What are your opinions for what DC should do after Future state? should they relaunch, reboot or continue as normal?
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What are your opinions for what DC should do after Future state? should they relaunch, reboot or continue as normal?
Yara and the disabled speedster sticking around... oh that's not what you're asking
Well we know they're not gonna bother with fixing any timeline and just gonna continue with the chaos on that point
I want a Relaunch personally because I always give a chance with each new Relaunch up until things get annoying and I can't get immersed anymore, but at this point, I'm ready to just Pick The Story By The Writer, since that seems to be what they're going for
May I offer something to the whole omniverse/multiverse idea of continuity, that being what I would consider a buffet plan. They should release books, both physical and digital, on every book should be a little flag or banner that designates the earth the series is on. You want Freedom Fighters, that’s earth 10, Calvin Ellis earth-23, and just designate a new world to the Future State characters.
That way a large group of books you can designate as prime which will let people know that is main continuity and anything else is an Elseworld and if they like a specific elseworld story all they need to do is find the books with that earth designation on it.
I do not know what I want to happen.
I think I have abandoned all hope for DC comics. :(
[QUOTE=sifighter;5243816]May I offer something to the whole omniverse/multiverse idea of continuity, that being what I would consider a buffet plan. They should release books, both physical and digital, on every book should be a little flag or banner that designates the earth the series is on. You want Freedom Fighters, that’s earth 10, Calvin Ellis earth-23, and just designate a new world to the Future State characters.
That way a large group of books you can designate as prime which will let people know that is main continuity and anything else is an Elseworld and if they like a specific elseworld story all they need to do is find the books with that earth designation on it.[/QUOTE]
That's what I wanted ever since they published Multiversity and they did that with every Earth! Why do they never do that for every book!
I think things will just continue as normal.
Then again, I'm not as clued into DC as most People, so I don't know for sure.
What DC need to do is sort themselves out, they need a group of People to go 'this is what we're doing, this is where DC is at and this is what we hope to do in the next 5 years'
All I know is, I'm probably going to continue with Green Lantern after Morrison. If Bendis gets a Batman ongoing, I'll sure as hell read that and maybe if Green Arrow relaunches, I'll check that out.
[QUOTE=sifighter;5243816]May I offer something to the whole omniverse/multiverse idea of continuity, that being what I would consider a buffet plan. They should release books, both physical and digital, on every book should be a little flag or banner that designates the earth the series is on. You want Freedom Fighters, that’s earth 10, Calvin Ellis earth-23, and just designate a new world to the Future State characters.
That way a large group of books you can designate as prime which will let people know that is main continuity and anything else is an Elseworld and if they like a specific elseworld story all they need to do is find the books with that earth designation on it.[/QUOTE]
Yes, please.
I'm honestly at the point where most of the stories I favor are either Elseworlds or may as well be when they haven't been entirely retconned as not having happened at all. So having the possibility to read more about the versions I love of characters I usually can't stand would be great.
Special mention for a New 52 Earth which starts with Superbro not dying of Space Cancer and not joined by the hips to Lois Lane, please.
Good stories with characters I like.
Throw some attention to B-List fan-fav characters sitting in limbo.
NO big Crisis type storylines that try to "fix" continuity. DC obviously can't do it properly.
Full return to pre-Flashpoint timeline but that isn't going to happen.
I want the JSA (and all related characters) back in existence, and hopefully still able to interact with main universe characters so we don't lose the Hal and Alan dynamic or especially Ray and Carter's friendship.
I don't want the line being reduced to just Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman and everyone else is forced into being supporting characters to them, but if it did happen I would want every single character I like to be in the Superman and Wonder Woman series, barred from ever appearing in Batman. Unfortunately I feel like we're going to end up with a massively reduced line with even characters like Aquaman being in limbo for long periods.
Maybe some good books so I can read DC Comics regularly again
hopefully completing the integration of pre-Flashpoint elements into the current canon so we can once and for all put to rest this era of blockbuster revision stories and events.
I also REALLY hope that we'll see less old names in this new era of stories; more fresh creators coming out of Future State taking over main continuity titles.
Relaunch.
Lose the doom, gloom and angst that swept over DC more than two decades ago and reinstall the fun.
Give your characters a chance to shine. Take a swing at some out of the box characters!
A Global Guardians mini series!
A JSA title.
Explore the DCU universe outside of the GLC. It's a big old universe, let's see more of it than we have over the last 20 years.
Just good comics that are able to use [I]all[/I] the toys in the toy box for once without certain ones being deemed off-limits because of whatever transitory continuity editorial is stupidly trying to impose.
Just let good creators tell good stories and let the fans sort out how it all fits together.
I think it's time for that next great Animal Man series.
Ongoings or some kind of regular presence for the JSA, the Teen Titans, Green Arrow, Young Justice, The Question, Black Canary, Deathstroke, Martian Manhunter, Jessica Cruz, Batwoman, Supergirl, and Swamp Thing.
A second "season" of Spurrier and Campbell on Hellblazer.
Projects from Francis Manapul, Sam Humphries, Si Spurrier, Robert Venditti, Mark Waid, Jody Houser, Kelly Sue DeConnick, Steve Lieber, and Christopher Priest.
Definitely a relaunch. DC has been so stagnant since Doomsday Clock.
The only thing I’d like to see after Future State is a Wonder Girl book starring Yara. Maybe they can do another mini series with Tim Fox as Batman. But none of the other characters or concepts interest me that much. Titans Academy seems like a knockoff of X Men and countless other books and movies but I’m all for it if it allows some of DC’s under utilized young heroes a chance to appear in a monthly.
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;5243818]That's what I wanted ever since they published Multiversity and they did that with every Earth! Why do they never do that for every book![/QUOTE]
Think the big issue here would be ... like numbering volumes.
People will be only interest in one of the earths, stories only from that universe.
DC dont want you just getting stuck on one earth.
They want you collecting all the stories.
Of the Future State characters/settings, only Yara I don't really have issue with. Mostly. Only that there are a couple other Wonder Girls already that barely have anything to do with Diana now, aside from that.... Seeing a younger Yara end up with Super Sons (make it Super Kids), with Jon back as a kid, could be interesting.
Along with others, stop the doom and gloom parade. Its what drove me from most series I was following in Rebirth (mid-Rebirth, there was a big tonal change through most series). Stop re-writing the same stories, only marginally different too. We don't need Tower of Babel 59, Judas Contract 87, or any of those other kinds of things.
Plus, there's nothing wrong with a fun adventure story too.
[QUOTE=Menacer;5244730]Think the big issue here would be ... like numbering volumes.
People will be only interest in one of the earths, stories only from that universe.
DC dont want you just getting stuck on one earth.
They want you collecting all the stories.[/QUOTE]
I mean dc used to do it all the time back in the day with stories like crisis on multiple earths or earth 3 or Earth X. Honestly if we look at things now dc has been pretty loose about multiverse and time travel. All they would have to do is set up a crossover “the Justice Incarnate will team up with the green lantern corps this week to save their worlds” or something like that.
Besides I would also argue that a lot of stories that people like now take place on alternative earths, such as White Knight, Injustice, DCeased, Freedom Fighters, various Black Label books such as Wonder Woman Dead Earth, the upcoming Milestone books, or just out of continuity digital series. That’s just counting new series, not even old ones such as Kingdom come or Dark Knight returns.
But you’re right they will probably have issues if they do stuff like relaunching a book if it doesn’t differentiate itself in anyway via title.
Isn't FUTURE STATE essentially an extended "Elseworlds" project while the old status quo soldiers on separately? I view it almost like an updated take on KINGDOM COME.
[color=red]Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)[/color]
I would also like to have adult superman stories with jon,yara,..etc as future tales.Like there used to be books on superman/boy,wondergirl/woman..etc at the same time.The thing a gonna miss my kind of superman.A bit literal in this case.but finally superman embracing what he is supposed to represent allegorically.A gladiator who breaks chains for the little guy.
[IMG]https://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/breaking-chains/shuster-chains.jpg[/IMG]
"I fight for those who can't fight for themselves"
[QUOTE=Buried Alien;5244834]Isn't FUTURE STATE essentially an extended "Elseworlds" project while the old status quo soldiers on separately? I view it almost like an updated take on KINGDOM COME.
[color=red]Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)[/color][/QUOTE]
I think it's more DC dipping its toe into what 5G was meant to be to see if there's actually a market for any of these concepts and, if so, they'll either reintroduce them into the main DCU or spin them off into their own imprint.
Me, I wouldn’t mind a reboot if it means REALLY starting over.
[QUOTE=Rod G;5244910]Me, I wouldn’t mind a reboot if it means REALLY starting over.[/QUOTE]
I think at least part of the draw of the material is the reference purchase...
You read a totally new story but characters in the stories reference some old arc, event or moment...
I cant tell you how many times ive investigated old stories and bought loads of old books simply on a quick reference in a new story.
Dc would likely never start totally fresh as they want the new books to cause you to read old books.
If your a new reader and Robin off hand mentions knightfall, it makes you wanna check out the old story
...
At least it does for me...
I have a hard time believing DC is just gonna bomb decades of stories for a risky fresh start...
[QUOTE=Menacer;5244920]I think at least part of the draw of the material is the reference purchase...
You read a totally new story but characters in the stories reference some old arc, event or moment...
I cant tell you how many times ive investigated old stories and bought loads of old books simply on a quick reference in a new story.
Dc would likely never start totally fresh as they want the new books to cause you to read old books.
If your a new reader and Robin off hand mentions knightfall, it makes you wanna check out the old story
...
At least it does for me...
I have a hard time believing DC is just gonna bomb decades of stories for a risky fresh start...[/QUOTE]
TBF if your names weren't Batman or Green Lantern your stories were effectively removed from canon with the creation of the new 52. For the other lines, it was essentially a new start. The problem I have with it was that it wasn't a line-wide fresh start
Respect for Conner Kent
[QUOTE=Menacer;5244730]Think the big issue here would be ... like numbering volumes.
People will be only interest in one of the earths, stories only from that universe.
DC dont want you just getting stuck on one earth.
They want you collecting all the stories.[/QUOTE]
They're publishing 52 issues... wait, 36... I mean, basically, most of their publication is for Earth-1 and the rest only have 1 issues each. Sometimes. So most people are buying Earth-1 books regardless. The label just makes it easier and you don't have to ask fans or comic owners... hey is this canon?
First and foremost, just good self contained stories. Continuity be damned. I think we've gotten to the point where a serialized inter connected continuity that also doesn't want to age up any of its characters has done all it can. So just do stories that can take place in any time frame or continuity where everything is on the table to be either used or discarded. Preferably in 12-issue chunks as that is the optimal length for an evergreen seller when its collected. And if there needs to be more, follow it up with a 6-12 issue sequel by the same creator. But don't cross over with anything else.
Let's allow for a married Superman with a kid, or stories set in his younger days. Have one skew closer to the post-Crisis model while another is the pre-Crisis model. Give us Wonder Woman's equivalent to "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow/Caped Crusader" that can be picked up without any required knowledge beyond the broad stuff. Give us a book with a more streamlined Batman with just Dick as Robin, and another book(s) for the bigger Bat-Family and maybe when Bruce is retired/dead. A Flash book that stars Barry while another that stars Waid-era Wally. Barbara as Batgirl or as Oracle with the Birds of Prey and Cass as Batgirl, etc.
Any ongoing books should not have crossovers/events that hijack it. That has never resulted in anything good. All the best classic runs and evergreen self contained stories have minimal or no crossovers for a reason.
I just want good stories about my favorite characters, from creators who also like them. No universe/multiverse/omniverse shakeups (followed by a bunch of #1's) necessary.
Is that so much to ask for?? :p
[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;5245683]
Any ongoing books should not have crossovers/events that hijack it. That has never resulted in anything good. All the best classic runs and evergreen self contained stories have minimal or no crossovers for a reason.[/QUOTE]
While I completely agree with this statement personally, the numbers disagree unfortunately. Events and their related tie-ins continue to result in the highest selling books, year in and year out. No matter how overhyped and mediocre they are *coughdeathmetalcough* :(
I'd like what one of the current rumors are, to continue forward but continuity itself isn't really a thing and all individual titles can tell stories/arcs dependent really on only themselves.
[QUOTE=SJNeal;5245753]While I completely agree with this statement personally, the numbers disagree unfortunately. Events and their related tie-ins continue to result in the highest selling books, year in and year out. No matter how overhyped and mediocre they are *coughdeathmetalcough* :([/QUOTE]
Yeah I know it's naïve and the numbers back that up. It's unfortunate though, because most of them are either just mediocre or painfully stupid.
Even one I'm enjoying, X of Swords, doesn't seem like it needed to be a crossover and may have been better not being one. I've really only read the Creation and Stasis one shots and don't feel like I missed out on anything too important between them,
I want a well thought out universe. In the late 80s through the early 2000s, DC was easy to read and it was, for the most part, a well oiled machine. If criminal A died in a book, there would have to be an explanation of how he/she appeared in another title three months later. I want it to make frickin sense. It isn’t hard. There’s nothing wrong with slight tweaks, but I just want the laziness to stop.
[QUOTE=Superfly Frankenstein;5246306]I want a well thought out universe. In the late 80s through the early 2000s, DC was easy to read and it was, for the most part, a well oiled machine. If criminal A died in a book, there would have to be an explanation of how he/she appeared in another title three months later. I want it to make frickin sense. It isn’t hard. There’s nothing wrong with slight tweaks, but I just want the laziness to stop.[/QUOTE]
Sorry. DC does not do "well thought out" anything.
I'm vague about how far a Relaunch can go before it becomes a Reboot. Anyway, what I would like most is for DC to un-cancel the Spurrier Hellblazer. Next, I would like an actual Lois Lane miniseries, to make up for the Rucka one in which the eponymous character played a supporting role to the Question. I would also like DC to try to repair some of the damage that they have done to the character of Doctor Fate in recent years. I miss Kent and Inza.
[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;5245789]Yeah I know it's naïve and the numbers back that up. It's unfortunate though, because most of them are either just mediocre or painfully stupid.
Even one I'm enjoying, X of Swords, doesn't seem like it needed to be a crossover and may have been better not being one. I've really only read the Creation and Stasis one shots and don't feel like I missed out on anything too important between them,[/QUOTE]
I've heard a lot of...mixed feelings about X of Swords.
[QUOTE=Frontier;5247312]I've heard a lot of...mixed feelings about X of Swords.[/QUOTE]
Hasn't that been, like, 20 something issues? Seems like a chore.
[QUOTE=Frontier;5247312]I've heard a lot of...mixed feelings about X of Swords.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Flash Gordon;5247387]Hasn't that been, like, 20 something issues? Seems like a chore.[/QUOTE]
Seems to be finishing strong based on some of the reactions on the X-boards, if overly long/padded.
I'm annoyed we apparently won't be getting a trade with just Hickman's X-Men issues + Creation, Stasis and Destruction as those are the only ones I care to read.
I've been an avid reader of the entire XOS saga, and generally I have so much good will toward what Hickman has done with the X world that I've probably forgiven a lot of the gaffs that other fans rightfully highlight.
Having said that, I don't know. I'm a bit behind in my reading due to my subscription settings, but it took 15 books to get to the first sword fight, and when it did ... well. I can't help but feel like, despite a few bad reads, the meticulous set-up is now being blown by some seriously oddball narrative choices. Still, I have faith in Hickman and I like a good cerebral story so I'm hoping for some insane developments at the latest stage of the game.
More topically, for DC? It's hard to say. I wanted to see the DCU we would have had right out of Doomsday Clock. We're getting shades of it, but things seem totally amess and the Corporate crap happening doesn't bode well. I've read all of those threads and it's stressful to see what's going on. As a dedicated fan of C and B list characters, I feel like what I want to see most is what we'll see the least of. Meanwhile, characters I'd like to see vanish like Superboy Prime keep shoe horning themselves into the proceedings. I love DC, always will, and I have hope, but my expectations are low as she goes right now.
Side note, as a die hard metal head and metal musician, Death Metal is frustrating. Great DC references, but how about some actual death metal? I almost laughed myself out of my chair when I saw that Rise Against is being featured on some kind of "sound track" for it. If that's death metal, ABBA is Swedish 2nd wave black metal.
[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;5247435]Seems to be finishing strong based on some of the reactions on the X-boards, if overly long/padded.
I'm annoyed we apparently won't be getting a trade with just Hickman's X-Men issues + Creation, Stasis and Destruction as those are the only ones I care to read.[/QUOTE]
That event doesn't make sense without at least the Excalibur issues.