Is professor x a villain now?

[choptop]

I haven't kept up with the x books as of late but I've heard professor x is a villain now and so is Beast? Can someone explain?

[Darth_Caedus]

Both Chuck and Hank are Saturday morning mustache twirling cartoon villains now. Basically he makes a deal with the Machines to exterminate humanity

[choptop]

Both Chuck and Hank are Saturday morning mustache twirling cartoon villains now. Basically he makes a deal with the Machines to exterminate humanity

Wasn't Cyclops a villain for awhile to?

[Darth_Caedus]

Wasn't Cyclops a villain for awhile to?

Cyclops was never a mustache twirling villain. He was a sympathetic Fallen hero who ended up being right in the end despite all the destruction he caused. Hank and Chuck's villainy doesn't make any sense

[Nicoclaws]

Beast's evolution over several years (arguingly from even before Morrison) took him dark paths culminating in being a violent almost perverse director of mutant CIA. His depiction in the latest volume of X-force was indeed very villainous. That character died and another Beast was ressurected, with no memory since he was with the Avengers I believe. Current Beast hasn't gon through the villain path.

Xavier seemingly sided with the machines against humanity to protect mutants, in the last crossover. It seems to be part of a larger plan of which we don't have all he elements yet so we'll see.

[bat39]

Don't have the details of the current story. But honestly, I think if you look at Xavier not as a 'superhero' or 'superhero leader' but as a political leader, then the 'hero'/'villain' labels are a lot harder to apply.

Its the same with any of the other major X-men characters in leadership positions - Cyclops, Magneto etc.

These are people trying to preserve their race in a hostile world, and trying to determine what kind of future their race can make in such a world and what means will need to be employed. 'Good' and 'evil' in the classic superhero sense seldom comes into it.

That's of course if you use the political allegory framing of the franchise. If you use the superhero framing, then yeah, he's probably a hero gone too far, or a hero gone bad...

[DragonsChi]

The X-Men in general now is more of a villain/Anti-hero books at this point. They're pretty much the Suicide Squad minus the exploding heads.

There's are only a handful of characters that would really fall into the true blue hero category.

[JB]

Beast's evolution over several years (arguingly from even before Morrison) took him dark paths culminating in being a violent almost perverse director of mutant CIA. His depiction in the latest volume of X-force was indeed very villainous. That character died and another Beast was ressurected, with no memory since he was with the Avengers I believe. Current Beast hasn't gon through the villain path.

Xavier seemingly sided with the machines against humanity to protect mutants, in the last crossover. It seems to be part of a larger plan of which we don't have all he elements yet so we'll see.

Well put. Xavier's master plan seems to be buying time for mutants so Phoenix can be resurrected to stop Enigma.

[Rev9]

Don't have the details of the current story. But honestly, I think if you look at Xavier not as a 'superhero' or 'superhero leader' but as a political leader, then the 'hero'/'villain' labels are a lot harder to apply.

Its the same with any of the other major X-men characters in leadership positions - Cyclops, Magneto etc.

These are people trying to preserve their race in a hostile world, and trying to determine what kind of future their race can make in such a world and what means will need to be employed. 'Good' and 'evil' in the classic superhero sense seldom comes into it.

That's of course if you use the political allegory framing of the franchise. If you use the superhero framing, then yeah, he's probably a hero gone too far, or a hero gone bad...

I agree with most of this.I just think Gillen's plan is undermined by Xavier's knowledge.He knows of a bigger threat and maybe counting on a world re-set to negate his choices.However by the same token he knows through seeing Moira's other lives, as well as time-hopping (while hiding out of time) the ultimate game plan of OS and Nimrod.So why even make a deal now when he knows they want to join the big bad Enigma anyway? Narratively it makes no sense.What would make sense is the whole Project Black box he had planned was a long term project waiting for this very scenario to actualise.He had a vault technology reverse engineered to hide a remnant of Krakoa out of time that would be immune to the Dominion or at least( with a deal akin to Neo and the Architect in the Matrix) maintain a threshold for a survivable mutant population to reconstitute the numbers for Nimrod to stay relevant. Sometimes I don't know if writers think things through ,or even opt for utilising other stories to give them plausible (even if un-original) 'outs'

[Nicoclaws]

But they don't want to join Enigma. They want to joina machine dominion (phalanx) and don't know about Enigma eating the Dominions.

[Rev9]

But they don't want to join Enigma. They want to joina machine dominion (phalanx) and don't know about Enigma eating the Dominions.

In the last issue Enigma seems to be seeking an alliance with Dominions to help him against the Phoenix which basically means they'd join a Dominion who would ally with Enigma.

[M@Bowers2014]

I haven't kept up with the x books as of late but I've heard professor x is a villain now and so is Beast? Can someone explain?

The version of Beast that become a disgusting murderous villain is dead. He has been replaced now by a clone who's memories only went up to when he was in the Defenders. So basically the classic Beast is back in place and is going to be in the new X-Men book led by Cyclops. The story about Professor X is still happening but it does look he has indeed betrayed the X-Men.

[Will Evans]

The version of Beast that become a disgusting murderous villain is dead. He has been replaced now by a clone who's memories only went up to when he was in the Defenders. So basically the classic Beast is back in place and is going to be in the new X-Men book led by Cyclops. The story about Professor X is still happening but it does look he has indeed betrayed the X-Men.

But does Defenders Beast have all the memories of his time displaced teen self who went to the future (our recent past, before Krakoa age)?

[JJS]

These are people trying to preserve their race in a hostile world, and trying to determine what kind of future their race can make in such a world and what means will need to be employed. 'Good' and 'evil' in the classic superhero sense seldom comes into it.

Sounds a bit Zionisty.

[M@Bowers2014]

But does Defenders Beast have all the memories of his time displaced teen self who went to the future (our recent past, before Krakoa age)?

I would think he should. I don't know for sure though because I dropped X-Force when it became clear that the just rehashing the evil Beast thing over and over. But maybe not because didn't they have their memories get erased when they went back? IDK. I'm just happy that he's not the ridiculous evil terrorist version. Hopefully he'll be portrayed more like how he was during his Avenger days moving forward.