Who has more.... PRIDE!?
Bonus: Arena fight. Full power Escanor vs Saiyan Saga Vegeta
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Who has more.... PRIDE!?
Bonus: Arena fight. Full power Escanor vs Saiyan Saga Vegeta
Is it pride or stupidity that makes Vegeta not realise his limitations during this era?
I think that'll be key to determining this pride off.
[QUOTE=Dark Soul # 7;4536942]Is it pride or stupidity that makes Vegeta not realise his limitations during this era?
I think that'll be key to determining this pride off.[/QUOTE]
Oh, the "pride" fight is current Vegeta.
[QUOTE=The Arbiter;4537033]Oh, the "pride" fight is current Vegeta.[/QUOTE]
Ahh, my misunderstanding.
That's more even. Though, Escanor's pride has never gotten in the way or hampered efforts to save the world. Vegeta still has to force that kind of thing. So it's probably Vegeta.
I mean ... Escanor has so much pride it earned him the position of "The Lion's Sin of Pride." It's so integral to who he is as a person, he's essentially just the personification of Pride at this point.
[QUOTE=Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh;4537044]I mean ... Escanor has so much pride it earned him the position of "The Lion's Sin of Pride." It's so integral to who he is as a person, he's essentially just the personification of Pride at this point.[/QUOTE]
But his pride has never been a deteriment to him, his friends or their fights.
Vegeta can still be problematic even now that he's too prideful.
[QUOTE=Dark Soul # 7;4537063]But his pride has never been a deteriment to him, his friends or their fights.
Vegeta can still be problematic even now that he's too prideful.[/QUOTE]
Yea, but the question is 'who has more', not how harmful it is ... and since Escanor is literally Pride, personified; figure that should be the end of it.
Vegeta is so prideful that the pride of a duplicate of Vegeta was so great it broke free of it's creator's control, punched out its creator, and challenged Goku to a fight because he wanted to beat Goku and prove himself better. And the real Vegeta, who was being erased from existence due to said duplicate, was pissed the duplicate was fighting Goku and flipped-flopped between wanting Goku to win and save him and wanting the duplicate Vegeta to win since it's still his image losing to Goku.
[QUOTE=Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh;4537087]Yea, but the question is 'who has more', not how harmful it is ... and since Escanor is literally Pride, personified; figure that should be the end of it.[/QUOTE]
My point is that Escanor isn't too prideful to accept assistance when needed. Vegeta generally is and that makes it seem like he has more pride, at least to me.
[QUOTE=Dark Soul # 7;4537139]My point is that Escanor isn't too prideful to accept assistance when needed. Vegeta generally is and that makes it seem like he has more pride, at least to me.[/QUOTE]
Hell, in the Broly movie, he basically said that he would sooner let the world be destroyed than fuse with Goku again until he brought up the glaring fact that his family would die as well.
Is not accepting help truly "pride" though, or just insecurity?
The fact that Escanor's pride isn't shaken even when he needs assistance or things don't go his way is why I give him the "win" in this category.
[QUOTE=The Dog;4537104]Vegeta is so prideful that the pride of a duplicate of Vegeta was so great it broke free of it's creator's control, punched out its creator, and challenged Goku to a fight because he wanted to beat Goku and prove himself better. And the real Vegeta, who was being erased from existence due to said duplicate, was pissed the duplicate was fighting Goku and flipped-flopped between wanting Goku to win and save him and wanting the duplicate Vegeta to win since it's still his image losing to Goku.[/QUOTE]
Those Super mini arcs are wild.
Escanor's speech against the vampire king was super epic though.
All reading this thread does is make me feel Vegeta has a lot of pride, but some level of insecurity, as morning mentioned. Or maybe, Vegeta is more prideful, to the point it truly is a vice, where as Escanor is probably as prideful as you can get without it obviously being to ones detriment.
Escanor almost never gives a shit, because he's awesome, and if you manage to make something happen, good for you, you still suck.
By contrast, any situation that Vegeta involves himself in usually results in him doing stupid things just to prove he's so awesome. I mean, there are exceptions, and he's grown out of most of it, but...Yeah.
I would say Vegeta is more prideful, but in the worst way and also has a level of insecurity that rivals it, and goes full toxic at its worst. Escanors concern is solely on himself in his inherent superiority, where as Vegeta goes out of his way to prove that he is superior, and anything that might slightly question it drives him nuts.
But, Escanor is pure, sweet, delicious pride.
For what it's worth, Escanor didn't spend most of his life under the thumb of a guy that could crush him like a gnat with the slightest thought, who had also swatted his entire race.
Now that Vegeta got people he cares about, he's a lot more mellow and comedic with his pride, being able to swallow it to try and entertain or train under Buu, while also being able to use his pride to super-boost his Super Saiyajin God powers to allow him to overpower a new-born God of Destruction and kinda-sorta keep pace with Jiren for a short while.