All purpose news and politics thread part VII: News & Politics Total Landscaping

[aja_christopher]

The support is undeniable, but I'm surprised that there was a drop in 4% between Hillary and Biden (94% to 90%) - but this doesn't take into account actual participation numbers, right? (more/less black women voting)

As in: could it be that there was a slight drop of 4% but actually more black women voted in 2020 than in 2016 and so the net effect might even be positive?

I'm asking/thinking about this because obviously this is quite important in 2024.

The blunt reality is that "black" voters should not have to be counted on to save American democracy from the abyss.

The increasing number of black, brown and Asian political leaders (Obama, Sotomayor, Kamala, etc) also should not be ignored in terms of represenation.

And your point about racism against white men is understood -- no one should feel that they are discriminated against by their government or because of their background.

In America however nearly all of the data indicates that being a "white male" is a net positive with regards to racism and discrimination.

[hyped78]

The blunt reality is that "black" voters should not have to be counted on to save American democracy from the abyss.

The increasing number of black, brown and Asian political leaders (Obama, Sotomoyor, Kamala, etc) also should not be ignored in terms of represenation.

And your point about racism against white men is understood -- no one should feel that they are discriminated against by their government or because of their background.

In America however nearly all of the data indicates that being a "white male" is a net positive with regards to racism and discrimination.

I know, but you know better than me that the more black voters in swing states stay at home in November, the more likely it would be that you get MAGA for 4 more years. Biden needs to run up the number of black voters.

"no one should feel that they are discriminated against by their government or because of their background" - yes, this is exactly my point. Democrats represent inclusion. The "us vs. them" mentality is represented by the extremists to divide people.

"nearly all of the data indicates that being a "white male" is a net positive with regards to racism and discrimination" - of course, I know that.

[aja_christopher]

I know, but you know better than me that the more black voters in swing states stay at home in November, the more likely it would be that you get MAGA for 4 more years. Biden needs to run up the number of black voters.

No -- Americans need to stop voting for racist criminal fascists.



Your point is understood but in the end this is about personal responsibility in the age of information -- people know what Trump is and if they still vote for him then that is on them.

It's important to note that America would not even be in this position if it had two ethically viable candidates -- but Republicans haven't understood that principle since at least before Nixon.

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"Richard Nixon's racism and bigotry are well-established, largely due to the approximately 3,432 hours of secret recordings he made during his presidency. The Miller Center began its Presidential Recordings Program in 1998 to make accessible these and other once-secret White House tapes, which continue to offer insights about not only Nixon but also the many individuals of the era who are featured in the recordings -- including Ronald Reagan, then governor of California...."

https://millercenter.org/the-preside...nixon-and-race

[hyped78]

No -- Americans need to stop voting for racist criminal fascists.

Your point is understood but in the end this is about personal responsibility in the age of information -- people know what Trump is and if they still vote for him then that is on them.

Of course, I agree with you. But the priority is to ensure that Trump doesn't win again.

The rest, the change that needs to happen that you allude to, is a slow moving thing, it will probably take decades to get there (if the US ever gets there, I am not optimistic...) - November 2024 is right around the corner

"the age of information" - by the way, I think the age of information swings both ways. It allows people to be much better informed, but it also allows for the easy dissemination of fake news and hate content, e.g. accounts like Libs of Tik Tok didn't have a platform to spread crap 15, 20 years ago

[aja_christopher]

Of course, I agree with you. But the priority is to ensure that Trump doesn't win again.

Depends on your perspective -- a reckoning is due regardless.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

No -- Americans need to stop voting for racist criminal fascists.



Your point is understood but in the end this is about personal responsibility in the age of information -- people know what Trump is and if they still vote for him then that is on them.

It's important to note that America would not even be in this position if it had two ethically viable candidates -- but Republicans haven't understood that principle since at least before Nixon.

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"Richard Nixon's racism and bigotry are well-established, largely due to the approximately 3,432 hours of secret recordings he made during his presidency. The Miller Center began its Presidential Recordings Program in 1998 to make accessible these and other once-secret White House tapes, which continue to offer insights about not only Nixon but also the many individuals of the era who are featured in the recordings -- including Ronald Reagan, then governor of California...."

https://millercenter.org/the-preside...nixon-and-race

People who vote for Trump do so mostly for one simple reason---HATE. Trump hates the same people (minorities, immigrants, gays) they hate, that's why they love him so much, that's why their support of him is so unwavering. Speaking of racism, I found this little gem on X/Twitter:

Ramaswamy Hails Ann Coulter for Telling Him ‘Flat-Out to My Face’ She Wouldn’t Vote for Him Because He’s ‘An Indian’

MAN Coulter said the quiet part out loud. You can't tell me other right wingers don't feel the exact same way but didn't have the balls to come out and actually say what Coulter did. Welcome to the Qpublican Party, Vivek!

[hyped78]

MAN Coulter said the quiet part out loud. You can't tell me other right wingers don't feel the exact same way but didn't have the balls to come out and actually say what Coulter did. Welcome to the Qpublican Party, Vivek!

Wow, how ironic is that for Vivek? And for others like e.g. Tim Scott

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Wow, how ironic is that for Vivek? And for others like e.g. Tim Scott

Don't get me started on Tim Scott whom I despise because he and others of his ilk betrayed their race to graze on the Qpublican plantation. There's a term to describe that cretin whom, of late, has been shamelessly slurping Trump like there's no tomorrow in the nonexistent hope of being considered for the VP position, but, using that term would get me banned from here in a heartbeat.

[hyped78]

Don't get me started on Tim Scott whom I despise because he and others of his ilk betrayed their race to graze on the Qpublican plantation. There's a term to describe that cretin whom, of late, has been shamelessly slurping Trump like there's no tomorrow in the nonexistent hope of being considered for the VP position, but, using that term would get me banned from here in a heartbeat.

We also a have term here in the UK for that, I don’t know if it’s the same as over there - but, same as you, can’t say it

Tim Scott’s campaigning for Trump is like Lindsey Graham’s - they look like two poodles, drooling and eagerly hoping to please their owner

[aja_christopher]

There are also much larger issues at play than just Trump -- this is an ongoing concentrated conservative effort to overthrow the foundations of American democracy.

The overturning of Roe vs. Wade and the elimination of the Voting Rights Act did not begin -- and will not end -- with Trump.

[hyped78]

There are also much larger issues at play than just Trump -- this is a concentrated conservative effort to overthrow the foundations of American democracy.

And that's why they must be stopped. People should go out and vote and vote for Biden rather than doing "Uncommitted" protest votes, or voting for RFK Jr/Cornel West/Jill Stein, or even not vote at all...

The woman in numberthirty's video (and, again, the video shows an anecdote but not a trend/data), if she doesn't vote for Biden in November, in the end she's just hurting herself.

You know the MAGA mob are gonna show up and vote, so Dems need their base - which is composed of all races - to show up and vote, to counter that and hopefully win the election.

I know it doesn't stop with Trump, but at this very moment the short-term goal is to stop Trump. The next day will be the next day...