X-Men '97: The Animated Series (Disney+)

[master of read]

i wonder why they giving charles so much grief over this? and mags as well. charles wanted to believe that magnus could change and give scott and jean (or maddie in this case) time to live their lives away from being x-men. and it looked like mags was gonna change. then geonosha happened. you don't go through that shit and expect to be alright. same with rogue. she saw a bunch of people just get murdered, including the love of her life. you don't just get over that. for me, i just found it.......odd that they would just blame chuck for what mags did and blame mags for reacting as he did. its bastion and the sentinels' fault for things going tits up.

but that's just a small nitpick in a overall fantastic ep of a fantastic series.

[Nate Grey]

i wonder why they giving charles so much grief over this? and mags as well. charles wanted to believe that magnus could change and give scott and jean (or maddie in this case) time to live their lives away from being x-men. and it looked like mags was gonna change. then geonosha happened. you don't go through that shit and expect to be alright. same with rogue. she saw a bunch of people just get murdered, including the love of her life. you don't just get over that. for me, i just found it.......odd that they would just blame chuck for what mags did and blame mags for reacting as he did. its bastion and the sentinels' fault for things going tits up.

but that's just a small nitpick in a overall fantastic ep of a fantastic series.

Oh I agree, they're being unfair to both and acting like the context for both's actions don't count as mitigating circumstances. But I just chalk it up to can't have to many greys too long in shows like this, back to black and white.

[j9ac9k]

i wonder why they giving charles so much grief over this? and mags as well. charles wanted to believe that magnus could change and give scott and jean (or maddie in this case) time to live their lives away from being x-men. and it looked like mags was gonna change....

I liked the conversation, but it's one that Charles should've had with Scott while drawing up his will. Even if Scott disagreed, he wouldn't have been blind-sided by the decision. How did Charles expect Scott would just walk away after leaving the X-Men to their greatest enemy? It's also a bit presumptuous to make that decision for Scott and Jean - it's not exactly treating them like adults. (in a funny way it just reminds me of all those "my adult child is still living at home" stories where the parent goes to extremes to get their adult child to leave the house)

[master of read]

I liked the conversation, but it's one that Charles should've had with Scott while drawing up his will. Even if Scott disagreed, he wouldn't have been blind-sided by the decision. How did Charles expect Scott would just walk away after leaving the X-Men to their greatest enemy? It's also a bit presumptuous to make that decision for Scott and Jean - it's not exactly treating them like adults. (in a funny way it just reminds me of all those "my adult child is still living at home" stories where the parent goes to extremes to get their adult child to leave the house)

to be fair, by the time the OG show had ended, mags was less of a enemy and more of a ally than anything: he saved charles multiple times during the savage land arc, helped saved the world from the phalanx invasion, resolved the original asteroid M mess when one of his own men betrayed and seemingly killed him, stop poccy lips from erasing the universe, and you know, saved charles' life after he was nearly killed. so while i agree that him blindsiding the team with the will was a bit shortsighted, leaving the school to mags was a good choice, given how he had changed since his introduction.

[j9ac9k]

to be fair, by the time the OG show had ended, mags was less of a enemy and more of a ally than anything: he saved charles multiple times during the savage land arc, helped saved the world from the phalanx invasion, resolved the original asteroid M mess when one of his own men betrayed and seemingly killed him, stop poccy lips from erasing the universe, and you know, saved charles' life after he was nearly killed. so while i agree that him blindsiding the team with the will was a bit shortsighted, leaving the school to mags was a good choice, given how he had changed since his introduction.

Ah, okay. I didn't watch the last series so his decision does make more sense on that level.

[Agent Z]

* If there was any doubt this series was fixing Jean's AdaptationalWimp status from the original series, this episode should put them to rest.

* I get why Storm would be touchy about the idea of permanently depowering someone given her own experience, but surely she must see how dangerous it is to leave even the possibility of Bastion causing problems with his powers in the future.

* "Let me give you a hand". "What is the sound of one hand clapping?". Hank, I hope you don't plan on becoming a stand-up comedian anytime soon

[j9ac9k]

* I get why Storm would be touchy about the idea of permanently depowering someone given her own experience, but surely she must see how dangerous it is to leave even the possibility of Bastion causing problems with his powers in the future.

Isn't that the dilemma of all heroes? How willing are you to cross lines to stop a threat? I mean, killing him would be easier than depowering him after all, why wouldn't the X-Men just do that all the time? (you know, because of "the possibility" as you say) Might as well join the FOH to kill mutants who might "possibly" cause problems?

[Besouro]

Xmen 97 S01x09

This episode was mostly good but Part of it made no sense.

There is no way Wolverine with his mentallic coater skeleton can get anywhere remotely near Magneto "Master of Magnetism" let alone being able to sneak up behind Magneto to stab him.

That was rubbish writing.

U can't "blindside" a person who can detect you from miles away before u even reach his line of sight.

Even when Wolverine landed on that asteroid... Magneto could have EASILY magnetized Wolverine to the floor.

During that same fight showed Magneto making several omni-directional magnetic force bursts..... And yet none of that affected Wolverine?

How?!?

Magneto did NOT and does NOT need to see Wolverine to know where he is.

Even with Wolverine was cloaked on some type of invisibility.... Magneto would still detect the adamanatium in Wolverine ESPECIALLY because of its very unique alloy.

[Adam Allen]

Xmen 97 S01x09

This episode was mostly good but Part of it made no sense.

There is no way Wolverine with his mentallic coater skeleton can get anywhere remotely near Magneto "Master of Magnetism" let alone being able to sneak up behind Magneto to stab him.

That was rubbish writing.

U can't "blindside" a person who can detect you from miles away before u even reach his line of sight.

Even when Wolverine landed on that asteroid... Magneto could have EASILY magnetized Wolverine to the floor.

During that same fight showed Magneto making several omni-directional magnetic force bursts..... And yet none of that affected Wolverine?

How?!?

Magneto did NOT and does NOT need to see Wolverine to know where he is.

Even with Wolverine was cloaked on some type of invisibility.... Magneto would still detect the adamanatium in Wolverine ESPECIALLY because of its very unique alloy.

... right, Magneto can sense where Wolverine is, even without looking in his direction. Of course, given that his powers are Omega (ridiculous) level, no doubt Mags can also sense where any living system (like a person) is, because our brains make electricity.

So yeah, of course he knew Wolverine was part of the team on Asteroid M. He'd also known and worked with, lived with and fought both against then along side Logan over a long length of time. In other words, while the metal skeleton would certainly be unique, on a subconscious level, Magneto would not be used to paying any more attention to Logan's presence (metal skeleton or not) than anyone else's. Wolverine basically was Just a Dude to Mags on a mental level, at this point. And you don't expect Just a Dude to put knives through you; you know, they never did for the years and years of your being around them, prior to this. Not even in a fight.

Last, and kind of importantly -- you think maybe Magneto had a lot of things on his mind, at that time? Sure, in hindsight, easy to say you should probably pay the most attention to the guy who has knives in his arms, but again, that guy never ever stabbed you before.

In fact, I will watch the fight again, but wasn't it Wolverine who got close enough to physically take the helmet off? Because that would be yet another time Just a Dude did not suddenly try to kill you. So the surprise was not that Logan was able to get close to Magneto, but that he actually stabbed him.

Like, how many actual humans have we seen (cartoon) Logan actually stab, for all of the gruffness? Robot and monsters I'm sure he goes all out on, but without having watched most of the OG series, going to go out on a limb and guess this might be the first time he's actually stabbed a person. Unless they let him get a shot at someone like Apocalypse or Sabertooth, who we know is easily going to survive it.

Really, on a character level, it totally makes sense that Magneto wouldn't see that coming. He'd just been Wolverine's ally for the longest time. Wolverine was ultimate a fellow mutant; in Mags' mind, he is actually doing this for all of them, even if the others are confused by Charles' peace-mongering. He probably felt, on some level, you'll really kill me over petty humans?

As punishment I'll rip the metal out of you. That'll learn ya.

[Frontier]

Isn't that the dilemma of all heroes? How willing are you to cross lines to stop a threat? I mean, killing him would be easier than depowering him after all, why wouldn't the X-Men just do that all the time? (you know, because of "the possibility" as you say) Might as well join the FOH to kill mutants who might "possibly" cause problems?

It does make me wonder if Bastion survives the season because it seems like the plan is to take him alive but I feel like he might still bite it.

[Nods]

It does make me wonder if Bastion survives the season because it seems like the plan is to take him alive but I feel like he might still bite it.

I don't think he can "die" but I do hope that they move on and do a big bad of each season.

[Nathaniel Gray]

Xmen 97 S01x09

This episode was mostly good but Part of it made no sense.

There is no way Wolverine with his mentallic coater skeleton can get anywhere remotely near Magneto "Master of Magnetism" let alone being able to sneak up behind Magneto to stab him.

That was rubbish writing.

U can't "blindside" a person who can detect you from miles away before u even reach his line of sight.

Even when Wolverine landed on that asteroid... Magneto could have EASILY magnetized Wolverine to the floor.

During that same fight showed Magneto making several omni-directional magnetic force bursts..... And yet none of that affected Wolverine?

How?!?

Magneto did NOT and does NOT need to see Wolverine to know where he is.

Even with Wolverine was cloaked on some type of invisibility.... Magneto would still detect the adamanatium in Wolverine ESPECIALLY because of its very unique alloy.

Well.... there are so many unbelievable things in the X-men that people can focus on, or just enjoy the story without nitpicking everything and go with it? Just a suggestion.

[j9ac9k]

It does make me wonder if Bastion survives the season because it seems like the plan is to take him alive but I feel like he might still bite it.

Since we're thinking the path we're on is leading to Onslaught, maybe for this version of Onslaught is a combination of Magneto, Charles and Bastion...? (not sure if that makes sense, it just popped in my head)

[Hypestyle]

I guess we'll have to see how this goes and leads into a season 2.


I'm not interested in Onslaught since that normally means that the heroes reborn world gets made, and, since this is an X-Men exclusive show, I'm not sure it's worth exploring if the producers don't have the rights to use a bunch of non-X-Men world characters.

I still want to see a bunch of folks who have either rarely or never been seen on the original 90s show.
The rest of the 80s era New Mutants team. Including folks like Skids.
Iceman. Firestar.
newer characters like Eden Fesi.
folks whose followings have become more prominent since their original introduction like Frenzy and Synch.

If Laura/X-23 shows up, I hope they leave it at that. Adding all the other Wolverine kids/clones is going to get too complicated unless they commission a Wolverine solo animated series. Which should hopefully be on the table.

[90'sCartoonMan]

Blue and Gold! We get two X-Men teams off fighting two very different threats. I liked how they balanced the teams and how they had to delay defeating Magneto until Bastion was taken care of. But that ended up having significant consequences.

I guess even after turning her into a Prime Sentinel, Bastion still loved his mother. Maybe he really thinks turning them into killer robots is the best thing for humanity now. But the tragic irony is that if Professor Xavier had had a chance to mentor Bastion's abilities, instead of his mom trying to make him feel so "normal" and closed off, maybe he wouldn't have ended up like this.

That is pretty sad. Hmm, is Bastion this show's version of Danger?

So with Moira dead (glad Charles acknowledged that) what will be done with Muir Island? Is that going to be the X-Men's base moving forward with the mansion destroyed?

That would be a cool way to change things up for next season.

Anyone who knows their comic history knew what was going to happen the moment they confirmed Wolverine was on the away team to Asteroid M, but they finally adapt one of the most iconic moments in comics...Wolverine stabbing Magneto (!!!) and Magneto ripping the adamantium out of his skin. Are we going to get bone claws Wolverine next week?

Maybe not next week, but that could be a teaser for next season.

I'm more concerned with why Wolverine never considered getting his metal yanked out of him was an option for a pissed-off master of magnetism.

He probably figured he was no more at risk than anyone else fighting Magneto.

Oh I agree, they're being unfair to both and acting like the context for both's actions don't count as mitigating circumstances. But I just chalk it up to can't have to many greys too long in shows like this, back to black and white.

But they can have a lot of Grey-Summers in shows like this.

Like, how many actual humans have we seen (cartoon) Logan actually stab, for all of the gruffness? Robot and monsters I'm sure he goes all out on, but without having watched most of the OG series, going to go out on a limb and guess this might be the first time he's actually stabbed a person. Unless they let him get a shot at someone like Apocalypse or Sabertooth, who we know is easily going to survive it.

Yeah, first time he's been successful, but he does try it a lot. In Juggernaut's first episode, Wolverine went straight for Juggy's eyes.