Star Trek: Discovery

[Jokerz79]

Another ok episode I didn't hate it but didn't love it either.

Funny thing is Rayner, Moll, and L'ak are probably the 3 characters I'm enjoying the most.

Nitpick annoyance Why not make the ship the ISS Exeter, or Excalibur, or Constellation, or whatever just not the Enterprise? We've seen the ISS Enterprise your Disco/SNW Enterprise doesn't match it. I swear Disco just wants to annoy me somedays.

[thwhtGuardian]

Another ok episode I didn't hate it but didn't love it either.

Funny thing is Rayner, Moll, and L'ak are probably the 3 characters I'm enjoying the most.

Nitpick annoyance Why not make the ship the ISS Exeter, or Excalibur, or Constellation, or whatever just not the Enterprise? We've seen the ISS Enterprise your Disco/SNW Enterprise doesn't match it. I swear Disco just wants to annoy me somedays.

It makes sense that the ISS Enterprise would look like the USS Enterprise we know from Discovery and Strange New Worlds though

[Jokerz79]

It makes sense that the ISS Enterprise would look like the USS Enterprise we know from Discovery and Strange New Worlds though

As stupid as it is the in universe explanation is that the Enterprise went through 4 refits.

1: Original Design likely used under April and Pike during his early voyages footage was even used in Disco's "If Memory Serves".

2: The Disco/SNW Era refit.

3: TOS Era which is now a refit.

4: Film Era.

This episode is saying the Empire or more notably Spock's Resistance downgraded the Ship to a past version. Why do that when all they had to do is use another Constitution Class from the TOS Era. You get your memberries without messing with continuity. Thank God this shows writers only have a few more episodes to mess with.

[thwhtGuardian]

As stupid as it is the in universe explanation is that the Enterprise went through 4 refits.

1: Original Design likely used under April and Pike during his early voyages footage was even used in Disco's "If Memory Serves".

2: The Disco/SNW Era refit.

3: TOS Era which is now a refit.

4: Film Era.

This episode is saying the Empire or more notably Spock's Resistance downgraded the Ship to a past version. Why do that when all they had to do is use another Constitution Class from the TOS Era. You get your memberries without messing with continuity. Thank God this shows writers only have a few more episodes to mess with.

I don't think they're going to make it so the original TOS design is a refit, or the original films. This is just the design of the Enterprise now due to changes in how the audience expects the future to look.

[ChrisIII]

The ISS in Mirror Mirror actually used the Cage design/stock footage on the outside; problem though, the interiors were from the TOS era.


Although it's possible bridge designs can change. While not necessarily a 'past version' the bridge in the movies looked pretty different in each movie. Although I-III and the first A one use the same basic set they're all pretty different; the TWOK version seems to use smaller (maybe took out some wall panels) probably to look a bit closer to the TOS version (Spock's console in particular is moved to it's original place) III changed a few details, IV has the Okuda grams, V I think is intended to be partially transitional to TNG, TUC uses some panels.

I think the explanation is that the Bridges are modular and can be basically plugged in, although it's more of a "beta canon" explanation. In one of the novels it's revealed that the TOS Enterprise bridge still survives in a fleet museum connected to another Constitution class.

[Jokerz79]

I don't think they're going to make it so the original TOS design is a refit, or the original films. This is just the design of the Enterprise now due to changes in how the audience expects the future to look.

Then they can say what they want but it's not the same timeline. Because as much as I like SNW previous shows TOS, TNG, DS9, & ENT which all used the original TOS designs and even Picard to the extent of showing the classic Constitution did exist given the USS New Jersey is in the Fleet Museum supersedes SNW and especially Disco.

[thwhtGuardian]

Then they can say what they want but it's not the same timeline. Because as much as I like SNW previous shows TOS, TNG, DS9, & ENT which all used the original TOS designs and even Picard to the extent of showing the classic Constitution did exist given the USS New Jersey is in the Fleet Museum supersedes SNW and especially Disco.

It is the same time line specifically because they say so. You can decide you don't like it if you want, but they get to decide what is in continuity not individual fans.

At the end of the day it's personally pretty easy for me to just accept that it's a TV show not a historical document and that currently the creators have decided to update the aesthetics based on advances of science and modern design expectations.

[ChrisIII]

The Jersey didn't have any interior sets though they could readily use by simply dimming the lights and adding a few Mirror Universe props.

Even the few times the TOS bridge shows up in the spin-offs it's 90% archival footage and tiny pieces of set (Like in Relics and Trials and Tribbleations) blended in with the exception of the Constitution class Defiant in In A Mirror, Darkly for Enterprise. And I'm guessing those sets are long gone. There are fan recreations I guess but I'm not sure they'd be ready in time or have the right elements etc.

Kind of wonder if this wouldn't have worked better as the Defiant, actually...but oh well.

[Anthony W]

Then they can say what they want but it's not the same timeline. Because as much as I like SNW previous shows TOS, TNG, DS9, & ENT which all used the original TOS designs and even Picard to the extent of showing the classic Constitution did exist given the USS New Jersey is in the Fleet Museum supersedes SNW and especially Disco.

Many people would be willing to look past a lot of stuff if they just admitted that it's a reboot. The older fans won't care because they never considered this continuity. The new fans brought in won't care because they have no connection. The whole "its not a reboot!" thing is just stalling for time until they overwrite everything.

Discovery: This show really screwed them over. If they could go back in time they would have just launched Strange New Worlds.

Strange New Worlds: Pike's crew.

The next show (if there is a next show) Will be Kirk's crew. and you better believe that after that there is a The Next Generation reboot .

[ChrisIII]

Today's episode is an undercover away mission gone wrong so let's go ahead and break the prime directive several times one (Like Justice, Who Watches the Watchers, First contact TV episode, Homeworld etc)


Although it could be argued the Denobulans broke it in the first place by making the towers. There's an Enterprise episode (Dear Doctor) dealing with a moral dilemma about the natural cultural and biological evolution of a species that revolves around Phlox (A Denobulan), and Archer muses that maybe that starfleet should draft some kind of "doctrine" to help making these kind of decisions.

[thwhtGuardian]

Many people would be willing to look past a lot of stuff if they just admitted that it's a reboot. The older fans won't care because they never considered this continuity. The new fans brought in won't care because they have no connection. The whole "its not a reboot!" thing is just stalling for time until they overwrite everything.

Discovery: This show really screwed them over. If they could go back in time they would have just launched Strange New Worlds.

Strange New Worlds: Pike's crew.

The next show (if there is a next show) Will be Kirk's crew. and you better believe that after that there is a The Next Generation reboot .

Eh, I don't think there are all that many older fans that think that it needs to be called a reboot, most understand that it's a TV show and it's ok if aesthetics are updated.

[Anthony W]

Eh, I don't think there are all that many older fans that think that it needs to be called a reboot, most understand that it's a TV show and it's ok if aesthetics are updated.

I can't tell if you really believe that or if you are just being really sarcastic.

[BeastieRunner]

Eh, I don't think there are all that many older fans that think that it needs to be called a reboot, most understand that it's a TV show and it's ok if aesthetics are updated.

I can't tell if you really believe that or if you are just being really sarcastic.

My parents, in-laws, and aunt/uncles that love Trek don't care about actor updates or if things are different looking.

They're in their 70s and 80s.

Older fans in their 40-60s are different than the ones that actually grew up with TOS, not reruns.

I'm pretty sure that's what they're talking about, the 70+ crowd, when they say older.

[ChrisIII]

The closest we've got to any TNG reboot is probably Discovery revealing that the Kelvin-verse TNG era decided to stick with the season 1/2 (although some of the non-command crew still wore these outfits at least in season 3) look until around the time of NEMESIS since somebody from there wound up in the Prime universe (Context:They were trying to figure out how to save Mirror Georgiou.)

[ChrisIII]

So with only four episodes to go I'm wondering if they're going to really bother with the Short Treks Calypso thing about Discovery being abandoned or just leave it as a self-contained story (Despite Discovery's computer becoming self-aware/Zora becoming a major part of that), or let Starfleet Academy, Section 31 or some other future spin-off deal with it instead.

Not like Trek hasn't abandoned plot points before...