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[QUOTE=SUPERECWFAN1;4464294]In watching the clips of Kevin Owens/Shane McMahon its like the company is trying to recreate Austin vs McMahon but not realizing how or why Austin vs McMahon worked so well . In fact I'll run it down.
- Steve Austin was allowed to be the lone wild card tweener type til fans turned him face as we saw. In the Raw Reviews of 1997 I did Austin was busy giving Vince hell , giving Bret hell and more or less being a disruptive force of nature backstage at times. No one else ever said Vince and the WWF was holding anyone down. Only Bret Hart was angry over things but none of the roster ever called Vince out beyond Steve Austin who was being crazy.
- Also it was a slow build as we saw for Austin vs McMahon. It wasn't that the angle touched off ASAP. It had built through 1997 into 1998 as it exploded after Wrestlemania. The company laid ground work there.
- Kevin Owens should have started raising hell backstage and being his ROH self back there. Getting warned over his behavior at times by Shane. With Owens beating a camera man up and proclaiming , "I don't have to play anyones game anymore and ill do whatever the hell I want !"
If your trying to recreate the magic you have to build the angle to really take off. You have to lay ground work that Shane doesn't want Owens as World Champion and tries to create stipulations on the sly. Then once Owens wins the title shot at say...Royal Rumble he's supposed to admit as much as he doesn't think Owens fits the image of a WWE World champion. Owens basically goes to WAR against Shane after it.
Here its like within 2-3 weeks we see them decide to make Owens suddenly angry at Shane. He's delivering pipe bombs etc.[/QUOTE]
It's not the same as Austin vs McMahon, though. With Austin vs McMahon the story was that McMahon didn't want Austin as champion. In the case of KO vs Shane, Shane initially had no problem with KO... the problem was more that KO had a problem with Shane hogging up the TV time that he believed could be better utilized by other wrestlers. Yes, it's a story about an authority figure vs a wrestler, but the build is different because the issue is actually different. The title actually has nothing to do with it at this point... though I'll wager by Wrestlemania time that will figure into the mix as KO should be top Smackdown face by that point.
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G-1 2019 Standings
[B]A Block [/B]
T1. Kazuchika Okada 4
T1. KENTA 4
T1. Lance Archer 4
T2. Bad Luck Fale 2
T2. SANADA 2
T2. Will Ospreay 2
T2. EVIL 2
T3. Hiroshi Tanahashi 0
T3. Kota Ibushi 0
T3. Zack Sabre Jr. 0
[B]B Block [/B]
T1. Jon Moxley 4
T1. Juice Robinson 4
T1. Tomohiro Ishii 4
T2. Hirooki Goto 2
T2. Shingo Takagi 2
T2. Taichi 2
T2. Toru Yano 2
T3. Jay White 0
T3. Jeff Cobb 0
T3. Tetsuya Naito 0
BTW ... Ospreay vs. Ibushi is a MotY contender! I want MORE!
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Jay White and Ibushi not having any points makes me cry.
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[QUOTE=BeastieRunner;4464463]G-1 2019 Standings
[B]A Block [/B]
T1. Kazuchika Okada 4
T1. KENTA 4
T1. Lance Archer 4
T2. Bad Luck Fale 2
T2. SANADA 2
T2. Will Ospreay 2
T2. EVIL 2
T3. Hiroshi Tanahashi 0
T3. Kota Ibushi 0
T3. Zack Sabre Jr. 0
[B]B Block [/B]
T1. Jon Moxley 4
T1. Juice Robinson 4
T1. Tomohiro Ishii 4
T2. Hirooki Goto 2
T2. Shingo Takagi 2
T2. Taichi 2
T2. Toru Yano 2
T3. Jay White 0
T3. Jeff Cobb 0
T3. Tetsuya Naito 0
BTW ... Ospreay vs. Ibushi is a MotY contender! I want MORE![/QUOTE]
you're gonna need to update block A. KENTA and okada have 6 points now.
[QUOTE=Immortal Weapon;4464696]Jay White and Ibushi not having any points makes me cry.[/QUOTE]
ibushi beat ospray so he's on the board.
but i'm said ZSJ has no points yet. :(
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[quote]In watching the clips of Kevin Owens/Shane McMahon its like the company is trying to recreate Austin vs McMahon but not realizing how or why Austin vs McMahon worked so well . In fact I'll run it down.[/quote]
They're not trying to recreate it per se, I see it as a homage.
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[QUOTE=XPac;4464415]It's not the same as Austin vs McMahon, though. With Austin vs McMahon the story was that McMahon didn't want Austin as champion. In the case of KO vs Shane, Shane initially had no problem with KO... the problem was more that KO had a problem with Shane hogging up the TV time that he believed could be better utilized by other wrestlers. Yes, it's a story about an authority figure vs a wrestler, but the build is different because the issue is actually different. The title actually has nothing to do with it at this point... though I'll wager by Wrestlemania time that will figure into the mix as KO should be top Smackdown face by that point.[/QUOTE]
Well more or less Vince didn't want Austin to be the main star of the company (the title was part of that). But they slowly built the program to where both men were destined to clash. This seems like suddenly Owens felt this way , with no real build. No frustration at what is going on and him suddenly dropping "pipe bombs" etc.
[QUOTE=titanfan;4464756]They're not trying to recreate it per se, I see it as a homage.[/QUOTE]
If its a homage its a rush job in a sense. I said it years ago as Owens was a hot heel at the time he should have been pushed as this anti-hero role and feuded and beat every McMahon. After he did this ...they should have had him run through each one. (with HHH at Wrestlemania that year of 2018)
[video=youtube;Qp0J7P62NFU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp0J7P62NFU[/video]
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[QUOTE=master of read;4464709]you're gonna need to update block A. KENTA and okada have 6 points now.
ibushi beat ospray so he's on the board.
but i'm said ZSJ has no points yet. :([/QUOTE]
I hadn't finished tonight (today?) yet when I posted. UPDATED!
[B][U]G1 Climax 29 Standings[/U][/B]
[B]A Block[/B]
KENTA – 6
Kazuchika Okada – 6
Lance Archer – 4
EVIL – 4
Bad Luck Fale – 2
Kota Ibushi – 2
SANADA – 2
Will Ospreay – 2
Hiroshi Tanahashi – 2
Zack Sabre Jr. – 0
[B]B Block[/B]
Tomohiro Ishii – 4
Jon Moxley – 4
Juice Robinson – 4
Hirooki Goto – 2
Shingo Takagi – 2
Taichi – 2
Toru Yano – 2
Jeff Cobb – 0
Tetsuya Naito – 0
Jay White – 0
Sabre and White don't really need the rub of the G-1 as they seem to be over pretty well without much help.
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[QUOTE=SUPERECWFAN1;4464902]Well more or less Vince didn't want Austin to be the main star of the company (the title was part of that). But they slowly built the program to where both men were destined to clash. This seems like suddenly Owens felt this way , with no real build. No frustration at what is going on and him suddenly dropping "pipe bombs" etc.
If its a homage its a rush job in a sense. I said it years ago as Owens was a hot heel at the time he should have been pushed as this anti-hero role and feuded and beat every McMahon. After he did this ...they should have had him run through each one. (with HHH at Wrestlemania that year of 2018)
[video=youtube;Qp0J7P62NFU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp0J7P62NFU[/video][/QUOTE]
Given their history (Shane and KO had freaking Hell in the Cell against each other back in the day) it doesn't take MUCH build to justify him going off on Shane. Unlike Vince and Austin at the start, they're not starting from scratch here.
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[QUOTE=BeastieRunner;4464978]I hadn't finished tonight (today?) yet when I posted. UPDATED!
[B][U]G1 Climax 29 Standings[/U][/B]
[B]A Block[/B]
KENTA – 6
Kazuchika Okada – 6
Lance Archer – 4
EVIL – 4
Bad Luck Fale – 2
Kota Ibushi – 2
SANADA – 2
Will Ospreay – 2
Hiroshi Tanahashi – 2
Zack Sabre Jr. – 0
[B]B Block[/B]
Tomohiro Ishii – 4
Jon Moxley – 4
Juice Robinson – 4
Hirooki Goto – 2
Shingo Takagi – 2
Taichi – 2
Toru Yano – 2
Jeff Cobb – 0
Tetsuya Naito – 0
Jay White – 0
Sabre and White don't really need the rub of the G-1 as they seem to be over pretty well without much help.[/QUOTE]
he's still my boy.
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thanks beastie
[SIZE=3]but please no night 7 results (SAT. JULY. 20. 2019)axs tv [/SIZE]
[QUOTE=steve2275;4463875]1 4 17 part 1
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Japan_Pro-Wrestling_personnel[/url]
1 [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juice_Robinson[/url] vs [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cody_Rhodes[/url]
2 [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roppongi_Vice[/url] vs [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Bucks[/url]
defending the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IWGP_Junior_Heavyweight_Tag_Team_Championship[/url]
3 [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiromu_Takahashi[/url] (i hope hes doing better) vs [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yujiro_Kushida[/url]
defending the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IWGP_Junior_Heavyweight_Championship[/url][/QUOTE]
1 4 17 part 2
1 a [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yujiro_Takahashi[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Luck_Fale[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Page[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jado[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Ospreay[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshi-Hashi[/url]
1 b [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanada_(wrestler)[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_(wrestler)[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetsuya_Bushi[/url]
1 c [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Finlay_(wrestler)[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricochet_(wrestler)[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricochet_(wrestler)[/url]
2 [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirooki_Goto[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katsuyori_Shibata[/url] defending the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEVER_Openweight_Championship[/url]
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[SPOIL] Shingo just beat Taichi, so he has 4 points now. [/SPOIL]
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WWE wil try and recreate austin vs mackman until the end of time. it's pretty much all they know these days. and they still fuk that up.
[QUOTE=master of read;4464182]he was pretty creepy as sam shaw back in the day but as dexter lumis? dude turned it up to 12. as for in-ring work, he's improved. pulls off a few ricochet spots well and has some nice power moves thrown in. honestly? better than he was in TNA.[/QUOTE]
good to hear i'll have to check him out soon. pretty good artist too.
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[QUOTE=steve2275;4465661]thanks beastie
[SIZE=3]but please no night 7 results (SAT. JULY. 20. 2019)axs tv [/SIZE]
1 4 17 part 2
1 a [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yujiro_Takahashi[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Luck_Fale[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Page[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jado[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Ospreay[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshi-Hashi[/url]
1 b [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanada_(wrestler)[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_(wrestler)[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetsuya_Bushi[/url]
1 c [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Finlay_(wrestler)[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricochet_(wrestler)[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricochet_(wrestler)[/url]
2 [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirooki_Goto[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katsuyori_Shibata[/url] defending the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEVER_Openweight_Championship[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Punisher007;4466164][SPOIL] Shingo just beat Taichi, so he has 4 points now. [/SPOIL][/QUOTE]
I probably won't update till Monday/Tuesday.
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Watch the Moxley vs. Ishii match, it was freaking awesome.
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[QUOTE=Punisher007;4466709]Watch the Moxley vs. Ishii match, it was freaking awesome.[/QUOTE]
found it ill get to it
[url]https://www.wwe.com/shows/wwe-205-live/2019-07-23[/url]
WWE 205 Live preview, July 23, 2019: Huge 205 Live vs. NXT main event!
This Tuesday on WWE 205 Live, WWE Cruiserweight Champion Drew Gulak will battle NXT Superstar Isiah “Swerve” Scott in a special 205 Live vs. NXT non-title match. Plus, WWE 205 Live General Manager Drake Maverick and Mike Kanellis will sign their match contract.
1 4 17 part 3 on axs tv
1 [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomohiro_Ishii[/url] + [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toru_Yano[/url]
vs
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togi_Makabe[/url] + [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomoaki_Honma[/url]
vs
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrillas_of_Destiny[/url] defending the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IWGP_Tag_Team_Championship[/url]
2 [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshi_Tanahashi[/url] vs [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetsuya_Naito[/url] defending the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IWGP_Intercontinental_Championship[/url]
G1 29 axs tv 6 commercials in 2 hours
2300 arena in philly roh 7 20 19
commentators
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caprice_Coleman[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Cabana[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Riccaboni[/url]
4 corner survivival [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cobb[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Gresham[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalton_Castle_(wrestler)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_King_(wrestler[/url])
494 pounds soldiers of savagery
"Lifeblood" [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Haskins[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandido_(wrestler)[/url] + [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracy_Williams[/url] vs [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villain_Enterprises[/url]