I'm totally game for Doom vs Krakoa, depending on the writer.
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I'm totally game for Doom vs Krakoa, depending on the writer.
[QUOTE=Jabare;5248486]season 2 was so depressing. I really liked season 1, but season 2 was dark. After the halfway point you knew the show wasn't going to have a happy ending but each episode just drove the nail in deeper[/QUOTE]
Aparently it was to be even darker.
[QUOTE=Zero Hunter;5247698]If Forge can come up with a way to neutrilze mutant powers I'm sure Richards and Stark could in no time too. We have seen the tech out there many times already with stuff like the Genoshan collars and such. Unless they took out the big brains very fast the mutants would be in trouble.[/QUOTE]
Yeah you're right. Tony just recently made Magneto helmets to help some of the X-Men beat Cassandra Nova. Also in Tony's armor he had a device that could stop Charles from reading his mind. I don't know how powerful Charles is now, but if the big brains got together. They would come up with something.
[QUOTE=charliehustle415;5246333]*[I]I'll paste my answer from the X-Boards for the sake of discussion[/I]*
To be honest, it's not even a fair contest.
With the power of Omega Mutants and the rest of the Krakoan fighting force, they would wipe the floor with the rest of the 616 Earth heroes.
Magneto, Jean Grey, Quire, Vulcan, Wolverine, Cyclops, Apocalypse, Storm, and Kitty alone could probably take on all comers.
The only challenge they would have is if they got the Earth based Cosmic heroes like Captain Marvel, Asgardian allies like Thor, and possibly sorcerers like Strange to bring the big guns.
But even then I think they are really underpowered.
Not only do Mutants have an elite fighting force, but they have raw untapped power in the Krakoan population and numbers. Think about if the entire population of Krakoa with all of the various heroes that can teleport, cast spells, grow large or small, multiply, control minds, control the weather, control the elements, channel cosmic power and all of the rest.
No contest, the win goes to Krakoa.[/QUOTE]
also need to know which if either side are the Inhumans on. They beef up either side a lot.
[QUOTE=pageturner;5249859]also need to know which if either side are the Inhumans on. They beef up either side a lot.[/QUOTE]
I feel many Inhumans would fight the Mutants out of resentfulness, that some would blame them for the Terrigen being destroyed. Also they (at least the House of Agon) are actually friends with the Avengers and Fantastic Four.
[QUOTE=pageturner;5249859]also need to know which if either side are the Inhumans on. They beef up either side a lot.[/QUOTE]
If Krkaao attacks the entire world they'll fight on the anti-Krkaoa side just to survive. They'll be incredibly confused when they discover the mutants were heavily inspired by their culture after their war.
[QUOTE=pageturner;5249859]also need to know which if either side are the Inhumans on. They beef up either side a lot.[/QUOTE]
Especially if they un-nerf Black Bolt and use their actual powers. They literally did nothing in DoI except die. Someone would have to will them back into existence because they've apparently disappeared from the face of the universe.
Oh no! Another tournament hosted by Saturnyne!? :p
[QUOTE=Force de Phenix;5250449]Especially if they un-nerf Black Bolt and use their actual powers. They literally did nothing in DoI except die. Someone would have to will them back into existence because they've apparently disappeared from the face of the universe.[/QUOTE]
But then Marvel Rising: Secret Warriors comic has some of them and New Attilan active which cam out after DoI.
[QUOTE=Noek;5250660]But then Marvel Rising: Secret Warriors comic has some of them and New Attilan active which cam out after DoI.[/QUOTE]
Is that in continuity?
A lot of you seem to be banking your hats on Reed, Tony and Doom coming up with technology to block out the telepaths but you don't seem to understand that Krakoa has multiple people on the island that can control all forms of technology. All it would take is one of them to target one of the heavy hitters techno helmet and then the telepaths put them to sleep.
[QUOTE=ARkadelphia;5250697]Is that in continuity?[/QUOTE]
It does acknowledge events from the Secret Warriors from the Secret Empire event. So far its continuity is more in line with the 616 Marvel Universe.
[QUOTE=Outburstz;5250732]A lot of you seem to be banking your hats on Reed, Tony and Doom coming up with technology to block out the telepaths but you don't seem to understand that Krakoa has multiple people on the island that can control all forms of technology. All it would take is one of them to target one of the heavy hitters techno helmet and then the telepaths put them to sleep.[/QUOTE]
Krakoa telepaths aren't that smart, they rarely utilise telepathy offensively like that. Even when Emma Frost brainwashed people to be her puppets in New Tien it was only key figures, like Xorn, when she should have been able to blanket the entire population into compliance, including the rebellious O5 X-men, aside from Jean. This is a woman who had Hellfire Club foot soldiers kidnap people and put them in re-education camps to brainwash them into compliance when she ran New Tien. And krkao aren't invincible, the Fantastic Four are on speaking teems with beings like Galactus. The only reason they didn't do outlandish things that they do in their own title in X-men/FF was because the FF had to be the underdog, when they had Sue Storm aboard - the woman who straight up mauled Celestials with her shields and can black telepathy with them IIRC.
[QUOTE=Outburstz;5250732]A lot of you seem to be banking your hats on Reed, Tony and Doom coming up with technology to block out the telepaths but you don't seem to understand that Krakoa has multiple people on the island that can control all forms of technology. All it would take is one of them to target one of the heavy hitters techno helmet and then the telepaths put them to sleep.[/QUOTE]You're missing the point. They already HAVE the technology. They've had it since the mid 90's and Onslaught, which is why AvX was a steaming mess when people kept bringing up the X-Men's telepathic advantage on panel. A variation was recently seen in the FF/X-Men series. They just don't like to use it because it eliminates the mutant's one huge advantage.
[QUOTE=Noek;5248495]Aparently it was to be even darker.[/QUOTE]
so full Game of Thrones then?