Are people okay with Wallace West now?

[QUOTE=sifighter;4916099]If they weren’t in the future I’d argue that the tornado twins should be in Damian and Jon’s generation but I’ll take Jai and Iris. They work and Barry’s kids have always been odd anyway for being with the Legion of Superheroes, outside of the recent Young Justice season.

Also now we have Aquaman’s daughter, she’s still a couple month year old baby but hey now we got son of Superman, Batman, the children of the Flash(Wally), and the daughter of Aquaman.[/QUOTE]

I wonder when Hal's getting a baby

[QUOTE=9th.;4916629]I wonder when Hal's getting a baby[/QUOTE]

Considering how some people write him, Hal might very well have a kid already and not just know it.

[QUOTE=9th.;4916629]I wonder when Hal's getting a baby[/QUOTE]

I could see Hal’s kid being either half-alien, part willpower because remember Hal was made of willpower before recentering himself in Rebirth, or potentially a mix of green lantern energy and Star Sapphire energy(there’s hope maybe for Hal and Carol).

[QUOTE=Digifiend;4916082]You mean Avery. Toni Ho is a Marvel character, Rescue II/Iron Patriot III.

Your second mention of Jesse should be Johnny, and wasn't Max Mercury Bart's mentor, not Jesse Quick? Jesse was a rookie hero herself, that's why she was on the Titans.[/QUOTE]

I know that once Wally,Jay,Max,Jonny Quick trained together with Bart and Jesse.
But it seemed that the training was concentrated to teach BART all what they know in a very short time.

[QUOTE=manwhohaseverything;4915601]I would rather have jai and irey in damian and jon's generation than wallace. If i had to choose, wally's twins are actually much better concept than wallace west. He is generic. He is another kid flash.[/QUOTE]

Yes-Iris was shown to have the speed-cocoons in future and she would be the first female speedster on her earth (Tornado Twins and XS arent born) AND I prefer them because of the relationship to Wally...

[QUOTE=sifighter;4916643]I could see Hal’s kid being either half-alien, part willpower because remember Hal was made of willpower before recentering himself in Rebirth, or potentially a mix of green lantern energy and Star Sapphire energy(there’s hope maybe for Hal and Carol).[/QUOTE]

So basically they'd be like Jade, or maybe they'd have the ability to became the contruct.

[QUOTE=Ascended;4916640]Considering how some people write him, Hal might very well have a kid already and not just know it.[/QUOTE]

Oh yes, bring on the renegade alien child with Daddy issues.

[QUOTE=9th.;4917370]So basically they'd be like Jade, or maybe they'd have the ability to became the contruct.[/QUOTE]

Yeah pretty much. Think of it this way, Hal Jordan has used and been a part of a lot of green lantern entities and has become the very energy he uses. If that doesn’t do something to his kids I don’t know what.

I thought he was alright but I didn't really care for him till his presence in Deathstroke.

I've never ready comics-Wallace, but I like the version on the TV show. But like others have said, I think having both onstage is problematic. Wallace was intended to be a rebooted Wally, which was largely rejected by comic fans, so much so that Geoff Johns undid it (enough) to bring classic Wally back.

At this point, the best-case scenario is to keep both versions - despite the plot gymnastics required to explain it all, and the general silliness of the situation. Sure, neither version will ever be "the" Wally West as long as it continues, which is what the most vocal fans will want. So yeah - nobody "wins". Wallace goes with the Teen Titans generation, and Wally goes with the semi-graduated Titans generation. Both mostly star in team books, where feasible.

Is that enough for everyone?

Doesn't matter - it might have to be. The only other option is to shuffle one of them off to an alternate reality. And I suspect that would be classic Wally; for "synergy", DC is likely going to keep Wally African American in non-comics media going forward.

[QUOTE=Dr. Ellingham;4918871]I've never ready comics-Wallace, but I like the version on the TV show. [/QUOTE]

I know that thios will sound "off" to people who are too hung up on ethinicity, but TV Show Wally is mostly Wally, not Wallace. Now, that's mostly because TV people nailed "Wally" better than comics people, but still.


[QUOTE]But like others have said, I think having both onstage is problematic.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but it's also "traditional". Not like repeated names are a new thing on the Flash family.

[QUOTE]Wallace was intended to be a rebooted Wally, which was largely rejected by comic fans, so much so that Geoff Johns undid it (enough) to bring classic Wally back.[/QUOTE]

For good reason. I like to think that despite the birthing pains, we gained a new character. So, you know, "yay!".

[QUOTE]At this point, the best-case scenario is to keep both versions - despite the plot gymnastics required to explain it all, and the general silliness of the situation. [B]Sure, neither version will ever be "the" Wally West as long as it continues[/B], which is what the most vocal fans will want.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I think you're wrong here. Wally is "the" Wally. Wallace is Wallace. At this point, there's no confusion about it among comic readers (which are the only relevant people for this particular discussion).

[QUOTE]So yeah - nobody "wins". Wallace goes with the Teen Titans generation, and Wally goes with the semi-graduated Titans generation. Both mostly star in team books, where feasible.

Is that enough for everyone?

Doesn't matter - it might have to be. [B] The only other option is to shuffle one of them off to an alternate reality. And I suspect that would be classic Wally; for "synergy", DC is likely going to keep Wally African American in non-comics media going forward.[/B][/QUOTE]

There are many other options: changing either name or heroic identity for any of them, killing one, merging them, etc, etc. I don't like those options, but they do exist.

That said, yeah, the TV show (barely, anymore) features a version that may be more easily read as Wallace, sure. But animation doesn't, ad there's way more OgWally than NuWally out there on it. I [B]really[/B] doubt synergy is something that's gonna affect comics right now, anyway.

[QUOTE=BohemiaDrinker;4919323]I know that thios will sound "off" to people who are too hung up on ethinicity, but TV Show Wally is mostly Wally, not Wallace. Now, that's mostly because TV people nailed "Wally" better than comics people, but still.[/QUOTE]

I haven't watched that show since like, season 3 or something, but this sounds right to me. CW Wally is black, and so is print Wallace, but the similarities largely seem to end there; CW Wally feels far more like print Wally than he does print Wallace. If that makes any sense.

[QUOTE=BohemiaDrinker;4919323]I know that thios will sound "off" to people who are too hung up on ethinicity, but TV Show Wally is mostly Wally, not Wallace.[/QUOTE]

Isn't his background on the show closer to Wallace?

Missing/dead mom playing an important role, growing up away from Iris (and the Wests?), taking part in illegal activities, motivated to do the hero thing to make up for past mistakes, and not getting along with Barry in the beginning? There's the interest in cars from Johns' run, but even that is more associated with Wallace these days.

[QUOTE=Rend20;4919438]Isn't his background on the show closer to Wallace?

Missing/dead mom playing an important role, growing up away from Iris (and the Wests?), taking part in illegal activities, motivated to do the hero thing to make up for past mistakes, and not getting along with Barry in the beginning? There's the interest in cars from Johns' run, but even that is more associated with Wallace these days.[/QUOTE]

It's really sort of it's own thing.

The fact that he is Iris' brother, not nephew, eliminates Rudy (*or Daniel) from the equation, and the fact that he has a paternal figure that is pretty much the best person in the show sort of changes his dynamic with Barry to more of an an older brother.

His motivation/eagerness to gain powers and be a hero is pretty much in line with the most common characterization of OgWally, so is his personality. The whole "illegal activities" bit is so different that it can't really be pointed to any comics version.

At the end of the day, they forced Show Wally to a more "nightwing" dynamic, which they tried and failed to do in the comic (as they should! Comics Wally is the Flash, not Flashwing).

Funnily enough, the interest in cars ended up going to Wallace in the comics.

[QUOTE=BohemiaDrinker;4919985]It's really sort of it's own thing.

The fact that he is Iris' brother, not nephew, eliminates Rudy (*or Daniel) from the equation, and the fact that he has a paternal figure that is pretty much the best person in the show sort of changes his dynamic with Barry to more of an an older brother.

His motivation/eagerness to gain powers and be a hero is pretty much in line with the most common characterization of OgWally, so is his personality. The whole "illegal activities" bit is so different that it can't really be pointed to any comics version.

At the end of the day, they forced Show Wally to a more "nightwing" dynamic, which they tried and failed to do in the comic (as they should! Comics Wally is the Flash, not Flashwing).

Funnily enough, the interest in cars ended up going to Wallace in the comics.[/QUOTE]
Now TV Wally is basically Max Mercury :p.

[QUOTE=Frontier;4920016]Now TV Wally is basically Max Mercury :p.[/QUOTE]

Zen master of speed?

My, things have certainly changed on that show haven't they?

Of course, Wally kind of low-key took that from Max by the end anyway I think. He learned what Max could teach and ended up being able to do stuff even Max couldn't (like actually enter the speed force and return to his own time).