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    But...but...that's treating Peter like he's an...

    But...but...that's treating Peter like he's an actual three dimensional human character whose adventures and experience matter and build upon and inform each other and not his current actual...
  2. I don't think overall fan opinion was necessarily...

    I don't think overall fan opinion was necessarily low, but I highly doubt anyone would have put Kraven on the same level as, say, the Green Goblin or Doc Ock prior to KLH.

    Now he's enough of an...
  3. I'm confused. Because rejecting it for continuity...

    I'm confused. Because rejecting it for continuity was about the Marvel Universe, not Spider-Man. If they were concerned only about re-setting Spider-Man, then JMS's story would have been of extreme...
  4. A bit off topic but quickly: I’m an omnivore...

    A bit off topic but quickly: I’m an omnivore media consumer. To list my favorite books/media properties would take pages and bore everyone.

    But on storytelling, here are a few classic resources...
  5. There are zero problems with killing a supporting...

    There are zero problems with killing a supporting character off, and I doubt anyone would have called Kraven a “staple” before KLH elevated the character. IMO, that’s allowing nostalgia to take the...
  6. The real reason IMO why none of the Kraven...

    The real reason IMO why none of the Kraven replacements work is that they are the epitome of “and then” storytelling. They just appear because “we need a Kraven” without examining WHY the story needs...
  7. That’s the iconic Alien Costume Saga by Tom...

    That’s the iconic Alien Costume Saga by Tom DeFalco and Ron Frenz.

    Amazing Spider-Man 258 has the costume taking Peter out for a spin while sleeping

    That issue also has:
    Mary Jane reveals...
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    Word of God: https://i.imgur.com/JjhuHsV.png

    Word of God:

    https://i.imgur.com/JjhuHsV.png
  9. You’re discussing story beats instead of...

    You’re discussing story beats instead of character progression.

    However, KLH continues to be referenced as a touchpoint in Peter’s life to this day, even brought up in the current run via...
  10. Spider-Man’s story is an integral part of the...

    Spider-Man’s story is an integral part of the Marvel U. They can’t be separated. That’s why JMS’s original ending for OMD was rejected.



    It is impossible to have one’s cake and eat it, too....
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    He's not allowed to now. But before OMD, he...

    He's not allowed to now.

    But before OMD, he did. That's what Spencer is meta-critiquing.
  12. You bring up great points, although I would argue...

    You bring up great points, although I would argue this is still about plot beats instead of the main topic which is character development.

    You point to the difference between "but/therefore"...
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    Examples? Because Peter declaring "Otto was a...

    Examples?

    Because Peter declaring "Otto was a jerk" and putting on a web diaper as his reaction to Superior is, um, yeah, no. Not character development and growth. The opposite.

    Peter taking...
  14. Quoting for truth. The toy box mentality...

    Quoting for truth.

    The toy box mentality should be number one on the list of things to eliminate to maintain the life of Peter Parker. It's not preserving him, it's killing him as a viable,...
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    Since we're identifying fallacies, this is the...

    Since we're identifying fallacies, this is the moving the goalposts informal fallacy, as the original assertion was "There were no fans 'demanding' it."



    You're right, although I believed the...
  16. MARVEL tells us it is one story. MARVEL, the...

    MARVEL tells us it is one story.

    MARVEL, the ones who supposedly "got their continuity right this first time."

    This isn't a case of fanon, of readers trying to impose their interpretation on...
  17. I agree, there are a myriad of possible solutions...

    I agree, there are a myriad of possible solutions that can be used to cross that bridge should the bridge need to be crossed.

    And it's not like one has to worry about his supporting cast. His...
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    It’s more that thanks to social media and the...

    It’s more that thanks to social media and the like, fallacious arguments are amplified and multiplied. And it feels like fewer and fewer people are educated how to recognize fallacies.

    In my...
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    By this definition - an editor determining a...

    By this definition - an editor determining a title's direction - much of Marvel's history is "editorial interference." We're seeing X-Men go through it right now. Are X-Men fans not supposed to...
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    You are describing toxic masculinity. But agree...

    You are describing toxic masculinity. But agree with getting back on topic.



    Not to mention, this is a story with established characters so even if reality matched what was being asserted -...
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    No one gender has the monopoly on being "weak" or...

    No one gender has the monopoly on being "weak" or "needing protection" or cheating on their spouse/lover. I also find the characterization of what women look for in a partner to not be accurate.
    ...
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    1) It actually was a progression - both Peter and...

    1) It actually was a progression - both Peter and MJ were thinking of each other in terms of long term commitment - and there was organic motivation provided in the arc leading up to the marriage....
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    Spencer has been attending cons - Sal at Comic...

    Spencer has been attending cons - Sal at Comic Pop said he spoke to him at one some months ago.
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    Comics have two distinct markets: 1) comics...

    Comics have two distinct markets:

    1) comics as entertainment which requires opening the issue to read a story

    2) comics as physical collectibles

    Ironically, to be the second comics cannot...
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    I'll repeat what I said on the last page: ...

    I'll repeat what I said on the last page:



    This concept is inherently flawed.

    There is zero cleverness to the Jackpot character. All the character has to do is keep spinning until they get...
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