be an either or. Priest, Hudlin and Liss had T'Challa in boss mode while having a good supporting cast.
You aren't going to have a solo without having a supporting cast and that cast should travel from series to series with the occasional new addition. Everything depends on what the writer does with the main character.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Redjack;6809906]heads up.
if you're the sort who looks at solicits, you're going to want to watch out for the one for X-Force #2.
Never think I'm not thinking about you.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Looking forward to it and already subscribed to the series.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Redjack;6809906]heads up.
if you're the sort who looks at solicits, you're going to want to watch out for the one for X-Force #2.
Never think I'm not thinking about you.[/QUOTE]
Bruh! Every intention of putting this on my order list.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;6810527][COLOR="#000080"]It really doesn't have to be an either or. Priest, Hudlin and Liss had T'Challa in boss mode while having a good supporting cast.
You aren't going to have a solo without having a supporting cast and that cast should travel from series to series with the occasional new addition. Everything depends on what the writer does with the main character.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
[B]We need a dark reign cleaning house of T'Challas supporting cast at this point otherwise I would normally agree with you. Tosin, omolo, buffalo, the MA, Zenz, changaroo and PM and her assistant can all bite the dust. The supporting cast should be a relatively smart right ground with specific roles to fill, none of which should step into T'Challas lane. [/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;6810723][B]We need a dark reign cleaning house of T'Challas supporting cast at this point otherwise I would normally agree with you. Tosin, omolo, buffalo, the MA, Zenz, changaroo and PM and her assistant can all bite the dust. The supporting cast should be a relatively smart right ground with specific roles to fill, none of which should step into T'Challas lane. [/B][/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]That was the problem with the last three solos. Characters were introduced to be a mouthpiece for the writers at the expense of T'Challa. All these characters were there to "teach T'Challa a lesson" or point out some "failure of T'Challa" and that's what the whole run was about. And none of these runs gave T'Challa any moments. No feats, no get back, just lectures.
That's why we despise these runs. No T'Challa fan wants to read about that isht.[/COLOR]
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The only time I can think of when hiring a writer that didn’t like T’Challa paid off was Priest who disappointed when it was offered. But he understood that he needed to make the character cool and completely misunderstood by readers and the MU resulting in an influential character defining run. Meanwhile modern writers treat him like a problematic obstacle in the way of what they really want to write.
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[QUOTE=Blanks;6807884]I’m all for them using this mini as a way to rid the Panther mythos of some of Coates and Ridley’s pet characters. Just need an on-panel death, no other further explaination in future issues or series. A simple house cleaning and then reset the status quo pack to where we found it at at the beginning (or the end) of Secret War.[/QUOTE]
I would absolutely love this, which is exactly how I know that this will absolutely never happen 😂
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;6810768][COLOR="#000080"]That was the problem with the last three solos. Characters were introduced to be a mouthpiece for the writers at the expense of T'Challa. All these characters were there to "teach T'Challa a lesson" or point out some "failure of T'Challa" and that's what the whole run was about. And none of these runs gave T'Challa any moments. No feats, no get back, just lectures.
That's why we despise these runs. No T'Challa fan wants to read about that isht.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
In hindsight, it really must be asked, who on Galactus's grape flavored earth were these runs for? Long time BP fans? Nope. New fans who saw the movies first? Probably, if they're new comic readers in general, those poor souls don't know any better. The Black Excellence/Blerd crowd? This is the more likely answer, but these folks live on social media, they don't buy comics, and they certainly don't read them, unless they're taking panels for discourse, or watching 3 hour video essays about them.
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[QUOTE=Overhazard;6811007]In hindsight, it really must be asked, who on Galactus's grape flavored earth were these runs for? Long time BP fans? Nope. New fans who saw the movies first? Probably, if they're new comic readers in general, those poor souls don't know any better. The Black Excellence/Blerd crowd? This is the more likely answer, but these folks live on social media, they don't buy comics, and they certainly don't read them, unless they're taking panels for discourse, or watching 3 hour video essays about them.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget the other group that acts like T'Challa had nothing until SHE showed up and somehow he OWES her for his success.
All I know is sales stayed the same after a certain event and only went up in Hudlin's run with Avengers and subbing for Fantastic Four took place.
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;6811475]Don't forget the other group that acts like T'Challa had nothing until SHE showed up and somehow he OWES her for his success.
All I know is sales stayed the same after a certain event and only went up in Hudlin's run with Avengers and subbing for Fantastic Four took place.[/QUOTE]
Whats said is how before Black Panther was a reliable midcard success. Sure he wasn't pulling Spider-Man or Wolverine numbers, but his ongoings would make it past the 20 issue mark and last a decently long time like other B-Tiers like Iron Fist and Daredevil.
Meanwhile now Ridley had his book slammed at issue 15 and Eve's book canned at 10 issues.
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[QUOTE=KingNomarch;6810936]The only time I can think of when hiring a writer that didn’t like T’Challa paid off was Priest who disappointed when it was offered. But he understood that he needed to make the character cool and completely misunderstood by readers and the MU resulting in an influential character defining run. Meanwhile modern writers treat him like a problematic obstacle in the way of what they really want to write.[/QUOTE]
Just a reminder:
It's true Priest didn't care for the character. But it's also true that (unlike every BP author since [I]Secret Wars[/I]) he was a professional comic book writer who had been working in the industry for quite literally fifteen [B]years[/B]. He didn't let his personal feelings about BP get in the way... instead, he tried his damnedest to MAKE the book interesting.
He did the job.