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    Quote Originally Posted by godisawesome View Post
    If you think Spider-Man must be just a coming of age drama, then you should just stick him in high school forever, and either you just never get him out of it, or you reboot it whenever he gets ready to graduate.

    ...But every major version of Spider-Man that has reached the end of his high school years just transitioned to a new “learning to adult” phase, followed by a “being an adult” phase of it got further then that - and of course, the original creative team moved him out of high school very quickly, and they continued telling medium-changing stories long after he exited high school.

    For the record, I think thereÂ’s some merit to wanting a hero in a status quo, though most proponents of it are foolish in their insistence on trying to dictate it rather than allow great runs to modify and progress it only when itÂ’s successful (which I would regard as the accidental secret that the Batman franchise discovered.)

    The thing for me that personally exasperates me is that I donÂ’t get why anyone would want Joe Quesada and co.Â’s particular status quo; if people think that Spider-Man should be in a permanent stay quo, who the hell wants it to be as a sad sack late-20Â’s to early 30Â’s loser?

    I mean, late-20’s to early-30’s superheroes are a dime a dozen, and a lot of the ones in that age range are cooler than “Loser Peter”, and people have naturally less patience for grown-ass men acting like man-children than they do for teenagers learning to grow up.
    I’d argue that sticking Peter perpetually in high school is still not coming of age. That’s just an animated sitcom like The Simpsons. Or classic Archie (and even Archie has grown up and even died).

    Coming of age is about firsts - as firsts are usually integral to loss of innocence. First kiss, first falling in love, first break up, first real experience with death, first loss of someone important, first real adult responsibility, first job, first time having sex, etc.

    The thing about firsts is that there are only one. Once the first is over…it’s over. And can’t be repeated or recovered.

    That’s why stories set in high school inevitably move beyond high school if they want to have any verisimilitude and real life resonance. Or they remain sitcoms where the situation is what matters, not the characters who are just archetypes/stereotypes.

    It’s so funny - both haha and head scratching - that Spider-Man has his premier place in the pantheon of pop culture heroes BECAUSE he was allowed to have his firsts, learn from them, and grow. The classic stories everyone points to are all about Peter learning from and being affected by his experiences: AF 15, Death of Gwen Stacy, KLH, The Conversation, The Child Within/Death of Harry Osborn, If This Be My Destiny, even the Clone Saga - and yet there is this school of thought that this has harmed the character and therefore should never be allowed to occur moving forward?! It’s so unfathomable to me. And it’s led to the character completely spinning his wheels and an ever increasing tendency to just homage classic stories with ever diminishing results and ever more audience ennui. No wonder USM is outperforming - it allows its Peter Parker to be a person first, not a two dimensional cartoon mascot like current 616.
    Last edited by TinkerSpider; 05-04-2024 at 10:30 PM.
    “I always figured if I were a superhero, there’s no way on God's earth that I'm gonna pal around with some teenager."

    — Stan Lee

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