Mr. & Mrs. X: The Gambit and Rogue Appreciation 2024

[Nox Noctes]

Oooh interesting. So his death is maintained, but he's able to cut through the rage of his altered form due to the time looping. Very cool theory.

[Sparta]

Thanks Purp and Nox, I'd be glad if even 10% of this stuff would happen...but a lot of wishful thinking. I know Mystique is supposed be around, and I do think she's that mysterious woman at Remy's funeral. I'll see if I can throw her into a theory, it'll involve Rogue and Nightcrawler, but possibly Gambit as well.

Presumably if it is a time loop then it means it is being experienced over and over again by one or more people until some condition is met that breaks the time loop.

That would explain Cable saying not again as he is stuck in the time loop and keeps trying to figure out how to break out of it. First he tried to prevent the whole thing but that evidently isn't working so now has moved on to trying to stop Bastion after the fact.

I wonder if Bishop is the key to breaking the loop as we haven't seen him yet or know what he has been up to. Perhaps it is he and Cable reuniting and peacing their experiences together that gives them the clue to how to break it.

As for Gambit I wonder if his becoming Deathbit is not immediate but perhaps teased due to the trauma of having memories of his death even after the loop is broken and he is presumably saved. That echo of a death once lived haunts him in some way.

I like this, if they were to do Deathbit, I'd rather it be earned, a nice build-up through the second season. Rather than suddenly.

[Nox Noctes]

Definitely possible re: Gambit being revived, but having a latent death persona that comes out later.

[Sparta]

So time travel is out, but time looping is in? I just can't with this show anymore. lol

I guess the simplest answer would be:

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Cable finds the best path for Gold Team to defeat Sinister and Bastion.

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My wild speculation answer would be:

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Cable resets everything post Genosha. This would keep Gambit's sacrifice intact, Storm still gets her powers back, Xavier still heads to Earth, and Magneto is still pissed but hasn't killed thousands of people yet. If Cable rallies the X-Men to Genosha quick enough, then astral plane could be on the table for Gambit. I stand by that their dialogue in Xtreme and their character arcs this season work way too well to be a coincidence. Gambit might have only died because he thought Rogue chose Magneto and was more accepting of his death. After this weeks' episode, you can erase everything Rogue did after Genosha. Her going back to Magneto is taking it way too far. The only thing that would get erased would be what happened to Wolverine. I guess it could still happen in Season 2 to set up Onslaught. Then again, they might just skip it entirely. I think Magneto/Acolytes and Onslaught are still the main villains in S2 so it can go either way. Magneto getting Exodus and co. together would make sense after spending this season with the X-Men, realizing that he can't achieve his dream alone.

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Keep expectations low.

Astral plane could work too. Was that how Rogue saved Gambit from the afterlife in X-Treme? Lenore quoted her line from that issue too a few weeks ago on Twitter.

[Zin Magala]

Astral plane could work too. Was that how Rogue saved Gambit from the afterlife in X-Treme? Lenore quoted her line from that issue too a few weeks ago on Twitter.

Exactly that. They can easily adapt their dialogue in that scene to Rogue and Gambit's character arcs (heroic sacrifice/wanting more). Lenore's quote was from Rogue after that scene and Lenore would have read it if she wanted to get a feel for it for her voice work.

Before Time Loop was in play, I was figuring Jean was going to tap into the Phoenix Force to save Gold Team and defeat Sinister and Bastion. The Phoenix has been in the intro on/off all season and we know Beau loves him some Jean. Now that Time Loop is in play, Jean is probably dead and Cable is the only one left from Gold Team. It's too late for Blue Team to save them and they are probably all going to get wiped out as well. Magneto is, most likely, mortally wounded and all Xavier has to do is take the helmet off and shut him down. Magneto is either going to kill everyone or, in a more desperate move, hurl Asteroid M towards Earth before he bleeds out. That could explain the globe in Xavier's vision. Cable will jump back into the past when it's clear they lost.

Cable now has the knowledge to change everything post Genosha. Cable will rally the X-Men and get to Genosha when the battle is over. This would allow Jean to help Rogue save Gambit (like in Xtreme). They can either save Magneto before Bastion gets a hold of him or before Val sets him free. Now they will have the entire team to take down Sinister and Bastion. This will also open the door for Rogue to punch Bastion through his face for what he did to Genosha and Gambit.

Unfortunately the Gala will be off the table for Romy, though maybe there will be some dancing on their first date at the end of the season. Meanwhile, Magneto will form the Acolytes for a proper Fatal Attraction/Onslaught arc in S2.

[PeachFlavoredXanax]

Definitely possible re: Gambit being revived, but having a latent death persona that comes out later.

I saw others speculating that Wolverine may be War (his war quote prior to the Mags stab, he became a horseman post his metal being ripped out, and Jean kept Wolverine alive in the first place after his metal ripped out — she ain’t on the asteroid this time) and Maddie as Pestilence (really just based on the plague of rats in her vision), like maybe the horsemen are brought on in a latent sense from the Phoenix pulling them out from death? They’re alive again but… wrong (but not too terribly obvious right off the bat). And then Apocalypse takes advantage of that in season 2.

That leaves out Famine which a quick Wikipedia article read through implies they originally rocked a scale to weigh wheat with that would never be enough for the working class to get a decent meal. But very specifically Famine states to never raise the cost of wine or oil (luxuries for the rich). Sounds kinda like someone who’d charge $10 an apple in a brand new nation *shrug*


As for our Star Trek homework, someone asked Beau directly if this means we’re getting time loops and he responded ‘not necessarily.’ Someone else pointed out ‘They were playing poker in that episode, someone warning them with cards about a time loop...’ and Beau said to keep thinking & digging and You’re doing good. C’mon Queen of Hearts! Do a thing!

[Sparta]

I saw others speculating that Wolverine may be War (his war quote prior to the Mags stab, he became a horseman post his metal being ripped out, and Jean kept Wolverine alive in the first place after his metal ripped out — she ain’t on the asteroid this time) and Maddie as Pestilence (really just based on the plague of rats in her vision), like maybe the horsemen are brought on in a latent sense from the Phoenix pulling them out from death? They’re alive again but… wrong (but not too terribly obvious right off the bat). And then Apocalypse takes advantage of that in season 2.

That leaves out Famine which a quick Wikipedia article read through implies they originally rocked a scale to weigh wheat with that would never be enough for the working class to get a decent meal. But very specifically Famine states to never raise the cost of wine or oil (luxuries for the rich). Sounds kinda like someone who’d charge $10 an apple in a brand new nation *shrug*


As for our Star Trek homework, someone asked Beau directly if this means we’re getting time loops and he responded ‘not necessarily.’ Someone else pointed out ‘They were playing poker in that episode, someone warning them with cards about a time loop...’ and Beau said to keep thinking & digging and You’re doing good. C’mon Queen of Hearts! Do a thing!

I just read that tweet now, I didn't even think about playing cards (poker) in that Star Trek ep...I did have 'Queen of Hearts' in my theory, but I didn't think about the poker game in Star Trek.

That person is obviously onto something...

[whitecrown]

Okay I'll post...

Please just take this lightly, because it's a lot for a 30 min ep (though I think it'll be longer)...

Despite Deathbit, there are two other things that can happen, a Prime Sentinel or resurrection/mind control under Sinister (diamond forehead). It’s cannon that both Apocalypse and Sinister have resurrected mutants in the past.

The most important thing I keep going back to is Xavier’s vision in Ep 6. There’s something ominous about Gambit in this scene, like he’s about to do something of a cataclysmic scale. He turns into a Sentinel (foreshadowing a Prime Sentinel) Is he Sinister’s secret weapon? We saw the globe lit up in pink. We saw how powerful he could be against the Wild Sentinel. Is he going to kinetically charge something of a large scale? "You light up everything you touch"

Beau says on 2 occasions that it is “key” for Gambit to die not knowing that Rogue chose him at the gala. From Rogue’s perspective, it could be the thing that’s eating her up the most, the guilt, hence the reason why she betrayed Xavier and her family…or, from Gambit’s perspective, if resurrected, it’d be the catalyst to vent out his amplified anger, with no love, he’d be dead inside. Rogue’s the one that can cut through Gambit’s trance. I’d assume there would be a fight scene between the two at some point.

Now with this hint of a time-loop that Beau was referring to from that Star Trek ep, the loop could take place before the Genosha attack. Cable is can’t stop it, and Gambit will still die. But Nate can make small adjustments to change events WITHIN that short timeframe where he starts and where he ends up seeing his mother. For instance, Rogue could be getting dressed up for the gala planning to dance with Magneto, but what if there’s a subtle change? This time she notices the 'Queen of Hearts' card on her table reminding her of Remy, triggering her to rethink her choice. ‘Queen of Hearts’ has been a prominent motif this season, they even showed it in the final trailer. What if she dances with Remy instead of Erik? All of a sudden Gambit died knowing that he loved her. It then changes the perspective of Remy’s mindset in the present, he has his memory altered, all of a sudden he can cut through mind control whilst fighting Rogue, letting his guard down. “Breaking the spell” so to speak. “Any worthwhile man would gladly suffer your hand in a dance” a "dance" can also refer to a fight...

As for Rogue, at the beginning of the ep she might be the one to put Magneto into a coma after what he did to Wolverine, I know Mags can protect himself from Rogue’s powers, but he’s in a weakened state or she catches him by surprise, putting a poetic end to their storyline that’s been built all season. Either that or Xavier mind wipes him again.

We know for a fact that Lenore has pretty much told us that Rogue’s goal is to avenge Remy (and she will do that). She’s after Bastion, she’s absorbed info from Gyrich which may contain vital info. So her “real journey begins” (Lenore’s words). It may also be her redemption for betraying the X-Men, saving Gambit for starters, and saving him from doing something horrible with his enhanced powers. “Rogue always comes to Gambit’s rescue”

Nightcrawler: “Love is best measured in what we forgive” foreshadowing her betrayal and her redemption.

This might carry over to season 2, we'll see. But the pacing for this show is quick, it can be covered in 8-10 mins of air time. Look at 'Fatal Attractions' and 'Inferno'.

Thanks for sharing. Very insightful read and I feel like the evidence about the poker game and there being more to that with the Queen of Hearts suggests we'll see something like this, or a variation anyway, occur. This way his death will not be invalidated but won't be permanent either.

And like you said in your other post, the lack of Mystique makes me feel she'll be involved as well. She's too major a character to be missing this whole season which has so heavily featured Rogue and Kurt and their reunion. No one clarifying who the mystery woman was at the funeral also seems to suggest it's a spoiler.

[Nox Noctes]

Gambit (Death), Maddie (Pestilence), Calisto (Famine), and Wolverine (War). That's my latest guess. Not a bad line-up if it happens. If they write it well, it could be a great story.

I haven't seen that Star Trek episode (not my thing), so I'll opt out of any theories...

[Sparta]

Gambit (Death), Maddie (Pestilence), Calisto (Famine), and Wolverine (War). That's my latest guess. Not a bad line-up if it happens. If they write it well, it could be a great story.

I haven't seen that Star Trek episode (not my thing), so I'll opt out of any theories...

I think Beau was being coy about a Dazzler resurrection. So I'd throw her into the mix...

Thanks for sharing. Very insightful read and I feel like the evidence about the poker game and there being more to that with the Queen of Hearts suggests we'll see something like this, or a variation anyway, occur. This way his death will not be invalidated but won't be permanent either.

And like you said in your other post, the lack of Mystique makes me feel she'll be involved as well. She's too major a character to be missing this whole season which has so heavily featured Rogue and Kurt and their reunion. No one clarifying who the mystery woman was at the funeral also seems to suggest it's a spoiler.

Beau posted a zipper mouth emoji when asked about Mystique this season.

It might be Cable communicating with Gambit through the Astral Plane? Which might be what Chris Potter was talking about? Now it looks like playing cards are involved in this and surely if Gambit is trying to communicate, Rogue would need to be involved.

Rogue is mystery to me, I can't predict where she's going because she changes her mind 2-3 times an episode. At the moment she's in Asteroid M fighting AGAINST the X-Men, but we're at the climax of that battle assuming that Magneto gets taken down by Xavier (or maybe by Rogue herself). We know she's out to avenge Remy this season, in doing so, she needs to return to Earth.

[Nox Noctes]

Right, Dazzler. I keep forgetting her. Maybe Famine? I don't know. Callisto would make more sense in a poetic way, but Dazzler is more popular.

Once Rogue sees what Mags did to Logan, I would be surprised if she didn't switch back to siding with the X-Men. I see Rogue as being a free agent in this series, she's not really committed to anything unless it suits her end game, but seeing Logan (her friend) tortured like that is crossing a line.

[PeachFlavoredXanax]

It might be Cable communicating with Gambit through the Astral Plane? Which might be what Chris Potter was talking about? Now it looks like playing cards are involved in this and surely if Gambit is trying to communicate, Rogue would need to be involved.

Rogue is mystery to me, I can't predict where she's going because she changes her mind 2-3 times an episode. At the moment she's in Asteroid M fighting AGAINST the X-Men, but we're at the climax of that battle assuming that Magneto gets taken down by Xavier (or maybe by Rogue herself). We know she's out to avenge Remy this season, in doing so, she needs to return to Earth.

Soooo what if the Queen of Hearts ends up not being burnt up but instead at the very least ends up in his trench coat pocket? We get a repeat of most post-episode 5 staying kinda the same but instead of Rogue joining Magneto, she finds the card, decides not to abandon the X-Men and then insists on joining the Gold Team on their mission to stomp out Bastion - like she was originally hot to in episode 7. Could keep in line with her VA insisting Rogue won’t stop until she avenges Gambit which we were all like ‘the fuck is she gonna do that by joining Magneto?’ She’s then there to change course of the gold fight. And perhaps Jean & Cable still have their fight and she still goes Phoenix but Rogue is now around should the white hot room open up and drag Gambit’s cajun ass back to the land of the living.

IDK, spit balling

[Sparta]

Just noticed...

Nightcralwer: "It does not take a priest to see you and Rogue's souls touch in every gaze"

Lenore keeps calling Rogue and Gambit soulmates in interviews. She also quoted a line from Rogue in X-Treme X-Men #18 where Rogue saves Gambit from death in the astral plane. This was the line Lenore quoted...

“We’re X men. What defines us is hope. That's why we don't give up. That's why, no matter the odds, we find a way to win.” - Rogue (XTreme X-Men)

[Sparta]

Soooo what if the Queen of Hearts ends up not being burnt up but instead at the very least ends up in his trench coat pocket? We get a repeat of most post-episode 5 staying kinda the same but instead of Rogue joining Magneto, she finds the card, decides not to abandon the X-Men and then insists on joining the Gold Team on their mission to stomp out Bastion - like she was originally hot to in episode 7. Could keep in line with her VA insisting Rogue won’t stop until she avenges Gambit which we were all like ‘the fuck is she gonna do that by joining Magneto?’ She’s then there to change course of the gold fight. And perhaps Jean & Cable still have their fight and she still goes Phoenix but Rogue is now around should the white hot room open up and drag Gambit’s cajun ass back to the land of the living.

IDK, spit balling

I would've thought Rogue would find the 'Queen of Hearts' in his pocket. If there was time-travel or time-looping maybe that time frame works where she betrays the X-Men? Maybe, because she needs to be with Jean and Cable.

[Nox Noctes]

Just noticed...

Nightcralwer: "It does not take a priest to see you and Rogue's souls touch in every gaze"

Lenore keeps calling Rogue and Gambit soulmates in interviews. She also quoted a line from Rogue in X-Treme X-Men #18 where Rogue saves Gambit from death in the astral plane. This was the line Lenore quoted...

“We’re X men. What defines us is hope. That's why we don't give up. That's why, no matter the odds, we find a way to win.” - Rogue (XTreme X-Men)

I wasn't convinced of the Astral Plane angle at first, but when you put it like that...maybe???