All purpose news and politics thread part VII: News & Politics Total Landscaping

[hyped78]

That you should go back and watch the information provided as it directly addresses much of what you are asking.

There is no quick solution to an ongoing problem -- best just to identify the root issues and adapt with them as they evolve.

I know but the second sentence there is a bit vague/ can be applied to anything. That's why I was asking.

I'll keep an eye out for your future posts/ links

[hyped78]

Warmongering is a Republican habit -- that Trump avoided what Bush abused to no end just further proves that Trump can't be blamed for all of the Republican party's problems, whether domestic or abroad.

I think this is more an external factor of what's happening around the world at a given time:

"If we consider the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Gulf War, the war in Afghanistan and the Iraq War, Trump joins Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, Richard Nixon, John F. Kennedy and Dwight D. Eisenhower in not having officially brought the United States into a new war since 1945.
More conservatively, if we consider these five wars as well as other military operations listed above, the presidents who have not started a new war or been involved in escalating or starting a new military operation would include Trump (if we consider action in Syria an extension to the Obama administration’s presence), Carter and Ford."

Fact check by Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...idUSKBN2A22SN/

A similar fact check by USA Today: "Trump... Carter, Ford and Nixon all served after Eisenhower and did not bring the country into new wars."

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/f...ar/6086636002/

[Dalak]

People who vote for Trump do so mostly for one simple reason---HATE. Trump hates the same people (minorities, immigrants, gays) they hate, that's why they love him so much, that's why their support of him is so unwavering. Speaking of racism, I found this little gem on X/Twitter:

Ramaswamy Hails Ann Coulter for Telling Him ‘Flat-Out to My Face’ She Wouldn’t Vote for Him Because He’s ‘An Indian’

MAN Coulter said the quiet part out loud. You can't tell me other right wingers don't feel the exact same way but didn't have the balls to come out and actually say what Coulter did. Welcome to the Qpublican Party, Vivek!

While Man Coulter jokes seem a bit out of touch nowadays, the point remains valid. And I'm reminded how I watched Kung Pow Enter the Fist again for the amusement and found so much stuff dated, but the instant acceptance of "Betty" by everyone but the main character was kind of refreshing even if it was played up as a joke.

Back to it: Trump has given so many people free reign to be their worst selves, and they want no one to call them out on it or hold them accountable.

Everything he says about it is in conditional case because he first says that it is a bad and racist thing. I don't see what there is NOT to get, frankly.

Yeah, it was clearly not a serious suggestion, and it seems to have been leapt upon as an excuse to fight or make it out like it was a serious suggestion.

The pivot to an "AI" company is not going as planned.

It couldn't happen to a nicer guy. I'm more moved by the employees that'll be fired in response.

The impetus should be on Republicans not to engage in racist political tactics to win elections -- not to ask for more from black voters.

Agreed, conservatives not calling out racist, bigoted, lying behavior hasn't helped the conservative cause. They need to actually speak out about these things and support the ones who fight back against this sort of behavior if they ever want prominent conservatives to stop doing it.

The Republican effort to suppress the vote is much easier to address directly -- ultimately voters are responsible for their own choices.

The same applies to Republicans who keep electing leaders who traffic in white supremacy, sexism and homophobia -- even more so given Trump's nomination and support over more reasonable candidates.

Republican judicial efforts to dilute and disenfranchise said voters need to be addressed for those votes to even matter in the first place.

More voting matters little when the influence of those votes is limited by Republican policy.

All of this would be avoided if Republicans simply nominated ethical political leaders who did not use white Christian nationalism as the foundation of their political platform.

And as both Biden and Obama are practicing Christians who do not engage in homophobia and bigotry or attack a woman's right to choose it clearly is primarily about white nationalism.

There is no excuse for disenfranchising voters in a democracy -- which is exactly why many conservatives talk around the topic rather than address it directly.

There are many avenues that must be taken to ensure that Trump and whoever rises up to champion what he's allowed the GoP to openly become. Getting out the dem votes, fighting against voter disenfranchisement and other attempts to block legal votes, and holding conservatives responsible for their words & deeds (Both Legally & Socially). This hateful, lying behavior wasn't tolerated in polite society and so people felt uncomfortable when they indulged in it, and nowadays conservatives are trying to eliminate the ability to make them feel shame over their actions or even educate kids in a way that might make them feel guilty about what past people did. CRT, DEI, LGBTQ+ Education, all of it encourages people to not treat others badly because they are different than them and to treat them as equally as you'd expect others to treat you. AKA The Golden Rule.

Or you could just skip the test and do it directly via legislation.

Like Republicans.

As I said above, the Test Talk is a distraction based on something that was clearly never meant to be taken seriously.

Majority of Americans feel that the economy is in the crapper. Good thing Biden is keeping Amtrak running though.

Nothing about the Corporate Greed which Biden brought up in your link, the same thing that's been brought up on these forums multiple times for months now? Nope, any good news or revealing context shown in an interview with Biden is to be ignored to make a point about how Biden = Bad.

As crazy as Trump can be, I still think he might consider naming his daughter as his VP. After Pence, I doubt he would trust anyone else.

That would require her to be around him more often, with all the creepy connotations that brings to mind.

[hyped78]

Yeah, it was clearly not a serious suggestion, and it seems to have been leapt upon as an excuse to fight or make it out like it was a serious suggestion.

As I said above, the Test Talk is a distraction based on something that was clearly never meant to be taken seriously.

The suggestion might not be serious (so it's effectively worthless!!!) but the poster doubled down on subsequent posts (e.g. #5629) saying that white males bla bla are more likely to fail a civics test than other folks. Your bias is your bias.

[Tami]

Apparently Israel (aka Netanyahu) is pretty angry with President Biden.

[Dalak]

The suggestion might not be serious (so it's effectively worthless!!!) but the poster doubled down on subsequent posts (e.g. #5629) saying that white males bla bla are more likely to fail a civics test than other folks. Your bias is your bias.

I'm a regular old self-hating victim of White Guilt, you are so right that zinderel & I are racists.

/s

Stop trying to pick a fight.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Majority of Americans feel that the economy is in the crapper. Good thing Biden is keeping Amtrak running though.

Oh, and do those people who were polled think things will improve under Trump who's perhaps the world's most failed businessman, a knucklehead who bankrupted casinos for God's sake and ballooned the deficit with those tax breaks he gave the wealthy in 2017? Give me a freaking break!

As crazy as Trump can be, I still think he might consider naming his daughter as his VP. After Pence, I doubt he would trust anyone else.

My thoughts exactly. People who think Trump WOULDN'T give Ivanka the nod for his running mate haven't been paying attention all these years.

Apparently Israel (aka Netanyahu) is pretty angry with President Biden.

Boo effing hoo! About time someone held Netenyahu accountable for his actions.

[hyped78]

I'm a regular old self-hating victim of White Guilt, you are so right that zinderel & I are racists.

/s

Stop trying to pick a fight.

I don't think I called you a racist or anything remotely linked to that, by any stretch of the imagination? (but then it's others trying to pick a fight...)

I'm not trying to pick a fight. This is a forum, I commented on a post. We should move on.

Everyone should be allowed to vote. Profiling races on whether they are more likely/less likely to pass a civics test (note: without providing any data or reference for that) sounds a biiiiiit racist. Sarcasm should be clever, especially when touching on sensitive topics.

[zinderel]

It's called satire. Maybe not the most clever satire, but satire nevertheless.

To be fair, it wasn’t MEANT as a clever statement. It was sarcasm borne of bitternes and frustration at the state of the world. It was meant as an exaggeration of a point to make a point. The only reason I brought up Swift at all was because of the literal reaction to an obviously unserious illustration.

Hyped got butthurt and decided to throw a hissy fit and assume I’m a straight, anti-white racist, and then has steadfastly refused to acknowledge that he was flat out wrong in his assumption of racism. He can’t find the nerve to simply apologize for leaping to accusations.

That’s all there is to it.

I'm a regular old self-hating victim of White Guilt, you are so right that zinderel & I are racists.

/s

Stop trying to pick a fight.

Is he still going on about my being a ‘racist’ because he doesn’t understand sarcasm? Sad.

Meanwhile, it looks like we’ve finished building the temporary pier in Gaza that’ll allow aid to flow to the refugees, and the first aid shipment is on its way. I certainly hope it’s allowed to actually provide aid to the civilians, as intended, without Hamas raiding it before it can get to the people who need it, again (or Israel blowing it up, again).

[hyped78]

To be fair, it wasn’t MEANT as a clever statement. It was sarcasm borne of bitternes and frustration at the state of the world. It was meant as an exaggeration of a point to make a point. The only reason I brought up Swift at all was because of the literal reaction to an obviously unserious illustration.

Hyped got butthurt and decided to throw a hissy fit and assume I’m a straight, anti-white racist, and then has steadfastly refused to acknowledge that he was flat out wrong in his assumption of racism. He can’t find the nerve to simply apologize for leaping to accusations.

That’s all there is to it.

Is he still going on about my being a ‘racist’ because he doesn’t understand sarcasm? Sad.

I understand clever sarcasm. That's a very important distinction!

Because if it's not clever sarcasm then what is it? hmmmm

[zinderel]

Apparently Israel (aka Netanyahu) is pretty angry with President Biden.

I mean, of course he is. Biden has publicly distanced himself from Netanyahu’s efforts at genocide. How dare he!

Oh, and do those people who were polled think things will improve under Trump who's perhaps the world's most failed businessman, a knucklehead who bankrupted casinos for God's sake and ballooned the deficit with those tax breaks he gave the wealthy in 2017? Give me a freaking break!

My thoughts exactly. People who think Trump WOULDN'T give Ivanka the nod for his running mate haven't been paying attention all these years.

Boo effing hoo! About time someone held Netenyahu accountable for his actions.

The people polled clearly don’t care if the world gets better for them as long as it gets worse for the ‘coloreds, Jews, queers, and bitches’. That much is obvious by their voting record. They are supporting Trump for the same reason they support White Power Jesus: he hates the same people they do. Period

As for Ivanka, we all know that if he could get away with it, Trump would just make her his fourth wife. So VP isn’t any sort of stretch for a narcissistic persimmon-skinned dolt like him.

And clearly we agree about Bibi. Lol.

[Dalak]

I don't think I called you a racist or anything remotely linked to that, by any stretch of the imagination? (but then it's others trying to pick a fight...)

I'm not trying to pick a fight. This is a forum, I commented on a post. We should move on.

Everyone should be allowed to vote. Profiling races on whether they are more likely/less likely to pass a civics test (note: without providing any data or reference for that) sounds a biiiiiit racist. Sarcasm should be clever, especially when touching on sensitive topics.

"Your bias is your bias" = You are biased against white people like 'that poster' = You are racist. It's not hard to put together, nor is not using the word racist an excuse for accusing someone of being racially biased without evidence

You could have left it alone an moved on as you suggested here, and you've chosen not to.

To be fair, it wasn’t MEANT as a clever statement. It was sarcasm borne of bitternes and frustration at the state of the world. It was meant as an exaggeration of a point to make a point. The only reason I brought up Swift at all was because of the literal reaction to an obviously unserious illustration.

Hyped got butthurt and decided to throw a hissy fit and assume I’m a straight, anti-white racist, and then has steadfastly refused to acknowledge that he was flat out wrong in his assumption of racism. He can’t find the nerve to simply apologize for leaping to accusations.

That’s all there is to it.

Is he still going on about my being a ‘racist’ because he doesn’t understand sarcasm? Sad.

Meanwhile, it looks like we’ve finished building the temporary pier in Gaza that’ll allow aid to flow to the refugees, and the first aid shipment is on its way. I certainly hope it’s allowed to actually provide aid to the civilians, as intended, without Hamas raiding it before it can get to the people who need it, again (or Israel blowing it up, again).

I'm glad for the pier, but I expect it will soon be caught up in some attack that makes it unusable. I can't predict who without wild speculation & Conspiracy Brain, but I expect it within a week.

[zinderel]

I understand clever sarcasm. That's a very important distinction!

Because if it's not clever sarcasm then what is it? hmmmm

*pats your head*

Aww, that’s okay. I know. It’s way easier to keep insulting and lashing out than it is to admit you were - and continue to be - entirely, completely, blatantly wrong.

[zinderel]

"Your bias is your bias" = You are biased against white people like 'that poster' = You are racist. It's not hard to put together, nor is not using the word racist an excuse for accusing someone of being racially biased without evidence

You could have left it alone an moved on as you suggested here, and you've chosen not to.



I'm glad for the pier, but I expect it will soon be caught up in some attack that makes it unusable. I can't predict who without wild speculation & Conspiracy Brain, but I expect it within a week.

Sadly, same. I hope pessimism brain is wrong. I hope that this aid shipment - and Biden declaring no more weapons to Israel if they’re gonna keep using them to deliberately kill civilians - MIGHT be a turning point. I just can’t be terribly confident about it.

I guess we’ll see what happens…

[hyped78]

*pats your head*

Aww, that’s okay. I know. It’s way easier to keep insulting and lashing out than it is to admit you were - and continue to be - entirely, completely, blatantly wrong.

So, look, do you think that white cis het males are more likely to flunk a civics test than the rest of the population or not? And, if so, where's the evidence for that assertion? (evidence/data isn't the same as an opinion, btw)