All purpose news and politics thread part VII: News & Politics Total Landscaping

[aja_christopher]

I'm not seeing what you are referring to in any news feed. Got a link to anything?

[The Cool Thatguy]

Describing Japan as 'insular' would be kind.

As for India, them guys tried to kill a man within our borders. They are not entitled to any rose colored glasses on our part.

[The Cool Thatguy]

I wish Biden hadn't insulted Japan and India like that. He'd better find a way to apologize; the Japanese at least seem upset. I thought we were well done with that when Trump got deep sixed, but no, Biden's doing it too. As President, you just have to choose your words carefully, Obama and even Bush the Lesser understood that, neither Trump nor Biden gets it.

India still owes us for the BS they tried to send an assassin into our country.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...aw-sikhs-modi/

[aja_christopher]

Polite Republican conservatives showing respect to opposing opinions.

[numberthirty]

Youth vote.

You'd best ask them how they feel about what the Palestinians are going through before you start counting those chickens.

[numberthirty]

Describing Japan as 'insular' would be kind.

As for India, them guys tried to kill a man within our borders. They are not entitled to any rose colored glasses on our part.

While that's true, what Biden said is still counterproductive.

[aja_christopher]

You'd best ask them how they feel about what the Palestinians are going through before you start counting those chickens.

No chickens were counted -- it's a comedy sketch.

Did you count all the chickens each time you claimed Democrats would lose elections and they won by record margins -- you have to be about 1-12 at this point with regards to predictions.

Based on actual history, outside of Hillary Clinton (who received three million more votes) going against what you suggest is usually the key to Democratic victory.

And it's notable that you ignored the Republicans chanting monkey noises at a black protester and focused instead on attacking Democrats.

Just something to keep in mind the next time you claim to be "concerned" about black voters -- while criticizing Democrats and not Republicans.

[numberthirty]

No chickens were counted -- it's a comedy sketch.

Did you count all the chickens each time you claimed Democrats would lose elections and they won by record margins -- you have to be about 1-12 at this point with regards to predictions.

Based on actual history, outside of Hillary Clinton (who won by three million votes) going against what you suggest is usually the key to Democratic victory.

And it's notable that you ignored the Republicans chanting monkey noises at the black woman and focused instead on attacking Democrats.

Just something to keep in mind the next time you claim to be "concerned" about black voters.

While I do get that most of the regulars in this thread are squarely "There Are Only Two Sides..." and "Versus..."?

That was nothing like an "Attack..."

It was a simple statement of basic fact. There have only been a few times that I can think of that will be as complicated as the current day when it comes to convincing young voters to support the Democratic party.

There are reasons that they should, but they also clearly see reasons that they should not. That much is plain as day.

[aja_christopher]

While I do get that most of the regulars in this thread are squarely "There Are Only Two Sides..." and "Versus..."?

That was nothing like an "Attack..."

It was a simple statement of basic fact. There have only been a few times that I can think of that will be as complicated as the current day when it comes to convincing young voters to support the Democratic party.

There are reasons that they should, but they also clearly see reasons that they should not. That much is plain as day.

The Palestinian issue is a completely different topic from marijuana legalization.

It has nothing to do with "two sides" and everything with ignoring Republican racism and bigotry and attacking Democrats by any means necessary.

Biden is doing what he can about Palestine as we speak -- that changes nothing about the fact that you ignore Republican racism to focus on attacking Democrats.

You literally overlooked Republicans shouting monkey sounds at a black protestor to take a shot at Democrats over something that may be adequately resolved by election day.



That is not the behavior of a Democratic ally and you have yet to explain why you think it is acceptable to overlook racism -- no matter what the source.

Truth be told -- said behavior is exactly why many "minorities" feel like many Americans are fine with white supremacy and white nationalism.

While that's true, what Biden said is still counterproductive.

Not if it results in honest dialogue or needed change.

It wasn't counter-productive for other nations to tell us that the Trump administration was xenophobic -- if it's true then it should be addressed directly.

Conversely, one could argue that it was counter-productive for Reagan to ignore South African apartheid -- unless you support white nationalism, which he did.

It's fair to say that Biden sometimes lacks tact but it makes more sense to judge him by results -- better to befriend someone who speaks out plainly than someone who pretends to be your ally but is not.

[numberthirty]

The Palestinian issue is a completely different topic from marijuana legalization.

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To you? I guess?

If young voters see it that way and will not be basing their vote(assuming they do not just decide that neither of the big two will be getting their vote...) on both of those issues?

I don't know that I have seen anything that clearly suggest that.

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Not if it results in honest dialogue or needed change.

It wasn't counter-productive for other nations to tell us that the Trump administration was xenophobic -- if it's true then it should be addressed directly.

Conversely, one could argue that it was counter-productive for Reagan to ignore South American apartheid -- unless you support white nationalism, which he did.

How many times has calling someone "Xenophobic..." resulted in either?

[aja_christopher]

To you? I guess??

They are factually two separate issues -- not everyone who supports marijuana legalization is concerned about Palestine.

But as was stated before -- there is no point in having a dialogue with someone who cares only about their own concerns.

How many times has calling someone "Xenophobic..." resulted in either?

"Since 2018, Trump has endured a string of losses that should bury the idea that Trump somehow defies gravity in politics and business. The latest legal judgment against him, a gigantic $355 million fine for business fraud in New York state, could threaten the entire enterprise Trump’s father Fred established in the 1920s if it survives an appeal. More setbacks seem likely. Trump faces 91 criminal charges in four separate cases and has astronomical legal bills. While he’s cruising to the Republican presidential nomination, and even leading the Democratic contender, President Joe Biden, in some polls, Trump is also amassing a record as a serial loser. Seven prominent examples:

The 2018 midterm elections. Voter disgust with Trump in the second year of his presidency helped Democrats flip 40 seats and recapture the House of Representatives from Trump’s Republican party. While it’s normal for the president’s party to lose ground in the midterms, exit polls in 2018 revealed unusually high levels of opposition to Trump, which fueled record turnout. Control of the House allowed Democrats to block Trump’s legislative agenda for the last two years of his presidency.

The 2020 presidential election. Trump was the first incumbent to lose a reelection bid since George H. W. Bush in 1992.

The 2020 Senate race. Control of the Senate in the 2020 election came down to two runoff races in Georgia that weren’t concluded until early January 2021. Two Democratic challengers ended up beating two incumbent Republicans, an improbable Hollywood ending for Democrats that gave them a one-vote majority and control of both houses of Congress. Many analysts, including Republicans, blamed Trump’s election denialism and his squabbling with fellow Republicans for the Georgia Senate losses. Those two Senate seats allowed Democrats to pass a huge stimulus bill in 2021 and a massive set of green energy incentives in 2022 that never would have happened had Republicans kept control of the Senate.

The 2022 midterms. Trump endorsed a variety of Republicans in 2022, including many incumbents with no chance of losing. In competitive races, however, most of Trump’s choices lost, including Senate candidates Herschel Walker in Georgia, Mehmet Oz in Pennsylvania, and Blake Masters in Arizona, allowing Democrats to keep the Senate. Republicans did win control of the House, but just barely, with Democrats overperforming. Once again, exit polls showed that Trump’s involvement hurt Republicans. The GOP’s tiny majority set the stage for the defenestration of House Speaker Kevin McCarthy last October — and the subsequent paralysis that Joe Biden is now exploiting in his reelection campaign."

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/7-tru...195434518.html

[Zelena]

Prior to the Biden Admin’s statement on the matter next week, it might be worth reading this independent analysis of the actions of the current Israeli-Palestinian situation.

https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-cont...rt-_-Final.pdf

I wish the US officials would repeat ad nauseam:

Civilians and civilian objects must not be the object of attack.

I haven’t read the whole text, I don’t know if they counted the indirect victims, the ones dying from the destruction of civilian facilities like supply of drinking water…

[Zelena]

I wish Biden hadn't insulted Japan and India like that. He'd better find a way to apologize; the Japanese at least seem upset. I thought we were well done with that when Trump got deep sixed, but no, Biden's doing it too. As President, you just have to choose your words carefully, Obama and even Bush the Lesser understood that, neither Trump nor Biden gets it.

Biden is a consummate politician, though… If he makes a slip, I consider it’s the effects of age.

[CaptainEurope]

While that's true, what Biden said is still counterproductive.

I think it is good to say this out loud, but it would be better said by Blinken. In my country, Baerbock is much more likely to criticize other countries for things like that than Scholz is.

[CaptainEurope]

They are factually two separate issues -- not everyone who supports marijuana legalization is concerned about Palestine.

Things I have seen protesters claim:

- There is no disability fairness without a free Palestine.

- Climate change cannot be stopped without a free Palestine.


Not sure looking like clowns is productive in saving lives in Gaza.