STORM Joins the Avengers

[Gripstir]

Im fine with all of this and I’m a beacon of self confidence.
But then again, I’m a happily 40something year old man.

Yeah but we never discuss really the fact older male fans often gatekeep comics and prefer female characters because it's less intimidating than trying to relate to younger male characters who many older fans seem more judgemental on. We often talk about these issues in terms of race ot gender but we rarely talk about the agist approach of using older legacy character who is meant to sacrifice or retire to put over a new alternative. The previous poster indicated the issue is about "a few female characters" when that's not the issue. It's the tropes and trends used in stories meant to squash male characters future potential.

I know many older fans consider Logan to be their favorite movie because of its Gran Torino type sacrifice story. Maybe cause I'm not at that age where I need to face my mortality yet but I just find those kind of stories insulting. It doesn't even have to be Death it can retirement or becoming a mentor. And unfortunately it's the only kind of story older male fans are willing to support for male characters

[Winter_fury]

Heck no. After all the shit the fanbase had thrown at Wanda, she deserves better than going back to the X-men franchise. She is way better without that toxicity.

Nah keep her she will always be the pretender

[Gripstir]

Which is funny because it's clear they are pivoting back to positioning Storm as their Wonder Woman after years of pushing Carol into that spot, only for floppage

Storm is a better character than Captain Marvel to be fair

[OG Storm]

Kinda odd how people talk about Cyclops when the topic is about Storm joining the Avengers.
Is there some jealousy or what?

I think it's longing. They don't want what storm is getting they want rightlclops and since storm is getting this push they want to hook up with that same energy.

[Saturius]

Kinda odd how people talk about Cyclops when the topic is about Storm joining the Avengers.
Is there some jealousy or what?

It doesn't even make sense. Storm was shunted off in her own corner during Krakoa with Arrako and Cyke didn't magically take center stage cause she was out of the way. Wanting her to be gone so he can take prominence is silly as hell. One doesn't have anything to do with the other.

[Nyssane]

Storm has always been Marvel's Wonder Woman

True, but Marvel really pushed Carol hard from 2005-2020ish. They kept trying solo title after solo title with nothing catching the overall fanbase's attention. It's refreshing to see them recognizing just how important Storm is as Marvel's leading lady.

[Winter_fury]

Cyclops was at his best when both Jean, Xavier and storm weren’t around. So it looks promising right know.

[OG Storm]

Yeah but we never discuss really the fact older male fans often gatekeep comics and prefer female characters because it's less intimidating than trying to relate to younger male characters who many older fans seem more judgemental on. We often talk about these issues in terms of race ot gender but we rarely talk about the agist approach of using older legacy character who is meant to sacrifice or retire to put over a new alternative. The previous poster indicated the issue is about "a few female characters" when that's not the issue. It's the tropes and trends used in stories meant to squash male characters future potential.

I know mistakes older fans consider Logan to be their favorite movie because of its Gran Torino type sacrifice story. Maybe cause I'm not at that age where I need to face my mortality yet but I just find those kind of stories insulting. It doesn't even have to be Death it can retirement or becoming a mentor. And unfortunately it's the only kind of story older male fans are willing to support for male characters

Just a suggestion, make a thread about that. Storm joining the Avengers has nothing to do with that.

[DragonsChi]

True, but Marvel really pushed Carol hard from 2005-2020ish. They kept trying solo title after solo title with nothing catching the overall fanbase's attention. It's refreshing to see them recognizing just how important Storm is as Marvel's leading lady.

This!

It was always a stupid move to push Storm aside for Carol. Nothing wrong with Carol before the push but they were literally starting from the ground level with that character and thought they would force the fanbase into falling in love with her. When they had a couple of SOILD Female leads already they could have worked with and moved around that would have had traction. They would have already had their “Staring Female” lead by now in the mind of comic fans and normies if they would have just went with her from the beginning.


I know…I know.. the whole mutant ban bs comes into play but real creatives would have figured it out.

[Frontier]

If Wanda and Vizh can be on a team together without drama then so can T'Challa and Storm. I don't McKay will be concerned about re-igniting any romances.

It would be nice to see them written civily towards each other compared to the last few years.

(I'm still waiting for Wanda and Vision to hook up again...)

Oof. The anti-X shade in the announcement ... she's too big to be on an X-team, so we "upgraded" her to the Alex role in Avengers.

I hate thwm saying she needs to be among equals. The X-men are her equals and her Family its just the Avengers. And them saying she csnt be on a xteam if she isn tthe leader. Have they read Xmen she has followed Cyclops alot. They are using the Goddess line more then they should. Inwish she was on one of the 3 X-men books to be honest

Yeah, that was kind of condescending. Like she didn't hit the "big time" until she joined The Avengers or there aren't X-Teams she could easily be on.

Which is funny because it's clear they are pivoting back to positioning Storm as their Wonder Woman after years of pushing Carol into that spot, only for floppage

For the record the team she's joining has Carol as the leader.

[Gripstir]

True, but Marvel really pushed Carol hard from 2005-2020ish. They kept trying solo title after solo title with nothing catching the overall fanbase's attention. It's refreshing to see them recognizing just how important Storm is as Marvel's leading lady.

To be fair everything in the 2010s was Kevin Feige setting up what he wanted the next generation of MCU to be and we got that all new all different thing

[Gripstir]

Just a suggestion, make a thread about that. Storm joining the Avengers has nothing to do with that.

It does have a bit to do with it due to backstage politics of the company but I also don't want it to seem like I'm bashing Storm either. Love her glad she's on Avengers

[skyvolt2000]

True, but Marvel really pushed Carol hard from 2005-2020ish. They kept trying solo title after solo title with nothing catching the overall fanbase's attention. It's refreshing to see them recognizing just how important Storm is as Marvel's leading lady.

That is not exactly true.

She held at least 2 50 issue runs.

Some of her trades (mainly the Kelly Sue DeConnick era that dominate trade sales).

Also some of those runs were stopped due to Marvel events that derailed other books as well.

Folks want to toss that false narrative with her but not MOON KNIGHT-where folks joked about his runs restarting over and over again as well.

[Dipter]

She’s going to eat Carol up and leave no crumbs

[ChildOfTheAtom]

It does have a bit to do with it due to backstage politics of the company but I also don't want it to seem like I'm bashing Storm either. Love her glad she's on Avengers

only thing im not liking is the public ovation of her not being on the X-MEN anymore like their beneath her. guess avengers really are the superior franchise in everyone mind :-(