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Game of Thrones
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[url=http://oldforums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?311288-Game-of-Thrones/page189]Continued from the GoT thread from the old forums[/url].
So, regarding the latest episode ("Oathkeeper"), I wasn't crazy about the fact that Margaery is supposedly surprised that Olenna was part of the plot to kill Joffrey, because I always assumed that Marge was also in on it. In fact, since she was actually closest to the cup while Joffrey cut open the pigeon pie, I figured that Olenna had passed the poison to Margaery at some point during the feast, then Marge herself put the poison in.
Evil Burn Gorman being evil and drinking from Mormont's skull was pretty great, though after all of last episode's rape controversy and the weeklong Internet firestorm, I really could have done without seeing more of that at Craster's.
Was very happy to see Michelle MacLaren's name at the beginning of the episode--visually, the episode looked great, especially the opening scene with Grey Worm and Missandei.
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I was a bit surprised by Margaery not knowing, as well. However, I'm not sure how willing she would've been to poison Joffrey. Yeah, he was a horrible, horrible person, but she's willing to do anything to get a baby and become queen. She put a lot of time and effort into charming Joffrey. That said, Tommen will certainly be easier (and safer).
I could've done without the rape at Craster's, too. I have endless waves of sympathy for the Craster women... their lives are utter crap.
[QUOTE=Vibranium;1022]there needs to be a disclaimer before this show starts, if you are a Sensitive Sally, please switch the channel to Revenge on ABC[/QUOTE]
There's no need for any of that.
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I was more surprised by Olenna telling Margaery of her involvement than Margaery not knowing about it at all. When it comes to regicide, I wouldn't want to involve more people than strictly necessary and I certainly wouldn't want to unnecessarily burden someone with such knowledge after the fact.
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I was surprised they didn't drag out the who-done-it longer.
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[quote]I was a bit surprised by Margaery not knowing, as well. However, I'm not sure how willing she would've been to poison Joffrey. Yeah, he was a horrible, horrible person, but she's willing to do anything to get a baby and become queen. She put a lot of time and effort into charming Joffrey. That said, Tommen will certainly be easier (and safer).[/quote]
When I read the books, I interpreted it as being that the plan all along was for Margaery to end up marrying Tommen. Even in the show, last season, when Sansa told them that Joffrey was a monster, and Olenna & Marge shared that glance, it came off like they were going to plan something. Her charming Joffrey was just her way of a) keeping him happy until the wedding, and b) throwing suspicion off herself.
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I like Margaery...a lot
she seems a bit more fleshed out in the show than in the books...or at least fleshed out earlier
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I know I should never get attached to the characters but....I don't want anything bad to happen to Hodor!!!
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[QUOTE=Legato;3161]I know I should never get attached to the characters but....I don't want anything bad to happen to Hodor!!![/QUOTE]
SHHHH never say those things aloud. Have you learned nothing of GRRM?
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The biggest problem with every episode is they are too damn short. I feel like they either need to slow it all down and give us at least 20 eps a season or each ep should be 2 hours. In reality it could be two shows a week. one on Westeros and the other across the sea with dragons.
I was a bit surprised Olenna revealed herself. But I guess she had to convince Margaery to do her thing to seduce the kid.
Sadly this Sunday is the 5th ep and that means the season is half over already. UGH
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Yes she does. And apparently the actress is a marathon runner. Kudos to her.
I have to say, the direction the Brann plotline is going is more interesting than what I've read in the books. And, regarding the books, it seems like forever I read a page from them. I had to go to the Wiki pages to refresh my memory.
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I'm glad they have given Bran and co something else to do because he has been really underused so far (although I understand why) poor Hodor getting beat up, bless him.
I can't wait to see Littlefinger and Sansa reach the Eyrie and meet up with the crazy breast feeding aunt and her son!
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[QUOTE=Hatbar;8784]I'm glad they have given Bran and co something else to do because he has been really underused so far (although I understand why) poor Hodor getting beat up, bless him.
I can't wait to see Littlefinger and Sansa reach the Eyrie and meet up with the crazy breast feeding aunt and her son![/QUOTE]
Nothing crazy about breast feedin', sugar. Just one 'o' God' many mysteries.
:)
Is that actually the Aunt, because I had a completely different picture in my mind, of who Arya and the Hound, Littlefinger and Sansa were going to meet?
Also, do you mean due to Brans' disability, or Hodors' possible one, making it possibly more difficult with certain stories, or because of there being people that are disinterested in the storyline?
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I don't understand why they got the poison into the feast in such a convoluted manner. It's not like anyone was frisking the major players.
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Hi Crimson Knight, I think they are all heading to Catelyn's sister at the Vale - I can't remember her name, just her son sucking on her prosthetic breast!
As for Bran, his story doesn't involve much action, just travelling from A to B so they needed to jazz it up a bit for the TV show. I really enjoy his chapters in the book but he doesn't have as much material as the other to work with.
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Lyssa Arryn (formerly Tully) who is at the Aerie(sp?)
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[QUOTE=Hatbar;9217]Hi Crimson Knight, I think they are all heading to Catelyn's sister at the Vale - I can't remember her name, just her son sucking on her prosthetic breast!
As for Bran, his story doesn't involve much action, just travelling from A to B so they needed to jazz it up a bit for the TV show. I really enjoy his chapters in the book but he doesn't have as much material as the other to work with.[/QUOTE]
Oh, alright, I understand that. Aryas' has a fair bit of that too, but at least there's a different dynamic, with her and the Hound, and some violence, or action, here and there.
You could be right there, though it wouldn't be too nice for Sansa there - much worse with clear conflict between personalities, if Arya. Still, I would've kept picturing just...Aunt, no one we've met, or any picture, just a person, an objective.
But, we'll likely find out in next episode what's what there.
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What's taking these White Walkers such a long time to get to the Wall?
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[QUOTE=Flash Gordon;12742]What's taking these White Walkers such a long time to get to the Wall?[/QUOTE]
Least they have an excuse. They're zombies. And not the running kind. Dany's whole arc just keeps dragging as slow as the White Walkers.
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I've always just assumed that the white walkers are going to follow in the footsteps of the winter that's coming.
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[QUOTE=Flash Gordon;12742]What's taking these White Walkers such a long time to get to the Wall?[/QUOTE]
Maybe theyre heading the wrong direction?
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[QUOTE=Legato;12879]Least they have an excuse. They're zombies. And not the running kind. Dany's whole arc just keeps dragging as slow as the White Walkers.[/QUOTE]
Daernerys: Well, excuuuse me!, but those Dragons take a long time to grow, ya know!
;)
Ah, least there's this - asked about King's Landing, or going there, for Sundays' episode, in of promo, so that's something, ah? Excited me, anyway. Idea of her, and her Dragons moving onto the place, attacking, conquering, all that.
Mother Of Dragons VS Tywin and cco.
Tyrion and Dragons!
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I'd love to see some White Walkers vs Dragon action
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[QUOTE=Crimson Knight;13231][B]Daernerys: Well, excuuuse me!, but those Dragons take a long time to grow, ya know!
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;)
Ah, least there's this - asked about King's Landing, or going there, for Sundays' episode, in of promo, so that's something, ah? Excited me, anyway. Idea of her, and her Dragons moving onto the place, attacking, conquering, all that.
Mother Of Dragons VS Tywin and cco.
Tyrion and Dragons![/QUOTE]
You know Dany, there is a way to help them grow a little faster:p
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[QUOTE=Legato;13281]You know Dany, there is a way to help them grow a little faster:p[/QUOTE]
DT: But Steaks 'R' Us were out of portable cows. :(
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If you look at this [URL="http://media2.giga.de/2012/11/speculative_map.jpg"]map[/URL] you can see how long Danaerys' trip has been and the ways she still has to go before she makes it to Westeros.
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Dany's story is the dullest of the lot. I much prefer the scheming at Kings Landing and the spooky goings on in the North.
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[QUOTE=Hatbar;20870]Dany's story is the dullest of the lot. I much prefer the scheming at Kings Landing and the spooky goings on in the North.[/QUOTE]
Honestly Dany is one of those characters where she'd be decent in any work of fantasy fiction other than Game of Thrones since, to me, she seems out of place when compared to the rest. If you take out the sex scenes then her arc would be more suitable as a Disney movie.
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[QUOTE=darima80;20799]If you look at this [URL="http://media2.giga.de/2012/11/speculative_map.jpg"]map[/URL] you can see how long Danaerys' trip has been and the ways she still has to go before she makes it to Westeros.[/QUOTE]
There's no way that Westeros can be as big as the scale of that map claims, given how quickly the characters seem to be able to travel around.
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[QUOTE=PwrdOn;21085]There's no way that Westeros can be as big as the scale of that map claims, given how quickly the characters seem to be able to travel around.[/QUOTE]
A wizard did it.
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[QUOTE=PwrdOn;21085]There's no way that Westeros can be as big as the scale of that map claims, given how quickly the characters seem to be able to travel around.[/QUOTE]
If they adhered to the book timeline of three years you would be right, but they haven't really aknowledged significant passage of time in the show other than the reference of ''months'' passing between events. And hell, that would explain Bronn looking older and older.
[QUOTE=Legato;13260]I'd love to see some White Walkers vs Dragon action[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure that's how the series is going to climax. A Song of Ice vs Fire.
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[QUOTE=PwrdOn;21085]There's no way that Westeros can be as big as the scale of that map claims, given how quickly the characters seem to be able to travel around.[/QUOTE]
It's a bit of a necessity in tv. Occasional captions of "and then nothing of significance happened for about two months" twice per episode would be funny but out of place.
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[QUOTE=Vidocq;24203]I'm pretty sure that's how the series is going to climax. A Song of Ice vs Fire.[/QUOTE]
:eek: .. Id never thought of that. Makes sense.
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[QUOTE]There's no way that Westeros can be as big as the scale of that map claims, given how quickly the characters seem to be able to travel around.[/QUOTE]
I was laughing about how fast Ramsay's friend got to the Wall and managed to become a member of the Knight's Watch.
You have to assume that it wasn't that quick though. They obviously can't show his entire trek north. No one would watch that.
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Well...
It took Robert and the entire royal entourage a month to travel from King's Landing to Winterfell.
It took Catelyn Stark and Ser Rodrick an unknown amount of time to travel from Winterfell to King's Landing after the botched attempt on Bran's life.
It didn't take that long for Yoten to ride from the inn where Tyrion was kidnapped by Catelyn down to King's Landing to let Ned know about what Cat did.
So I think Westros is not terribly huge.
Essos on the other hand...is ridiculous...
It took an unknown amount of time for Drogo, Dany, and the entire khalasar to travel from Pentos to Vaes Dothrak, keeping in mind that Vaes Dothrak appears to be at the eastern edge of the Dothraki Sea.
It took an unknown amount of time for Dany and her khalasar to wander in the Red Wastes, mostly on foot.
Astapor, Yunkai, and Meereen are reached relatively quickly by foot by Dany's army, this is fine.
The GoT intro map is moved very quickly on the Essos side, I assume due to size. On the other hand, Westros has roads between the major settlements. Essos have less roads, none in the plains of the Dothraki Sea and the desert wastelands of the Red Wastes.
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I remember reading an interview with George RR Martin where he said Westeros was about the same size as South America (I'm guessing from the wall to the south as who knows how far beyond the wall reaches)
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[QUOTE=Flash Gordon;26466]I was laughing about how fast Ramsay's friend got to the Wall and managed to become a member of the Knight's Watch.
You have to assume that it wasn't that quick though. They obviously can't show his entire trek north. No one would watch that.[/QUOTE]
Well, he wasn't a member. He was a recruit who'd come in with the latest batch of convi, eh, volunteers.
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[QUOTE=byc;26926]Well...
It took Robert and the entire royal entourage a month to travel from King's Landing to Winterfell.
It took Catelyn Stark and Ser Rodrick an unknown amount of time to travel from Winterfell to King's Landing after the botched attempt on Bran's life.
It didn't take that long for Yoten to ride from the inn where Tyrion was kidnapped by Catelyn down to King's Landing to let Ned know about what Cat did.
So I think Westros is not terribly huge.[/QUOTE]
Well, Westeros is huge.
It's just the travel time gets downplayed in tv series and movies.
In Lord Of The Rings it takes like frever and a day just to get to Bree, in the movie they basically seem to get to Rivendell in a day or three.
One needs to more economic with what is shown. If nothing of any great importance happens underway, the journey isn't shown, and characters seem to appear at their destination almost instantaneous.
We only get to see the characters when stuff happens. We don't get to see the four months when nothing major happens in King's Landing. Years have passed since the beginning of the series, and it is incredibly hard to make that actually seem like years. I can't think of it actually having been one succesfully on tv.
The flipside of this is of course that when a lot of interesting stuff happens underway, like has happened to Daeny, travel takes forever and a day.
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[QUOTE=Legato;21054]Honestly Dany is one of those characters where she'd be decent in any work of fantasy fiction other than Game of Thrones since, to me, she seems out of place when compared to the rest. If you take out the sex scenes then her arc would be more suitable as a Disney movie.[/QUOTE]
I don't remember crucifixions, pouring melted gold down a person's head and Siege warfare in Snow white......
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[QUOTE=Hatbar;20870]Dany's story is the dullest of the lot. I much prefer the scheming at Kings Landing and the spooky goings on in the North.[/QUOTE]
I find Bran's storyline to be the least interesting... followed closely by Stannis'.
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[QUOTE=Deadxman;27975]I don't remember crucifixions, pouring melted gold down a person's head and Siege warfare in Snow white......[/QUOTE]
You haven't seen ''Walt Disney's personal cut'', then.