DCU Movies

[StarSpangledMan]

"Sus" of/for what?
Cranky old creator? Guilty.
If he's become a criminal, I missed it.

Beef with Jack Kirby over creator vs company rights to characters and compensation which led to him portraying Big Barda (based on Kirby's wife) in a highly inappropriate and insulting manner in Action Comics. There is also his negative views on immigrants which bled into his depiction of Superman as being "born" in America, being a proud American/Human, caring little for/denouncing Krypton and his heritage.

Oh and he's a transphobe, just learned about that one.

[Thirteen]

Beef with Jack Kirby over creator vs company rights to characters and compensation which led to him portraying Big Barda (based on Kirby's wife) in a highly inappropriate and insulting manner in Action Comics. There is also his negative views on immigrants which bled into his depiction of Superman as being "born" in America, being a proud American/Human, caring little for/denouncing Krypton and his heritage.

Oh and he's a transphobe, just learned about that one.

Yeah, cranky old creator. I never got the impression that Byrne has reached the level of persona non grata after his behavior over the years, some of it being from the 80s. I would wager that most creators from his generation are going to come up "sus" if examined with any attention. Byrne's just louder.

[StarSpangledMan]

Yeah, cranky old creator. I never got the impression that Byrne has reached the level of persona non grata after his behavior over the years, some of it being from the 80s. I would wager that most creators from his generation are going to come up "sus" if examined with any attention. Byrne's just louder.

That's not cranky old creator behaviour. That's a terrible person. I'd like to think being a good person transcends generational "beliefs."

[j9ac9k]

That's not cranky old creator behaviour. That's a terrible person. I'd like to think being a good person transcends generational "beliefs."

Not speaking about Byrne in particular, but "being a good person" is a moving target from person to person, culture to culture - at any given time, let alone between generations.

[StarSpangledMan]

Not speaking about Byrne in particular, but "being a good person" is a moving target from person to person, culture to culture - at any given time, let alone between generations.

I don't believe so, no. I think there is a fundamental level of empathy, kindness and co-operative nature in every person. Anything else, like bigotry, is learned behaviour and all behaviours can be addressed with self-reflection. But until then I don't think you can call someone who has done/expressed something to wrong/hurt someone, even if they have so many other redeeming qualities, a good person just because it falls within their moral standard or is acceptable within their culture.

That's all I'll say on this, I don't want to derail this thread any further.

[Holt]

When did Aaron write Superman?

[Vordan]

When did Aaron write Superman?

Just did a three issue Bizarro arc on Action. I loved it personally.

[Drako]

Yeah, cranky old creator. I never got the impression that Byrne has reached the level of persona non grata after his behavior over the years, some of it being from the 80s. I would wager that most creators from his generation are going to come up "sus" if examined with any attention. Byrne's just louder.

Just by looking at his quotes on the internet, he comes out more than just a cranky old creator.

https://insidepulse.com/2015/06/13/a...n-jenner-more/

This movie doesn't need the bad PR that Byrne would bring it just by being there.