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I could see Ant-Man getting a victory over a version of Kang, and immediately having to face a much more prepared and experienced Kang who monologues, "Oh, I let everyone win the first round. Gives me an idea of what they are capable of. Then I go back and prepare specific weapons and tactics for them. Like this." {Zap!}
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;5150084]Cap edged a victory out against Iron Man. Not a hard concept to understand[/QUOTE]
Cap tag teamed with Bucky and a large portion was Stark focusing just on Bucky - that's why he let himself be open to Cap crippling his boot rockets so he couldn't fly, and they are in an enclosed area and Stark wasn't thinking straight. Ant-man's not going to stop Kang alone, he'll probably have help from his whole family, definitely Hope.
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[QUOTE=Steel Inquisitor;5150679]Cap tag teamed with Bucky and a large portion was Stark focusing just on Bucky - that's why he let himself be open to Cap crippling his boot rockets so he couldn't fly, and they are in an enclosed area and Stark wasn't thinking straight. Ant-man's not going to stop Kang alone, he'll probably have help from his whole family, definitely Hope.[/QUOTE]
I don't know why everyone keeps acting like I stated the exact scenario under which Kang vs. Scott could end with a Scott edged out win.
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Ultimately, if you're not comfortable with Kang being the straight man in a comedy, you're probably going to want to stay away from this.
I think it's the only sensible use of the character. He has his fans, but objectively he's just not that big of a presence to be more than a good use of a punch line in an actual movie.
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[QUOTE=RockyHorror;5150945]Ultimately, if you're not comfortable with Kang being the straight man in a comedy, you're probably going to want to stay away from this.
I think it's the only sensible use of the character. He has his fans, but objectively he's just not that big of a presence to be more than a good use of a punch line in an actual movie.[/QUOTE]
I mean, he's probably one of the biggest Avenger villains. I think that warrants more seriousness than a punch line in a movie, but all the villains in Ant-Man have been fairly serious, even if Cross/Yellowjacket was a tad manic and that crook in the second film was a joke.
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[QUOTE=Frontier;5151057]I mean, he's probably one of the biggest Avenger villains. I think that warrants more seriousness than a punch line in a movie, but all the villains in Ant-Man have been fairly serious, even if Cross/Yellowjacket was a tad manic and that crook in the second film was a joke.[/QUOTE]
Well okay, if you're cool with Kang getting the equivalent of being hit by Thomas the Tank Engine then I guess we don't have a disagreement here. But do keep in mind, he hasn't fought anyone yet, let alone the Avengers. He is currently no ones biggest villain.
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[QUOTE=RockyHorror;5151183]Well okay, if you're cool with Kang getting the equivalent of being hit by Thomas the Tank Engine then I guess we don't have a disagreement here. But do keep in mind, he hasn't fought anyone yet, let alone the Avengers. He is currently no ones biggest villain.[/QUOTE]
Villains can lose fights without losing their credibility as threats, ya know
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;5151200]Villains can lose fights without losing their credibility as threats, ya know[/QUOTE]
Cross did not lose his credibility, I think. I'm not suggesting Kang would either. I'm only suggesting that Kang is a big deal to a relative handful of people, and if you're going to use him in a comedy, then be prepared for him to be surrounded by comedy. Thanos is the only character to have a role in a comedy without having a single comedic moment, but he was prevalent throughout the MCU and was engaged in a storyline which could not, inherently, be a cause for humor.
Kang has no such immunity, unless Marvel decides to give him some. In which case, Ant Man would be an odd choice for a debut.
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Ant-Man 3...if you have told me ten years ago that one day we would have an Ant-Man movies trilogy to enjoy i would have richly laugh.
Interesting times.
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[QUOTE=RockyHorror;5151212]Cross did not lose his credibility, I think. I'm not suggesting Kang would either. I'm only suggesting that Kang is a big deal to a relative handful of people, and if you're going to use him in a comedy, then be prepared for him to be surrounded by comedy. Thanos is the only character to have a role in a comedy without having a single comedic moment, but he was prevalent throughout the MCU and was engaged in a storyline which could not, inherently, be a cause for humor.
Kang has no such immunity, unless Marvel decides to give him some. In which case, Ant Man would be an odd choice for a debut.[/QUOTE]
Ronan maintained his menace in Guardians almost until the end. Not saying it'd be easy, but you can have a threatening villain and jokey hero
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[QUOTE=RockyHorror;5151183]Well okay, if you're cool with Kang getting the equivalent of being hit by Thomas the Tank Engine then I guess we don't have a disagreement here. But do keep in mind, he hasn't fought anyone yet, let alone the Avengers. He is currently no ones biggest villain.[/QUOTE]
Granted, we don't even know if he's actually the villain of the movie, although they kind of announced it like he was, but I don't expect they'd use him like they have other villains in this trilogy.
[QUOTE=RockyHorror;5151212]Cross did not lose his credibility, I think. I'm not suggesting Kang would either. I'm only suggesting that Kang is a big deal to a relative handful of people, and if you're going to use him in a comedy, then be prepared for him to be surrounded by comedy. Thanos is the only character to have a role in a comedy without having a single comedic moment, but he was prevalent throughout the MCU and was engaged in a storyline which could not, inherently, be a cause for humor.
Kang has no such immunity, unless Marvel decides to give him some. In which case, Ant Man would be an odd choice for a debut.[/QUOTE]
I know they're Marvel movies but [I]Infinity War[/I] and [I]Endgame[/I] were not comedies.
Kang is like temporal Thanos without the Infinity Stones so I hope they don't scale him back.
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[QUOTE=Frontier;5151386]Kang is like temporal Thanos without the Infinity Stones so I hope they don't scale him back.[/QUOTE]
Kang is like Ronan without a single infinity stone. He is nothing like Thanos.
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;5151246]Ronan maintained his menace in Guardians almost until the end. Not saying it'd be easy, but you can have a threatening villain and jokey hero[/QUOTE]
Yes, but you cannot have a comedy movie without the climax being a joke
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[QUOTE=RockyHorror;5151395]Kang is like Ronan without a single infinity stone. He is nothing like Thanos.[/QUOTE]
Kang is a completely different character than Ronan.
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[QUOTE=Frontier;5151445]Kang is a completely different character than Ronan.[/QUOTE]
Yes and he's a completely different character than Thanos. But in Ant Man, he serves the same purpose as Ronan. He doesn't come close to serving the same purpose as Thanos.
Like I said before, Kang is a way to bring scale to the movie without substance to the MCU.