Cyclops/Scott Summers Appreciation 2024

[Darth_Caedus]

broader chest and shoulders too

Yes those too. He really did listen to fans' criticism

[Mercury]

I apologize for popping in here and focusing only on what I consider to be Scott's insensitive and downright disrespectful behavior toward Jean. It was a reflexive response to a few fans who framed Jean's actions and history in a way I found ridiculously one-sided, blind-spotted, and offensive. It was also a rehashing of my former gripes with Scott. I was able to forgive him after reading his adult and teenage arcs during the time-displacement era, when, as an adult, I found him incredibly compelling and alluring and, as a teenager, I found him relatable and endearing. And I loved his and Jean's arc during that era, too, which I feel was handled brilliantly, with both facing aspects of themselves, each other, and their relationship that informed their recoupling.

I've already said what I had to say about Krakoa, but I'll add this: I found Scott's behavior toward Jean during this era both supremely sensitive and incredibly sexy. It's almost as if he recognized how much mortal time she lost and how much of a toll repeatedly dying and coming back took on her. Not to mention what she endured from Phoenix Resurrection to Age of X-Man, including contending with his death and the murder of her family, Xavier's betrayal of her and the rest of the O5, her remembrance of her time-displacement and all that she learned through that while her adult self was still in the White Hot Room, and, of course, her son's madness. They didn't speak much, if at all, about any of this, but I think that's why he encouraged her to lead and accepted her having an affair with Logan and was just generally open to whatever she wanted to do. It was like he was finally telling her, "Ha! Live, Jean. Live." Frankly, it made me fall in love with him again.

Scott is a beautifully flawed and heroic character, as is his wife, and they both survived traumatic childhoods and traumatic young adulthoods, committing grave mistakes and singular heroic acts along the way. What makes them inspiring and relatable as both individuals and a couple is that they're not perfect. I understand why Jean loves him. I can't deny that I find him attractive, too. And, of course, I understand why he's never been able to truly move on from Jean. Ultimately, I think they're in a place now brimming with potential. One thing I loved about the Krakoan era is that they both allowed each other the space and time to do what they each wanted while also deeply respecting and understanding one another. That's one thing I loved about the Brood arc. They went toe to toe, but ultimately, they compromised for each other. Jean gave Scott the respect he deserved as a leader and didn't stand in his way after he didn't back down about wanting to destroy the Brood. In turn, Scott gave Jean what she wanted by letting her save the Brood under Broo's control.

I want the best for them both. That's all.

[Darth_Caedus]

I apologize for popping in here and focusing only on what I consider to be Scott's insensitive and downright disrespectful behavior toward Jean. It was a reflexive response to a few fans who framed Jean's actions and history in a way I found ridiculously one-sided, blind-spotted, and offensive. It was also a rehashing of my former gripes with Scott. I was able to forgive him after reading his adult and teenage arcs during the time-displacement era, when, as an adult, I found him incredibly compelling and alluring and, as a teenager, I found him relatable and endearing. And I loved his and Jean's arc during that era, too, which I feel was handled brilliantly, with both facing aspects of themselves, each other, and their relationship that informed their recoupling.

I've already said what I had to say about Krakoa, but I'll add this: I found Scott's behavior toward Jean during this era both supremely sensitive and incredibly sexy. It's almost as if he recognized how much of a toll repeatedly dying and coming back took on her. Not to mention what she endured from Phoenix Resurrection to Age of X-Man, including contending with his death and the murder of her family, Xavier's betrayal of her and the rest of the O5, her remembrance of her time-displacement and all that she learned through that while her adult self was still in the White Hot Room, and, of course, her son's madness. They didn't speak much, if at all, about any of this, but I think that's why he encouraged her to lead and accepted her having an affair with Logan and was just generally open to whatever she wanted to do. It was like he was finally telling her, "Ha! Live, Jean. Live." Frankly, it made me fall in love with him again.

Scott is a beautifully flawed and heroic character, as is his wife, and they both survived traumatic childhoods and traumatic young adulthoods, committing grave mistakes and singular heroic acts along the way. What makes them inspiring and relatable as both individuals and a couple is that they're not perfect. I understand why Jean loves him. I can't deny that I find him attractive, too. And, of course, I understand why he's never been able to truly move on from Jean. Ultimately, I think they're in a place now brimming with potential. One thing I loved about the Krakoan era is that they both allowed each other the space and time to do what they each wanted while also deeply respecting and understanding one another. That's one thing I loved about the Brood arc. They went toe to toe, but ultimately, they compromised for each other. Jean gave Scott the respect he deserved as a leader and didn't stand in his way after he didn't back down about wanting to destroy the Brood. In turn, Scott gave Jean what she wanted by letting her save the Brood under Broo's control.

I want the best for them both. That's all.

After X of Swords, they chose each other and went to live in a treehouse together. I hope there's no Jogan or Scemma in the upcoming relaunch.

[NearlyEnough]

I think that allowing Jean to hook up with Logan makes Scott look really pathetic and shows a ridiculous lack of self-respect, no one will ever be able to convince me that being a cuck is a good thing, I hope it gets retconned, I'd even prefer if Scott accepted that shitty arrangement because he was being manipulated via telepathy, anything but Scott suddenly losing all his self-respect and pride and saying "sure, go fuck Wolverine while I cook dinner".

[Darth_Caedus]

I think that allowing Jean to hook up with Logan makes Scott look really pathetic and shows a ridiculous lack of self-respect, no one will ever be able to convince me that being a cuck is a good thing, I hope it gets retconned, I'd even prefer if Scott accepted that shitty arrangement because he was being manipulated via telepathy, anything but Scott suddenly losing all his self-respect and pride and saying "sure, go fuck Wolverine while I cook dinner".

I hated it but it really wasn't that big of a deal that fans try to blow it out of proportion. We also had hints of Scemma in the beginning but I think after Scott and Jean went to live in the treehouse, they had moved on from other romantic entanglements. I don't see it mentioned in the upcoming relaunch either, considering that they already swept it under the rug.

[AJ.j1n0u]

I hated it but it really wasn't that big of a deal that fans try to blow it out of proportion. We also had hints of Scemma in the beginning but I think after Scott and Jean went to live in the treehouse, they had moved on from other romantic entanglements. I don't see it mentioned in the upcoming relaunch either, considering that they already swept it under the rug.

Problems are not hidden Jacen, they must be talked about and solved, that is the problem with Scott and Jean, everything happens off-panel, it is terribly annoying that Jean invades Scott's mind but he is not aware of what she is doing, ( X-men 97) + happened a couple of times in the Claremont retcons of X-men Classic, and even though Scott knows something about it, Jean has never put a definitive stop to Logan's interests.
And as I said before, Jean fans only tolerate Scott because he is a main character, days before NearlyEnough found comments towards Cyclops, now the words of the same account (Twitter /X) have changed for convenience and hypocrisy.

[Darth_Caedus]

Problems are not hidden Jacen, they must be talked about and solved, that is the problem with Scott and Jean, everything happens off-panel, it is terribly annoying that Jean invades Scott's mind but he is not aware of what she is doing, ( X-men 97) + happened a couple of times in the Claremont retcons of X-men Classic, and even though Scott knows something about it, Jean has never put a definitive stop to Logan's interests.
And as I said before, Jean fans only tolerate Scott because he is a main character, days before NearlyEnough found comments towards Cyclops, now the words of the same account (Twitter /X) have changed for convenience and hypocrisy.

There are Jean fans that genuinely like Scott. I'm a Cyke stan but genuinely like Jean. I prefer to enjoy things on my own than listen to random people's opinons nowadays, although my pessimism still persists.
BTW why have you removed me from your friends list

[Mercury]

I think that allowing Jean to hook up with Logan makes Scott look really pathetic and shows a ridiculous lack of self-respect, no one will ever be able to convince me that being a cuck is a good thing, I hope it gets retconned, I'd even prefer if Scott accepted that shitty arrangement because he was being manipulated via telepathy, anything but Scott suddenly losing all his self-respect and pride and saying "sure, go fuck Wolverine while I cook dinner".

Enough! You didn't view Jean as a cuckquean when things were reversed, did you? In any event, I feel it makes him a strong and confident man who simply wanted to afford his wife what she afforded him long ago.

I'm done with this conversation. ::flies away::

[NearlyEnough]

Enough! You didn't view Jean as a cuckquean when things were reversed, did you? In any event, I feel it makes him a strong and confident man who simply wanted to afford his wife what she afforded him long ago.

I'm done with this conversation. ::flies away::

No because things were never the other way, Scott had the psychic affair with Emma and that's it, Jean got mad when she found out about it, if writers showed Scott constantly hooking up with other women with Jean's permission I'd consider her a cuck too and feel bad for her.

Scott dated Emma when Jean was dead, it's not the same at all.

[Darth_Caedus]

Please, let's move on from this subject already. Scott and Jean are Endgame in 616, Logan at the very best is a side piece

[Konja7]

I think that allowing Jean to hook up with Logan makes Scott look really pathetic and shows a ridiculous lack of self-respect, no one will ever be able to convince me that being a cuck is a good thing, I hope it gets retconned, I'd even prefer if Scott accepted that shitty arrangement because he was being manipulated via telepathy, anything but Scott suddenly losing all his self-respect and pride and saying "sure, go fuck Wolverine while I cook dinner".

Honestly, I don't think the situation in Krakoa is really pathetic for Scott. It was just an agreement between two adults. It's a messy situation, but they are honest this time.

I would prefer if Scott and Jean just break up, but that's likely my dislike for their romantic relationship speaking.

[H-E-D]

Yeah, I think Morrison wrote a very convincing argument for the end of Scott and Jean’s relationship, and I don’t think anybody since has written a convincing argument for why they got back together.

I was a fan of the polyamorous angle — but it felt like after Hickman left, they had to downplay it. Still, it was beautiful while it lasted.

[Darth_Caedus]

Yeah, I think Morrison wrote a very convincing argument for the end of Scott and Jean’s relationship, and I don’t think anybody since has written a convincing argument for why they got back together.

I was a fan of the polyamorous angle — but it felt like after Hickman left, they had to downplay it. Still, it was beautiful while it lasted.

Nah I'm glad it was swept under the rug. It didn't make any sense for these characters and they were trying to pander to a a niche audience among a nice audience lmao. There was no way they were going to keep it around.

[Omega Alpha]

I think that allowing Jean to hook up with Logan makes Scott look really pathetic and shows a ridiculous lack of self-respect, no one will ever be able to convince me that being a cuck is a good thing, I hope it gets retconned, I'd even prefer if Scott accepted that shitty arrangement because he was being manipulated via telepathy, anything but Scott suddenly losing all his self-respect and pride and saying "sure, go fuck Wolverine while I cook dinner".

It's pretty simple to understand once.you realize he.was also seeing Emma on the side, she just didn't want to live there.

[Darth_Caedus]

It's pretty simple to understand once.you realize he.was also seeing Emma on the side, she just didn't want to live there.

It never was a big deal anyway and was downplayed after X of Swords when Scott and Jean went to live in the treehouse. Some tend to blow it out of proportion.