By this definition - an editor determining a title's direction - much of Marvel's history is "editorial interference." We're seeing X-Men go through it right now. Are X-Men fans not supposed to voice their opinions?
But let's say editorial interference in and of itself is automatically "bad" and wholly ignoring whether the interfered with stories have value or not. Why do two creative wrongs make a right?
Why does one excuse the other?
And regardless: “If editorial interference is acceptable for the wedding, then it must be acceptable for OMD” is an “affirming the consequence” logical fallacy; claiming that marriage fans are being hypocrites because they accept editorial interference in one case but not the other is an example of a “tu quoque” logical fallacy.
Last edited by TinkerSpider; 05-13-2024 at 05:27 PM.
“I always figured if I were a superhero, there’s no way on God's earth that I'm gonna pal around with some teenager."
— Stan Lee
The moment editors tell writers what to do it's editorially driven.
That's part of what it means to be editorially-driven. It's not like this is the direction of the story selected by Tom DeFalco, Peter David and Len Kaminski, the people writing Spider-Man comics when the decision was made.
Within the context of the comic, stuff happens that is due to directors David Michelinie is given for his fourth issue of Amazing Spider-Man (technically it's his fifth- he had a fill-in with the second half of a Black Cat two-parter in 1980.)
There are various storytelling decisions that would not occur if the writers guided everything. The entire engagement is covered in one annual. Peter's coworkers celebrate it before Aunt May and Aunt Anna learn about it. The guy who started his run on the series with the proposal issue sure as hell knew what editorial wanted.
It's fine to argue that editors made the right call listening to fans, but it was an editorial mandate.
Sincerely,
Thomas Mets
I like Peter and MJ as parents and reading about their kids but I don't think the 616 versions would benefit from having a kid and that's seeing how much other ongoing Superhero narratives have to balance and work around the kid characters at times.
It works in, say, RYV and Ultimate because it was designed from the get-go in a way to incorporate the kid but even if they brought back the marriage I don't think working in a kid would work.
There seems to be a fallacy for everything these days. It seems like any evidence/opinion at all can be put into some fallacy bucket if you squint hard enough.
It’s more that thanks to social media and the like, fallacious arguments are amplified and multiplied. And it feels like fewer and fewer people are educated how to recognize fallacies.
In my opinion. But not sure how controversial it is.
My controversial opinion is Marvel should just give up their pretense of having a unified continuity, admit it’s too constricting and they are only paying lip service to it anyway by insisiting continuity matters but then treating their characters as toys, and publish year long or so arcs set at any point in Peter Parker’s life, giving artists and writers freedom to experiment and be creative.
Last edited by TinkerSpider; 05-13-2024 at 10:30 PM.
“I always figured if I were a superhero, there’s no way on God's earth that I'm gonna pal around with some teenager."
— Stan Lee
There were no fans "demanding" it.
The letter pages at that time were not filled with correspondence talking about "When will Peter & MJ get married?" "Please make that happen NOW!"
Marvel revealed their plan, following what Stan was doing in the strip, to the fanbase, and yes, some were excited for it. But it wasn't Marvel filling a demand.
And IMHO, Stan was only doing it to bring a spark to the newspaper comic strip.
I mean if the fans were excited about it then there was clearly an unspoken demand. I don't see why people are being so intentionally obtuse about this and trying to twist facts for no reason. This is about controversial fan opinions, not lying about the past history.
- Still think it would've been more effective if Gwen Stacy stayed dead dead. No multiverse, no Spider-Gwen, just a loving but painful memory for Peter.
- I know people love the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon, but God I loathed the designs and the look of the characters.
- I would love an animated series with maturity akin to the PS games with a grown Peter dealing with rent, marital life with MJ, getting older and protecting the city. Enough of the high school shit.