based on feats, who'd win in a fight to the death?
It's Demon vs Fake Messiah
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based on feats, who'd win in a fight to the death?
It's Demon vs Fake Messiah
[QUOTE=ShadowWarrior;3084398]based on feats, who'd win in a fight to the death?
It's Demon vs Fake Messiah[/QUOTE]
just as a heads up, we go by character feats, not opinions. :)
As for the fight, Akuma is the one with insane feats over multiple games, so he takes it.
Based on game feats, Akuma is superior. Based on comic versions, Gil's feat of soloing basically every street fighter at the same time is pretty impressive.
[QUOTE=Morning;3084579]Based on game feats, Akuma is superior. Based on comic versions, Gil's feat of soloing basically every street fighter at the same time is pretty impressive.[/QUOTE]
You're referring to the UDON Comics. I thought Capcom considered them non-canon.
Gill bitched Akuma at his strongest - being Oni.
How old is Gill? For him to own Akuma as Oni is just something else entirely.
[QUOTE=Guy1;3084424]just as a heads up, we go by character feats, not opinions. :)
As for the fight, Akuma is the one with insane feats over multiple games, so he takes it.[/QUOTE]
That's what I said, feats.
Where did you get the opinion part from?
[QUOTE=ShadowWarrior;3086318]That's what I said, feats.
Where did you get the opinion part from?[/QUOTE]
:p The opening post was originally asking posters their opinions, I edited it to be asking based on feats for you.
As far as feats go, Akuma tears Gill apart. He's already "killed" Gill once using Shun Goku Satsu and didn't even use his Shin form to defeat him. The latter is only still around because of his Resurrection ability.
[QUOTE=Len Ikari145;3086574]As far as feats go, Akuma tears Gill apart. He's already "killed" Gill once using Shun Goku Satsu and didn't even use his Shin form to defeat him. The latter is only still around because of his Resurrection ability.[/QUOTE]
There is no Shin form canonical. The character Shin Akuma is just Akuma not holding back, it's just normal death match Akuma.
[QUOTE=Len Ikari145;3086574]As far as feats go, Akuma tears Gill apart. He's already "killed" Gill once using Shun Goku Satsu and didn't even use his Shin form to defeat him. The latter is only still around because of his Resurrection ability.[/QUOTE]
Issue is, is resurrection a 10 count? Gill has not had significant cutscenes, unlike Akuma, so I'm not entirely sure how that mechanic works in the actual universe.
[QUOTE=abmccray;3087036]Issue is, is resurrection a 10 count? Gill has not had significant cutscenes, unlike Akuma, so I'm not entirely sure how that mechanic works in the actual universe.[/QUOTE]
The in-game resurrection is definitely less than 10 seconds. I don't know about cut scenes.
Did you know when akuma killed Gill, and Gill resurrected, Akuma ran, actually, he resurrected after Akuma left the battle, but I am pretty sure if Akuma saw him resurrect, he probably would have been a little startled possibly, seen that he would have never seen anybody show of a feat like that. He would think that was crazy.
Apparently Gill is not the only thing to resurrect. O_o
[QUOTE=erico2002006;4881390]Did you know when akuma killed Gill...and Gill resurrected...Akuma ran...[/QUOTE]
I’m pretty sure that he left before Gill resurrected.
Possibly...I know somewhere in the story they said he was scared of Gill...
I think Gill would win...I am pretty sure that he is stronger then Akuma canonically in the story...
[QUOTE=erico2002006;4881486]Possibly...I know somewhere in the story they said he was scared of Gill...[/QUOTE]
Could you find that?
I don't recall it being stated anywhere in the canon material that Akuma feared Gill or ANYONE for that matter. His entire purpose in life is to find someone who can challenge and defeat/kill him at his strongest, so it doesn't make sense for him avoid anyone that can accomplish it. And if you want to get into narrative, Oro is canonically the most powerful character in the Street Fighter series and Akuma fought him for fun and refused to go all out against him because he sensed that if he and Oro got serious, it would end in death for both of them.
Another thing...Aren't Messiah or Demigod people like Gill are usually stronger than anything thing else...If do recall Akuma was once Human...and actually still is,he just corrupted with his evil intent...Gill is not human,so that should make him stronger anyways...
[QUOTE=erico2002006;4982247]Another thing...Aren't Messiah or Demigod people like Gill are usually stronger than anything thing else...If do recall Akuma was once Human...and actually still is,he just corrupted with his evil intent...Gill is not human,so that should make him stronger anyways...[/QUOTE]
First of all, no, Gill isn't a demi-god. He's a genetically-engineered superhuman that was raised by a cult that brainwashed him and his brother into believing they were gods. Secondly, That isn't how we judge combatants and the outcome of fights here. It doesn't matter if the characters are gods, devils, etc in canon if they don't have the feats to back them up. Raiden, for instance, is a god but there are plenty of mortal characters (like, say, Yamcha) who are much more powerful than him.
[QUOTE=Len Ikari145;4982278]First of all, no, Gill isn't a demi-god. He's a genetically-engineered superhuman that was raised by a cult that brainwashed him and his brother into believing they were gods. Secondly, That isn't how we judge combatants and the outcome of fights here. It doesn't matter if the characters are gods, devils, etc in canon if they don't have the feats to back them up. Raiden, for instance, is a god but there are plenty of mortal characters (like, say, Yamcha) who are much more powerful than him.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, God is generally a title in fiction and how powerful characters are with that title varies with each series.
Eneru considered himself a God but he was getting smacked around by Pre-Timeskip Fruit. He just happened to have a powerful logia.
Pain in Naruto was considered a God but while uber, he wasn't even the most crazy powerful characters in the setting.
MCU Thor is an alien God. Hulk Smash.
Supreme Kai from DBZ is supposed to be a Super God but...yeah. ;)
Point is, characters can be called Gods, but what it comes down to is feats.
Canonically, who defeated Gill in Street Fighter 3 again? If it was Ryu, then Akuma should be able to do it since he has all of Ryu's skills, only better, and SF3 Ryu is still only at the level that people on the Akuma/Oro tier think of him as a talented rookie who needs a lot of training/to embrace the Satsui no Hadou to be a major player himself.
[QUOTE=The Drunkard Kid;4982347]Canonically, who defeated Gill in Street Fighter 3 again? If it was Ryu, then Akuma should be able to do it since he has all of Ryu's skills, only better, and SF3 Ryu is still only at the level that people on the Akuma/Oro tier think of him as a talented rookie who needs a lot of training/to embrace the Satsui no Hadou to be a major player himself.[/QUOTE]
Alex ultimately defeats him in canon, but Akuma actually beat him beforehand with Raging Demon, it's just that Gill used Resurrection to revive himself after Akuma left.
[QUOTE=Len Ikari145;4982361]Alex ultimately defeats him in canon, but Akuma actually beat him beforehand with Raging Demon, it's just that Gill used Resurrection to revive himself after Akuma left.[/QUOTE]
Kinda answers the question then doesn't it?
[QUOTE=wjowski;4983137]Kinda answers the question then doesn't it?[/QUOTE]
Yep. Akins “killed” him but Gill self revived. Without that trick, he would have stayed dead.
Is there anything he can't self revive from?
Coming back from having your soul murdered is a pretty hard thing to do.
Unless, he was able to empty his soul like Gen can.
[QUOTE=Kuro;4983437]Is there anything he can't self revive from?
Coming back from having your soul murdered is a pretty hard thing to do.
Unless, he was able to empty his soul like Gen can.[/QUOTE]
Presumably, completely destroying his body would do it. :p
[QUOTE=Guy1;4983440]Presumably, completely destroying his body would do it. :p[/QUOTE]
Which won't be a problem for an island-buster.:D
Depends. Does Gill have feats of tanking island busting attacks?
Isn’t the Raging Demon Akumas best move? ISTR that Gill pushed Akuma to actually pull out his best move , right?
Unless Akuma just didn’t want to deal with it and went for it right from the get go.
[QUOTE=Kuro;4983498]Depends. Does Gill have feats of tanking island busting attacks?
Isn’t the Raging Demon Akumas best move? ISTR that Gill pushed Akuma to actually pull out his best move , right?
[B]Unless Akuma just didn’t want to deal with it and went for it right from the get go.[/B][/QUOTE]
That's pretty much how the fight went. He went to see Gill to see what made him a big deal, pulled out Raging Demon, wasn't impressed and left. And while Raging Demon is his best move due to the esoteric soul erasure, it's not his most powerful technique when it comes to destructive power. And no, Gill has little to no feats at all in canon(which is a shame, honestly). Certainly nothing that puts him in the same range as Akuma.
To be fair, Akuma's island busting feat seems more like a volcano-triggering feat, considering what happened was that lava started coming out everywhere and the island blew up and sank in a shower of lava, a short time later, rather than him the island and then the island immediately detonating once he punched the ground. I think that it looked like the same move he used to split Ayer's Rock in another installment's alternate ending, if I'm remembering things right.
It's still way more impressive than anything I remember Gill doing, though.
From what I know Canonically Gill has only be shown beating G and Urien in his story mode in SF5. So the most we know about Gill is he can revive himself and that his brother Urien can't beat him in a fight. Well being able to beat his brother in a fight probably isn't all that impressive.
[QUOTE=bruceleegreyhulk;4984699]From what I know Canonically Gill has only be shown beating G and Urien in his story mode in SF5. So the most we know about Gill is he can revive himself and that his brother Urien can't beat him in a fight. Well being able to beat his brother in a fight probably isn't all that impressive.[/QUOTE]
well beating the world president is a great feat. :D
As of SFV, Urien is portrayed as nigh-effortlessly stronger than Rashid, Charlie, Balrog and Ed.
Him being unable to beat Gill isn't really a bad showing for him so much as it speaks highly of Gill's tier of power.
[QUOTE=master of read;4984758]well beating the world president is a great feat. :D[/QUOTE]
Isn't G, like, the incarnation of the world itself or something Type-Moonish like that?
[QUOTE=Len Ikari145;4985074]Isn't G, like, the incarnation of the world itself or something Type-Moonish like that?[/QUOTE]
As far as I know, SF lore hasn't actually confirmed what G's deal is at the moment.
His, very brief, story mode implies that he becomes more powerful the more people are united behind him but that's about it.
So... maybe?
[QUOTE=Nik Hasta;4985082]As far as I know, SF lore hasn't actually confirmed what G's deal is at the moment.
His, very brief, story mode implies that he becomes more powerful the more people are united behind him but that's about it.
So... maybe?[/QUOTE]
*misreads and gets a picture of a bunch of people uniting behind G to backstab him only for it to fail because they've unintentionally made him more powerful*
*re-reads properly*
Aww, that's a lot less fun.
My main problem with feats from any of the non-canon endings is that there are endings where Dan Hibiki has presumably defeated at least 8 World Warriors and the final boss in games where said boss isn't an explicitly jobbing Sagat, IIRC.
[QUOTE=The Drunkard Kid;4985152]My main problem with feats from any of the non-canon endings is that there are endings where Dan Hibiki has presumably defeated at least 8 World Warriors and the final boss in games where said boss isn't an explicitly jobbing Sagat, IIRC.[/QUOTE]
I see nothing wrong with that. Obviously the strongest character in the setting is going to triumph against all comers.
[QUOTE=Len Ikari145;4985074]Isn't G, like, the incarnation of the world itself or something Type-Moonish like that?[/QUOTE]
some believe that he's a earlier version of Q, what with their similar moves and one of G's alternate costumes being eerily similar to Q's. but then again, we know jack all about Q as well, so anything is really likely at this point.
but the easier answer is............he IS the world president.
I say that the SF5 character stories are canon, however the same can't be said for the SF5 arcade endings.