All purpose news and politics thread part VII: News & Politics Total Landscaping

[aja_christopher]

Majority of American's are seeing trump as more successful than Biden. Aggregate pollster, 538, has been showing trump's approval ratings higher than Biden's started on day 808 of Biden's presidency. I hope the dems are paying attention to Biden's unfavourability and have a plan for it.

At what point are you going to hold Americans accountable for their choices?

Visit other public forums and you will see many simply prefer Trump’s agenda -- they do not support climate change legislation, police reform, abortion rights, voting accessibility, LGBT visibility, or DACA.

With that in mind instead of focusing on polls just let people vote instead of worrying like the last two times when Democrats overperformed.

80-90% of black people vote against Trump -- yet people ask why black people don't do more instead of asking why others are doing less.

Millions more Americans vote for Hillary and Biden -- yet people don't ask why Americans accept a political system that clearly allows for the tyranny of a white nationalist minority.

Democrats are clearly the more popular candidates so that is not the issue -- the issue is a system that consistently awards the presidency and power to less preferred Republican candidates.

The article in the link literally states exactly what steps the Biden administration is taking to address the issue -- instead of wondering if they have a plan you could just read what you are posting.

[CaptainEurope]

Breaking news says the Slovakian PM Robert Fico has been shot in his gut.

A few weeks ago me and Catlady reported about Fico winning the election on a pro-Russia, no aid for Ukraine platform.

[Mister Mets]

Biden has called for two debates with Trump, although not the way the commission called for it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/15/u...p-debates.html

Mr. Biden and his top aides want the debates to start much sooner than the dates proposed by the Commission on Presidential Debates, so voters can see the two candidates side by side well before early voting begins in September. They want the debate to occur inside a TV studio, with microphones that automatically cut off when a speaker’s time limit elapses. And they want it to be just the two candidates and the moderator — without the raucous in-person audiences that Mr. Trump feeds on and without the participation of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. or other independent or third-party candidates.

The proposal suggests that Mr. Biden is willing to take some calculated risks to reverse his fortunes in a race in which most battleground-state polls show the president trailing Mr. Trump and struggling to persuade voters that he’s an effective leader and steward of the economy.

It is the first formal offer by the Biden campaign for debates with Mr. Trump, who has declared repeatedly that he will debate his successor “anytime and anywhere,” and has demanded as many debates as possible. Mr. Biden recently indicated he would debate Mr. Trump, but had until now declined to give any firm commitment or specific details.

The letter, signed by Mr. Biden’s campaign chair, Jennifer O’Malley Dillon, and addressed to the Commission on Presidential Debates, notifies the group that Mr. Biden will not be participating in the three general-election debates sponsored by the commission, which are scheduled for Sept. 16, Oct. 1 and Oct. 9.

It is a striking decision for Mr. Biden, an institutionalist who has tried to preserve the traditions of Washington.

Instead, Ms. O’Malley Dillon writes in the letter that Mr. Biden will participate in debates hosted by news organizations. Mr. Biden has also recorded a video to reaffirm his intent to debate Mr. Trump. The move opens the doors for the Biden team and potentially the Trump team to negotiate directly with networks — and with one another — for possible debates.

Mr. Trump, in his response to the letter, said he would like to see more than two debates and for “excitement purposes, a very large venue.” He accused Mr. Biden of being “afraid of crowds.”

Ms. O’Malley Dillon suggested that the first debate be held in late June, by which time Mr. Trump’s New York criminal trial should be completed and after Mr. Biden returns from the Group of 7 summit meetings with other heads of state.

A second presidential debate should be held “in early September at the start of the fall campaign season, early enough to influence early voting, but not so late as to require the candidates to leave the campaign trail in the critical late September and October period,” she writes.

The Biden campaign also proposes that one vice-presidential debate be held in late July after Mr. Trump and his running mate are formally nominated at the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee.

Earlier, there was speculation that Biden wouldn't want a debate since Trump is so obnoxious and rejected debates for the primary.

A good showing will obviously be helpful for Biden.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Majority of American's are seeing trump as more successful than Biden. Aggregate pollster, 538, has been showing trump's approval ratings higher than Biden's started on day 808 of Biden's presidency. I hope the dems are paying attention to Biden's unfavourability and have a plan for it.

Trump? Successful? Based on what? Giving tax breaks to the wealthy? Taking away a woman's right to choose? Fumbling the COVID crisis which needlessly killed hundreds of thousands? Being an absolute idiot when it came to foreign affairs? Fomenting division and enabling hate to become mainstream, especially after his horrid "both sides" comment in Charlottesville? Did Trump build his wall? NO! Did Trump pass badly needed infrastructure legislation? NO! The people who approve of Trump are either right leaning, straight up ignorant, or MAGA Maggots for whom he can do no wrong, even as he made a mockery of the presidency. Give me a break!

[achilles]

Breaking news says the Slovakian PM Robert Fico has been shot in his gut.

A few weeks ago me and Catlady reported about Fico winning the election on a pro-Russia, no aid for Ukraine platform.

Reports are he's in "Life threatening condition". He was pro-Putin and against arming Ukraine. No word on if that played a part in the assassination attempt.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Trump was successful in that nostalga is the worst drug ever

[Username taken]

Trump was successful in that nostalga is the worst drug ever

Yeah, the "Trump amnesia" is a terrible thing.

Trump's legacy was multitudes of dead people due to COVID.

Apparently the tumult of the last few years of the Trump presidency didn't happen in the minds of millions of Americans.

[Username taken]

At what point are you going to hold Americans accountable for their choices?

Visit other public forums and you will see many simply prefer Trump’s agenda -- they do not support climate change legislation, police reform, abortion rights, voting accessibility, LGBT visibility, or DACA.

With that in mind instead of focusing on polls just let people vote instead of worrying like the last two times when Democrats overperformed.

80-90% of black people vote against Trump -- yet people ask why black people don't do more instead of asking why others are doing less.

Millions more Americans vote for Hillary and Biden -- yet people don't ask why Americans accept a political system that clearly allows for the tyranny of a white nationalist minority.

Democrats are clearly the more popular candidates so that is not the issue -- the issue is a system that consistently awards the presidency and power to less preferred Republican candidates.

The article in the link literally states exactly what steps the Biden administration is taking to address the issue -- instead of wondering if they have a plan you could just read what you are posting.

Quoted in agreement.

The only group that votes around 80-90-% democrat are African-Americans. Regardless of what any polls say now, I don't expect that to change during election day. Why aren't other groups of voters not bothered by a Trump return?

It can't be one group of voters job to "save democracy". The rise of Trump has completely dispelled the myth of the "post civil rights" liberal generation. Trump's greatest support is amongst millienials which says a lot about society.

[kidfresh512]

17% of Voters Blame Biden for the End of Roe

Nearly one in five voters in battleground states says that President Biden is responsible for ending the constitutional right to abortion, a new poll found, despite the fact that he supports abortion rights and that his opponent Donald J. Trump appointed three Supreme Court justices who made it possible to overturn Roe v. Wade.

Trump supporters and voters with less education were most likely to attribute responsibility for abortion bans to Mr. Biden, but the misperception existed across demographic groups. Twelve percent of Democrats hold Mr. Biden responsible, according to New York Times/Siena College polls in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada and Wisconsin and a Times/Philadelphia Inquirer/Siena poll in Pennsylvania.

“I think the buck stops with him, so he had the ability to fight that, and that’s not what I’m hearing that he did,” said Terri Yonemura, 62, an abortion rights supporter in Las Vegas who said she would not vote for Mr. Trump, but is unsure about Mr. Biden, so may not vote at all.

Many voters who held Mr. Biden responsible said they simply didn’t pay close attention to politics or government affairs. For some, the confusion came from the fact that the Supreme Court’s Dobbs decision happened while Mr. Biden was president.

But she said she was under the impression that Mr. Biden was responsible because it happened during his presidency, and she believed his age prevented him from closely tracking such events.

Other voters said Mr. Biden hadn’t done enough to stop state abortion bans. (He has criticized the Dobbs decision and enacted certain federal policies to support abortion rights, and does not have the authority to reverse state laws.)

“There should be no restrictions on abortion whatsoever,” said Ana Juarez Ramirez, 18, of Nogales, Ariz. Yet he says Mr. Biden made empty promises on many issues, including abortion.

“Biden did not fully criticize or condemn the taking away of people’s rights,” he said. Still, he plans to vote for Mr. Biden, mostly because, he said, “I don’t even want to think about voting for Trump.”

Ultimately, though, she said the economy was her more pressing concern. When voters were asked for the one issue most important to them in the election, the largest share of respondents, 21 percent, said the economy. Abortion and immigration were next, with just over 10 percent saying each was most important.

Even though this was more specifically about Abortion. I think it goes to the larger issue we have talked about many times. And that is the ignorance of the electorate in general. I mean it explains a lot of these poll numbers honestly. This selective amnesia about Trumps term.

And then the complete disregard of reality for what Biden is and is not responsible for. I mean granted we are more 'checked in' with news and politics than average people. Anyone participating regularly on a forum like we are and reading and sharing news and debating the politics of the day clearly are more interested and will have more accurate grasp for the most part on what the reality of the news is.

But, at this point if you do not understand how government works on a basic civics level like a lot of these people. Who are kindly in most of these polls are referred to as "voters with less education". All that can be done is try and beat back the noise of what the media chooses to focus on. Air adds on social media, TV, anywhere you could possibly reach these people. Trumps own words taking responsibility. Over and over again.

While the rest of the media focuses on Biden's age, while ignoring Trumps incoherent ramblings and victim conferences outside his various courtrooms.

[kidfresh512]

Quoted in agreement.

The only group that votes around 80-90-% democrat are African-Americans. Regardless of what any polls say now, I don't expect that to change during election day. Why aren't other groups of voters not bothered by a Trump return?

It can't be one group of voters job to "save democracy". The rise of Trump has completely dispelled the myth of the "post civil rights" liberal generation. Trump's greatest support is amongst millienials which says a lot about society.

Exactly. Why are any women voting for a complete misogynist, a serial cheat. He has no respect for his wives, he has a massive judgement against him for rape. He took full credit for ending Roe and says the states should decide. Which means he owns the archaic bans and bounties these states have put on women. Against IVF, what they plan to do with birth control. And possibly the federal implications if GOP get control again to get around blue states who are trying to protect women.

Dems should definitely still be reaching out in a real and tangible way for miniorities because of that steadfast support. But, at the end of the day if Trump wins it wont be Black people's fault.

[Tuck]

Trump supporters and voters with less education were most likely to attribute responsibility for abortion bans to Mr. Biden

Heh, maybe some super PAC should find a way to use this to Biden's advantage.

[shooshoomanjoe]

Heh, maybe some super PAC should find a way to use this to Biden's advantage.

trump even called his supporters the poorly educated but I don't think they understood what that meant.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Yeah, the "Trump amnesia" is a terrible thing.

Trump's legacy was multitudes of dead people due to COVID.

Apparently the tumult of the last few years of the Trump presidency didn't happen in the minds of millions of Americans.

Covid robbed us all of the chance to otherwise see how Trump would crash our economy

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Exactly. Why are any women voting for a complete misogynist, a serial cheat. He has no respect for his wives, he has a massive judgement against him for rape. He took full credit for ending Roe and says the states should decide. Which means he owns the archaic bans and bounties these states have put on women. Against IVF, what they plan to do with birth control. And possibly the federal implications if GOP get control again to get around blue states who are trying to protect women.

Why? Well, ever since 2015, we've seen that there's scores of women out there who just plain don't care that Trump is literally the scum of the earth, a lot of that boils down to the reason I repeat here ad nauseum about why people support him----HATE. Trump hates who they hate (minorities, immigrants, gays), and that makes him a hero in their eyes, regardless of how he treats women. To put on my amateur psychologist hat, perhaps all those harridans see in Trump is the media mogul, the billionaire "businessman", the flashy TV star and long to be in his orbit, especially in the case of women who have little joy in their lives and live vicariously through him. These are the women all too willing to vote against their own interests because they've gulped down the Kool-Aid, and, in Trumpworld, it's MAGA first, gender a distant second.

[Robotman]

New Marist poll:



Two weeks ago, it was
Biden 50% (+2)
Trump 48%

The National (popular vote) poll doesn’t mean much. Biden could, and probably will, win the popular vote by a few million but our godawful system makes that meaningless. What happens in the swing states is all that matters. Biden is seemingly far behind in some very important swing states.