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[QUOTE=Handsome men don't lose fights;4634756]Is it a matter of being 'done' with her, though? None of this is her fault. She's a victim of the singularity who always tried to do the right thing and always suffered for it. The quintessential fallen angel, except not by her own design.[/QUOTE]
She can't be saved, it is tragic
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[QUOTE=Handsome men don't lose fights;4634756]Is it a matter of being 'done' with her, though? None of this is her fault. She's a victim of the singularity who always tried to do the right thing and always suffered for it. The quintessential fallen angel, except not by her own design.[/QUOTE]
Hey, bruv. Karima ain't no Graydon Creed but she's already gone.
Damn you, Bastion.
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[QUOTE=Triniking1234;4634784]Hey, bruv. Karima ain't no Graydon Creed but she's already gone.
Damn you, Bastion.[/QUOTE]
It's so grim, though. The best X-men stories find a way to save everyone. Even Cassie Nova got a second chance as Ernst, and she was bald Hitler. It just feels weird that we're writing her off while actual genocidal maniac Gabriel Summers gets to char the steaks.
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[QUOTE=Triniking1234;4634784]Hey, bruv. Karima ain't no Graydon Creed but she's already gone.
Damn you, Bastion.[/QUOTE]
Maybe Xavier can transfer Karima into a clone body and she'll be ok.
Also, this issue broke continuity again. Xavier didn't invent Cyclops' glasses. Cyclops had them before he met Xavier. Hickman hasn't been researching the old 1960s issues. :eek:
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[QUOTE=Havok83;4634595]Karima is a victim and it sucks for her but the human that existed prior to the transformation is essentially dead. What we have now is an omega sentinel that can and has tried to kill the X-men multiple times. It ALWAYS ends this way with her. Her factory settings are her default and its what she always returns to. Any attempts to redeem her has been a temporary bandage. She should not be allowed on Krakoa and they need to wipe their hands of her for good bc there are innocent mutants and children that they put at risk by accepting her. Outside of maybe Thunderbird, they dont have a personal connection to her and she isnt worth the hassle.[/QUOTE]
It's the very fact that Karima is a victim that's the reason why the X-Men shouldn't turn their backs on her. She didn't choose to become an Omega Sentinel, it was forced on her and, unlike the likes of Mystique, Sabretooth, Lady Mastermind, etc, she doesn't choose to betray the X-Men either. The second that the X-Men just flat out turn their backs on a victim, regardless of what they've become, they no longer have any right to call themselves heroes because at that point, they've become everything they ever fought against as they consider themselves as more important than the plight of the innocent. They have a means of saving her, it's just a matter of how far they're willing to stretch their mutants first and foremost attitude in the face of a victim that they have the power to help.
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[QUOTE=Kurolegacy;4634835]It's the very fact that Karima is a victim that's the reason why the X-Men shouldn't turn their backs on her. She didn't choose to become an Omega Sentinel, it was forced on her and, unlike the likes of Mystique, Sabretooth, Lady Mastermind, etc, she doesn't choose to betray the X-Men either. The second that the X-Men just flat out turn their backs on a victim, regardless of what they've become, they no longer have any right to call themselves heroes because at that point, they've become everything they ever fought against [B]as they consider themselves as more important than the plight of the innocent[/B]. They have a means of saving her, it's just a matter of how far they're willing to stretch their mutants first and foremost attitude in the face of a victim that they have the power to help.[/QUOTE]
Like the innocent children they just rescued?
What you're saying isn't at all wrong but eh, if not for the resurrection process, Scott would be dead and she had a big hand in that.
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[QUOTE=Handsome men don't lose fights;4634808]It's so grim, though. The best X-men stories find a way to save everyone. Even Cassie Nova got a second chance as Ernst, and she was bald Hitler. It just feels weird that we're writing her off while actual genocidal maniac Gabriel Summers gets to char the steaks.[/QUOTE]
But I think this is part of where the discomfort from this book comes from. The X-Men have abandoned Karima, humanity, precogs, all in the name of keeping themselves safe.
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[QUOTE=Rosebunse;4634956]But I think this is part of where the discomfort from this book comes from. The X-Men have abandoned Karima, humanity, precogs, all in the name of keeping themselves safe.[/QUOTE]
If not for Charles, Sinister and the Five, Logan, Jean, Scott, Monet, Paige, Warren, and Kurt would be dead. It's kind of about keeping themselves alive and though they can come back, no one should have to suffer being murdered. And humanity gets some nice, fancy, designer drugs in exchange. :D
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[QUOTE=Jbenito;4634982]If not for Charles, Sinister and the Five, Logan, Jean, Scott, Monet, Paige, Warren, and Kurt would be dead. It's kind of about keeping themselves alive and though they can come back, no one should have to suffer being murdered. And humanity gets some nice, fancy, designer drugs in exchange. :D[/QUOTE]
Oh, they save their own. How noble of them.
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[QUOTE=Kurolegacy;4634835]It's the very fact that Karima is a victim that's the reason why the X-Men shouldn't turn their backs on her. She didn't choose to become an Omega Sentinel, it was forced on her and, unlike the likes of Mystique, Sabretooth, Lady Mastermind, etc, she doesn't choose to betray the X-Men either. The second that the X-Men just flat out turn their backs on a victim, regardless of what they've become, they no longer have any right to call themselves heroes because at that point, they've become everything they ever fought against as they consider themselves as more important than the plight of the innocent. They have a means of saving her, it's just a matter of how far they're willing to stretch their mutants first and foremost attitude in the face of a victim that they have the power to help.[/QUOTE]
Have they got the power to help her? That is debatable.
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[QUOTE=Rosebunse;4634985]Oh, they save their own. How noble of them.[/QUOTE]
And humans with their human-specific drugs. Win-win!
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[QUOTE=Jbenito;4634990]And humans with their human-specific drugs. Win-win![/QUOTE]
Which they're only giving out as a trade. They aren't free.
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[QUOTE=Rosebunse;4634994]Which they're only giving out as a trade. They aren't free.[/QUOTE]
True they come with the high high cost of recognition and not supporting genocide...
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Has Hickman or anyone commented on this possible swinging door in the Summers household? I'm curious if any of the folks at Marvel have commented.
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[QUOTE=Rosebunse;4634994]Which they're only giving out as a trade. They aren't free.[/QUOTE]
You're right, they're only asking the rest of the world to please stop killing them. Please recognize the Nation they have created, they would like for this one to not be wiped out.