James Gunn's Superman Coming In 2025

[Prime]

Damn it's both good and bad

[seanholmes20032003]

Do you feel, after the latest news regarding actor Henry Cavil, that the DCEU owes us more than one Superman appearance? For example, I think WB owes us live action movies of Val Zod, Cosmic Superman, Quantum Superman, Soviet Superman, Red Superman, Blue Superman, and Superboy Prime. If Sony can develop an Into the Spiderverse cartoon movie, WB could develop a live action Supermenverse movie. Right?

[manofsteel1979]

Do you feel, after the latest news regarding actor Henry Cavil, that the DCEU owes us more than one Superman appearance? For example, I think WB owes us live action movies of Val Zod, Cosmic Superman, Quantum Superman, Soviet Superman, Red Superman, Blue Superman, and Superboy Prime. If Sony can develop an Into the Spiderverse cartoon movie, WB could develop a live action Supermenverse movie. Right?

They could in theory, but they won't, mainly because up until recent regime shifts, the WB was at best apathetic to Superman and at worse, outright hostile. But they love their Batman!!

Jury is still out about the new regime. They talk a good game. But the way they handled the whole Cavill situation makes me wonder if ultimately at the end of the day if once again the character and franchise of Superman gets screwed again.

It's all down to James Gunn now.

[Vordan]

Do you feel, after the latest news regarding actor Henry Cavil, that the DCEU owes us more than one Superman appearance? For example, I think WB owes us live action movies of Val Zod, Cosmic Superman, Quantum Superman, Soviet Superman, Red Superman, Blue Superman, and Superboy Prime. If Sony can develop an Into the Spiderverse cartoon movie, WB could develop a live action Supermenverse movie. Right?

Zaslav has said he doesn’t want multiple versions of the same character running around. I fully expect that Gunn’s Superman will be the only one to get more than one movie even if the Abrams/Coates project gets made.

What are your predictions on WB's live action Blue Beetle movie, and if it is successful should it be the start of a newly rebooted DCEU?

Not really the thread for that question, you should ask that here: https://community.cbr.com/showthread...988-DCU-Movies

That’s the general DC Films thread.

[GreatKungLao]

https://twitter.com/jamesgunn/status...ZZkJKEGVwPZ3fw


Edit: Cavill officially announces that he is done as Superman.

He is a father in comics and on S&L show, but movies start from the beginning AGAIN... Tired. I can finally be done with DC at this point. Forever close this door and never return. Time to move on. I'm exhausted with all this indecisiveness that plagued DCU and something tells me it will always be a part of this franchise.

[manofsteel1979]

He is a father in comics and on S&L show, but movies start from the beginning AGAIN... Tired. I can finally be done with DC at this point. Forever close this door and never return. Time to move on. I'm exhausted with all this indecisiveness that plagued DCU and something tells me it will always be a part of this franchise.

A part of me feels what you do. I feel bad for Henry. The former people in charge at WB are at fault more than anyone here. After JL they didn't think Superman was good enough to headline another Solo movie but was just fine doing cameos in other films ? Screw that. They had the best actor to play the character since Reeve, an actor who wanted to delve info the character...and they did nothing with him because WB generally didn't seem to like Superman all that much. Screw that and screw Warners. At least the new regime isn't content to let Superman just sit there and rot....time will tell. Still think it was a mistake not to at least do one more film with Henry , a solo Superman film to close out this Era of DC with dignity.a bookend to MOS. Sigh. Oh well.

Also, I'm not all that impressed by the idea of Gunn writing a Superman film. I think I'm the only one on the internet to think Taika Watitti on Thor was a mistake and Ragnarok was a grossly overrated movie. Yeah it was entertaining and put butts in seats, but I feel it misses the whole point of the character and sacrifices him at the alter for the sake of "more color!!!! More laughs!!!! Fun fun fun!!!!! Fun at all costs!!! Yeah, it made a billion dollars and "saved " the Thor franchise...but completely missed the point of the character.

Now, yes, Gunn is not Watitti and it looks like he's just developing the sfory....and I think Gunn is very talented. I love the Guardians franchise and Suicide squad and Peacemaker were fun, but I'm not all that confident he's a good fit to guide the next cinematic Superman. My fear is that Gunn might go too far into irreverence and the drive to make everything not like Snyder and that universe to the point it becomes either yet another Donner repeat or something like Ragnarok with Thor and Watiti where they sacrifice the pathos of the franchise and any sense of drama and integrity in order to play to the masses and get Butts in seats. Nothing wrong with pleasing the crowd and getting butts in seats of course. I just hope in his quest to go opposite of Snyder that he doesn't go too far in the other direction.

I'm trying not to be the angry old man yelling at a cloud. I'm going to try and be hopeful that Gunn will knock it out of the park....but perhaps I'm too jaded to be completely positive.

Oh well...at least it looks like we will at least have four seasons of Superman and Lois.

[manwhohaseverything]

Yeah!i don't see gunn writing donner-esque superman.Pretty sure he isn't interested in that.If that was to be written someone else would have been brought in.This being more of a retooling might be possible.this is the guy that wrote a horror take of superboy..It's gonna be irreverent,clark does the whole dad in the cloud savior shtick who rescues kittens from trees and someone will call him out on it.And I think that will be more up my lane being honest..

Superman fans might not care for it though.it why i prefer gunn writing one of "villains" like manchester black,bloodsport,lobo,terra man..etc.

[Vordan]

Another big positive is that if Gunn is invested in Superman’s corner, that means we stand a good chance of getting more Superman content beyond just the man himself. Maybe we can get another LoSH cartoon or even a proper live action HBO Max show, if they don’t recast Bloodsport he and the new Superman will definitely cross paths again, and we can finally get the cool stuff like a proper Fortress and Krypto!

Jumping the gun I know but imagine Superman getting the HBO Max shows that Batman is getting.

Still think it was a mistake not to at least do one more film with Henry , a solo Superman film to close out this Era of DC with dignity.a bookend to MOS. Sigh. Oh well.

It’s kind of fitting that Cavill ends his tenure as Superman cameoing in a critical/commercial flop meant to set up future stories that are not happening now

Oh well...at least it looks like we will at least have four seasons of Superman and Lois.

Yeah I think S&L will keep going for one more season, ending in time for Gunn’s reboot.

[JAK]

A part of me feels what you do. I feel bad for Henry. The former people in charge at WB are at fault more than anyone here. After JL they didn't think Superman was good enough to headline another Solo movie but was just fine doing cameos in other films ? Screw that. They had the best actor to play the character since Reeve, an actor who wanted to delve info the character...and they did nothing with him because WB generally didn't seem to like Superman all that much. Screw that and screw Warners. At least the new regime isn't content to let Superman just sit there and rot....time will tell. Still think it was a mistake not to at least do one more film with Henry , a solo Superman film to close out this Era of DC with dignity.a bookend to MOS. Sigh. Oh well.

Also, I'm not all that impressed by the idea of Gunn writing a Superman film. I think I'm the only one on the internet to think Taika Watitti on Thor was a mistake and Ragnarok was a grossly overrated movie. Yeah it was entertaining and put butts in seats, but I feel it misses the whole point of the character and sacrifices him at the alter for the sake of "more color!!!! More laughs!!!! Fun fun fun!!!!! Fun at all costs!!! Yeah, it made a billion dollars and "saved " the Thor franchise...but completely missed the point of the character.

Now, yes, Gunn is not Watitti and it looks like he's just developing the sfory....and I think Gunn is very talented. I love the Guardians franchise and Suicide squad and Peacemaker were fun, but I'm not all that confident he's a good fit to guide the next cinematic Superman. My fear is that Gunn might go too far into irreverence and the drive to make everything not like Snyder and that universe to the point it becomes either yet another Donner repeat or something like Ragnarok with Thor and Watiti where they sacrifice the pathos of the franchise and any sense of drama and integrity in order to play to the masses and get Butts in seats. Nothing wrong with pleasing the crowd and getting butts in seats of course. I just hope in his quest to go opposite of Snyder that he doesn't go too far in the other direction.

I'm trying not to be the angry old man yelling at a cloud. I'm going to try and be hopeful that Gunn will knock it out of the park....but perhaps I'm too jaded to be completely positive.

Oh well...at least it looks like we will at least have four seasons of Superman and Lois.

Definitely agree with all of this, too. I will say, after seeing what he did for Harley Quinn (giving her more character growth in 10 minutes what two other whole movies did, imho), I'm willing to give him a shot. I'm kinda sad that they used Starro in TSS, because that would have been a great fit for a new JLA film. So deep cuts and character have me interested.

I agree with "fun at all costs," but I'm willing to see one "fun at all costs" movie squeak through before going "ok, we've reset, now let's do this for real."

[BlackClaw]

Another big positive is that if Gunn is invested in Superman’s corner, that means we stand a good chance of getting more Superman content beyond just the man himself. Maybe we can get another LoSH cartoon or even a proper live action HBO Max show, if they don’t recast Bloodsport he and the new Superman will definitely cross paths again, and we can finally get the cool stuff like a proper Fortress and Krypto!

Jumping the gun I know but imagine Superman getting the HBO Max shows that Batman is getting.

It’s kind of fitting that Cavill ends his tenure as Superman cameoing in a critical/commercial flop meant to set up future stories that are not happening now

Yeah I think S&L will keep going for one more season, ending in time for Gunn’s reboot.

I’m interested in the future of Superman but man I feel gutted for Henry. I just hope he can come back for a NWH style multiverse team up one day.

[GreatKungLao]

A part of me feels what you do. I feel bad for Henry. The former people in charge at WB are at fault more than anyone here. After JL they didn't think Superman was good enough to headline another Solo movie but was just fine doing cameos in other films ? Screw that. They had the best actor to play the character since Reeve, an actor who wanted to delve info the character...and they did nothing with him because WB generally didn't seem to like Superman all that much. Screw that and screw Warners. At least the new regime isn't content to let Superman just sit there and rot....time will tell. Still think it was a mistake not to at least do one more film with Henry , a solo Superman film to close out this Era of DC with dignity.a bookend to MOS. Sigh. Oh well.

Also, I'm not all that impressed by the idea of Gunn writing a Superman film. I think I'm the only one on the internet to think Taika Watitti on Thor was a mistake and Ragnarok was a grossly overrated movie. Yeah it was entertaining and put butts in seats, but I feel it misses the whole point of the character and sacrifices him at the alter for the sake of "more color!!!! More laughs!!!! Fun fun fun!!!!! Fun at all costs!!! Yeah, it made a billion dollars and "saved " the Thor franchise...but completely missed the point of the character.

Now, yes, Gunn is not Watitti and it looks like he's just developing the sfory....and I think Gunn is very talented. I love the Guardians franchise and Suicide squad and Peacemaker were fun, but I'm not all that confident he's a good fit to guide the next cinematic Superman. My fear is that Gunn might go too far into irreverence and the drive to make everything not like Snyder and that universe to the point it becomes either yet another Donner repeat or something like Ragnarok with Thor and Watiti where they sacrifice the pathos of the franchise and any sense of drama and integrity in order to play to the masses and get Butts in seats. Nothing wrong with pleasing the crowd and getting butts in seats of course. I just hope in his quest to go opposite of Snyder that he doesn't go too far in the other direction.

I'm trying not to be the angry old man yelling at a cloud. I'm going to try and be hopeful that Gunn will knock it out of the park....but perhaps I'm too jaded to be completely positive.

Oh well...at least it looks like we will at least have four seasons of Superman and Lois.

I'm completely on board with you regarding Waititi's Thor. This is what I'm scared the most about is that Superman is going to be Ragnaroked. As a fan of Thor I was, in some way, offended by that movie. Knowing James Gunn's sense of humor I can already imagine him writing a dialogue for Lois where she asks if everything on him is made of steel while looking at Superman's crotch.

[bat39]

RIP Henry Cavill's Superman

WB failed him. Not Snyder. Not Cavill. Not even Joss Whedon (Superman was easily the best part of his JL cut). But the higher-ups at WB who didn't see fit to greenlight an MOS sequel for the last half-decade.

Moving on...I like what I hear about Gunn's Superman movie so far. I've long felt he might be the best person for the job. And I think a 'Year 2 Superman' movie (much like Reeves' Year 2 Batman movie) might be just what is needed right now to introduce a new iteration of the character without rehashing what we've already seen. Morrison's Action Comics run is an obvious touchstone, but I hope Gunn also takes inspiration from Birthright and American Alien. And maybe even the original Siegal/Shuster Superman and the Fleischer cartoons.

At least it looks like Gunn and Safran are going to get him a new role in the new DCU (I guess that rumor about Momoa being Lobo is true). I’m fucking ecstatic personally, at least we’re finally free of Snyder. Gunn has at least read some comic books, maybe now there’s a chance we can get some Superman Rogues other than Lex or Zod. Hell Gunn is close with Morrison, maybe he’ll be adapting parts of Morrison’s Action Comics run!

Might be far-fetched but this potential new role for Cavill...maybe it could simply be Superman, but not the mainstream version? I'm talking something like Kingdom Come Superman or an Earth 2 Superman.

Definitely seems like taking some ideas from Morrison's run would be right up Gunn's alley, with the early Golden Age inspiration and street level feel (before the Vyndktvx stuff got into full swing). I have a hard time imagining how that wouldn't be a hit in today's climate.

Morrison's first arc is perfect for an 'early Superman' story that's not an origin. It starts with Superman as a street-level hero, a vigilante and 'Champion of the Oppressed'. But then he fights Metallo and Brainiac shows up, and he has to transition to being a superhero defending earth.

I want Clark to go through a similar arc to what Bruce went through in Reeves' Batman. A Year 2 story, as Reeves famously said.

[HsssH]

I'm glad that some people are happy about this, but this is definitely is not for me. After few years will be fun to read people complaining about how Lobo upstaged Superman in his own movie.

[Mantis-Ray]

Well this entire thing was a waste of fucking time for Cavill. I feel for him and hopes he gets something good soon to make up for losing Superman and Geralt.

Gunn's movie though. Okay I'm interested, he is actually able to write personable charming characters which is something Superman desperately needs. Not sure if he hasn't written a raunchy black comedy but fuck he seems to be taking this seriously at least.

[manofsteel1979]

I'm completely on board with you regarding Waititi's Thor. This is what I'm scared the most about is that Superman is going to be Ragnaroked. As a fan of Thor I was, in some way, offended by that movie. Knowing James Gunn's sense of humor I can already imagine him writing a dialogue for Lois where she asks if everything on him is made of steel while looking at Superman's crotch.

Good lord. That's the stuff of my nightmares of what a James Gunn Written Superman could go. Yikes.

I would hope to God that either Gunn realizes that we don't need that type of Superman film nor whomever is hired to direct looks at that sort of thing and would temper Gunn 's worst impulses to go in that direction. If Gunn writes AND directs....I'm worried.

I love the goofy but with a heart Guardians films, I liked the hyper violent but goofy and weird Peacemaker series...but I hope Gunn is able to taper his natural inclination to be ....well, James Gunn, at least for this film that is going to set the tone of not only Superman going forward but possibly the DCU itself. There's a chance all the DCU films end up just fluffy action/comedies which is frankly what a big chunk of the Marvel films have become. From a business end I can understand why DC/Warners/Discovery would want to go that route because of the Billions Marvel makes, and I could very well see Gunn thinking that's what both his bosses and the general audience wants and go in that direction.

I understand that Zack Snyder went too far in the other direction in being overly reverent to the point of being pretentious with MOS, BvS and his Justice League. I get being overly serious and not allowing some color and humor turned too many people off who expected breezy fun entertainment they were getting elsewhere, but there's a danger in "Ragnarok-ing it"....and I hope Gunn is able to restrain himself from putting his own "stamp " on Superman and the DC franchise as a whole and serve the character first and foremost.

Time will tell and maybe all ot this worrying will be over nothing and Gunn will have written a Superman movie that pleased the audiences at large, please us comic nerds and lay a foundation to a flourishing Superman franchise and DCU. I'm certainly hoping for the later and I will for now hope Gunn knows what he's doing.