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[QUOTE=Daniel22;4018186]I was upset at the time, but I was like twelve. In hindsight I think my reaction was childish (which makes sense). If I read the same thing now I think I'd really like it. My tastes have changed quite a bit. I also have decades of experience that tells me that the original would surely return, and I'd be able to just enjoy the ride until that happened.[/QUOTE]
yeah, that's the interesting thing about polls like this...changing tastes and growth. the clone saga [I]seems [/I]to be one of those ones that some readers have mellowed on over the years (once peter's character was out of the "danger zone")
i actually hated the michelinie stuff as a kid but i've grown fond of it now. i've had the opposite experience with defalco. there is a strong element out there though that essentially want the same stuff they got as younger readers (which isn't a bad thing necessarily).
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Does the awkward period after Superior Spider-Man and before Spider-Verse count for anything? I really don't dislike any Spider-Man era from what I've read.
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[QUOTE=ngroove;4017276]One period I've highly disliked, was the Peter Parker / Mary Jane separation period, that began with MJ's "death" (Amazing Spider-Man Vol.2 #13) then brief comeback / immediate separation that lasted until Volume 2, issue 50.[/QUOTE]
Mileage may vary, but the prior year on the series was pretty bad (Chapter One, the first twelve issues of Amazing Spider-Man Volume 2 and Peter Parker Spider-Man.) And this was a period with some really good comics (Jenkins' Peter Parker Spider-Man, the Morlun Saga in ASM, "The Conversation," the best of Tangled Web, Death & Destiny)
[QUOTE=The Negative Zone;4018228]Does the awkward period after Superior Spider-Man and before Spider-Verse count for anything? I really don't dislike any Spider-Man era from what I've read.[/QUOTE]
It was eight issues. That's probably not long enough to count.
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[QUOTE=boots;4018202]yeah, that's the interesting thing about polls like this...changing tastes and growth. the clone saga [I]seems [/I]to be one of those ones that some readers have mellowed on over the years (once peter's character was out of the "danger zone")
i actually hated the michelinie stuff as a kid but i've grown fond of it now. i've had the opposite experience with defalco. there is a strong element out there though that essentially want the same stuff they got as younger readers (which isn't a bad thing necessarily).[/QUOTE]
I think there's a HUGE percent of readers that want the same thing they read as kids. I think usually when people say "true version" or "essence" of a character it more often than not means "how they were when I fell in love with them". It might make up the larger percentage of Marvel and DC readers. And I agree that it's not a bad thing, people like what they like and of course that's fine, it's just not how I feel currently. I might get nostalgic in my old age and want "Clone Saga Part Two: The Re-Clone-ining" (title may need work).
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To me it´s everything that came after OMD.
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[QUOTE=Daniel22;4018242]I think there's a HUGE percent of readers that want the same thing they read as kids. I think usually when people say "true version" or "essence" of a character it more often than not means "how they were when I fell in love with them". It might make up the larger percentage of Marvel and DC readers. And I agree that it's not a bad thing, people like what they like and of course that's fine, it's just not how I feel currently. I might get nostalgic in my old age and want "Clone Saga Part Two: The Re-Clone-ining" (title may need work).[/QUOTE]
yeah nostalgia and comfort "food" are big things for this generation. i mean, i was probably hoping clone conspiracy was going to be a bit of "the re-cloning" kinda vibe, but ended up its own thing for better or worse.
and on that point of "what i read as a kid", i sometimes wonder if they're chasing something unattainable.
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It's hard for me to choose between Mackie/Byrne or The Clone Saga periods as my least favorite. I literally can't bear the writing and art-style from then, and I always skip from Clone Saga to JMS' run whenever I do a Spider-Man reread. None of the other eras here are even comparably bad, IMO.
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i loved it as a kid, but I think Maximum Carnage should be a choice.
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[QUOTE=MagSeven;4018743]i loved it as a kid, but I think Maximum Carnage should be a choice.[/QUOTE]
i guess that’s under pre clone saga?
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For me, it's the Mackie/Byrne relaunch; there just really weren't very many good stories at all during that extended period. Slott's post-Superior work was not great and Denny O'Neill's run was more boring than anything else but the Mackie/Byrne era just reeked of misfire: poorly constructed stories without much direction.
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[QUOTE=Mister Mets;4018236]Mileage may vary, but the prior year on the series was pretty bad (Chapter One, the first twelve issues of Amazing Spider-Man Volume 2 and Peter Parker Spider-Man.).[/QUOTE]
[I]Chapter One[/I] was not that bad, if viewed under the mindset of it being its own divergent continuity, like Spider-Man and Ultimate Spider-Man - sure, I knew back then it attempted to retconically assimilate itself to 616's Volume Twos, such as saying the spider that bit Peter Parker was irradiated from the same science demonstration / meltdown that fused tentacles on Otto Octavius, and Electro's blue and white costume, but it was still neat to see more characters, this time Spider-Man, his friends, and his foes, done by John Byrne, formely reknown for X-Men, Fantastic Four, Alpha Flight, and She-Hulk, with here and there on Avengers.
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[QUOTE=boots;4018284]yeah nostalgia and comfort "food" are big things for this generation. i mean, i was probably hoping clone conspiracy was going to be a bit of "the re-cloning" kinda vibe, but ended up its own thing for better or worse.
and on that point of "what i read as a kid", i sometimes wonder if they're chasing something unattainable.[/QUOTE]
I wonder how much more nostalgia there is now than in the past? It seems like more but I can't say for sure. I do know that almost every cartoon/tv show that I watched as a kid in the eighties has been rebooted at least once. My twelve year old nephew has spent his whole life asking me "Have you heard of GI Joe/Transformers/TMNT/Full House/X Files/a hundred other things" whenever he discovers the new versions of them, which I always find funny. I'm also in that coveted and catered to "male 18-39" demographic so that's a big part I'm sure.
I think they are surely chasing something unattainable. I also think that they aren't remembering things particularly accurately.
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[QUOTE=Daniel22;4018186] I also have decades of experience that tells me that the original would surely return, and I'd be able to just enjoy the ride until that happened.[/QUOTE]
The thing is the plan in this case was for the original to be permanently replaced. Peter coming back was a course correction made after fan backlash.
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[QUOTE=Tuck;4020022]The thing is the plan in this case was for the original to be permanently replaced. Peter coming back was a course correction made after fan backlash.[/QUOTE]
True... I still don't know how they thought that replacing Peter with a clone was ever going to work in the long term. No one was going to believe he was really gone (except for kids like me and maybe a few others) and even if they did believe, how many would have been happy about it? Kind of crazy that they didn't see the backlash coming. I know hindsight is 20/20 but that seems like an easy prediction for professional adults to make.
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They'd have better odds with a legacy.
Although, after a couple more decades, and DC pushing aside Wally and Kyle and some others . . . maybe that's a harder sell than it used to be. (I think people are fine with Miles being Spider-Man [b]also[/b], but would get upset if he were Spider-Man [b]instead[/b].)