Amazing Spider-Man 58 (Preview)

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Peter fights his demons head on

You know, Aunt May being in this arc reminds me, does she still have cancer?

[QUOTE=CrimsonEchidna;5339554]You know, Aunt May being in this arc reminds me, does she still have cancer?[/QUOTE]

For what some people told me, that plot point was resolved at the end of Taylor's run, but i'm not sure how.

It's in remission, but there's always the possibility it could come back

This arc would've felt perfect to tie-in to when the first PS4 game was released.

And it's nice to see Aunt May relevant again. I forget if Taylor established she was in remission but I think she was definitely in recovery by the end of the arc.

[QUOTE=Frontier;5339570]This arc would've felt perfect to tie-in to when the first PS4 game was released.

And it's nice to see Aunt May relevant again. I forget if Taylor established she was in remission but I think she was definitely in recovery by the end of the arc.[/QUOTE]

Yup Last issue Peter had to go be Spider man while she was in surgery but his friends and fellow heroes decided to do his job for the night so he can be with May

[QUOTE=Jman27;5339668]Yup Last issue Peter had to go be Spider man while she was in surgery but his friends and fellow heroes decided to do his job for the night so he can be with May[/QUOTE]

That was a sweet moment there, and so was Aunt May's interaction with Martin Li so far in this preview. As for Peter/Spider-Man, "[I]I said, [B]come on![/B][/I]" gave me flashbacks to the 90s animated series' "Alien Costume" arc when Spidey was starting to go berserk on the Shocker due to the symbiote amplifying his aggression. This time, though, seems to be all him, for better or worse.

Peter on the edge due to Last Remains let's see where this goes. But seeing Peter fighting a mob wonder if he will bust out his marital arts

[QUOTE=Jman27;5339735]Peter on the edge due to Last Remains let's see where this goes. But seeing Peter fighting a mob wonder if he will bust out his marital arts[/QUOTE]
I completely forgot this was a thing... Much like the writers probably have too.

So we've left the whole Kindred thing on the sidelines, after all the hype, and moved onto a new Mr. Negative arc? While I'm a fan of Mr. Negative (one of the better new characters in recent lore) but leaving the whole Kindred thing without a conclusion makes me feel like I've wasted any monetary investment in Amazing Spider-Man again.

As for Aunt May, can she finally pass on already? I know it sounds mean but having Peter actually deal with the death of Aunt May in the PS4 game was a chilling moment that needs to enter into the comics. Peter needs to cut the final chain that locks him into "a promise made by a child" and really let loose against all his foes in a more extreme style.

[QUOTE=themasething;5340001]I completely forgot this was a thing... Much like the writers probably have too.

So we've left the whole Kindred thing on the sidelines, after all the hype, and moved onto a new Mr. Negative arc? While I'm a fan of Mr. Negative (one of the better new characters in recent lore) but leaving the whole Kindred thing without a conclusion makes me feel like I've wasted any monetary investment in Amazing Spider-Man again.

As for Aunt May, can she finally pass on already? I know it sounds mean but having Peter actually deal with the death of Aunt May in the PS4 game was a chilling moment that needs to enter into the comics. Peter needs to cut the final chain that locks him into "a promise made by a child" and really let loose against all his foes in a more extreme style.[/QUOTE]

Well last issue was the final episode of the season, according to Spencer so i guest that something less intense is in order.

Also, ouch dude, that does sound mean, i might not be May's biggest fan but i don't think that she needs to die lol, plus Peter you really want to add to Peter's mental torture after Kindred? even DeMatteis wasn't that cruel :eek:.

[QUOTE=TheCape;5340014]Well the last issue was the final episode of the season, according to Spencer so I guest that something less intense is in order.[/QUOTE]
I hate "season" style writing. Just finish a storyline before moving on. I want to get invested in Mr. Negative as I've been wondering what happened to him for a while, but I want to find out the ending to Kindred and what was going on there. Leaving things hanging like that really gets frustrating as a reader.

[QUOTE=TheCape;5340014]Also, ouch dude, that does sound mean, I might not be May's biggest fan but I don't think that she needs to die lol, plus Peter you really want to add to Peter's mental torture after Kindred? even DeMatteis wasn't that cruel :eek:.[/QUOTE]
I don't intend on making it sound mean, but it's something that's been needing to happen for years. Given that after the torture Kindred put Peter through caused him to snap at Norman, imagine how crazy Peter would be if May passed on and he snapped completely? Not only would this work as a plan of Kindred, but also show what a completely unrestrained Peter could do to all his villains, not just Norman. I think a more violent and emotionally unstable Peter would make for a storyline that could bring in readers and also give writers a chance to write Peter as a semi-villain instead of a constantly redeeming hero. Then when you want to calm things down, you bring in a lot of the supporting cast like an intervention of grief, ending with J Jonah being the voice of reason and embracing Peter as the father figure he should have been in Peter's formative teenage years when he first started at the Bugle

[QUOTE=themasething;5340075]I hate "season" style writing. Just finish a storyline before moving on. I want to get invested in Mr. Negative as I've been wondering what happened to him for a while, but I want to find out the ending to Kindred and what was going on there. Leaving things hanging like that really gets frustrating as a reader.[/QUOTE]
I think you're just talking about the massive amount of hanging plot threads (which are understandably annoying). That's something independent of "season"-style writing.

[QUOTE]I don't intend on making it sound mean, but it's something that's been needing to happen for years. Given that after the torture Kindred put Peter through caused him to snap at Norman, imagine how crazy Peter would be if May passed on and he snapped completely? Not only would this work as a plan of Kindred, but also show what a completely unrestrained Peter could do to all his villains, not just Norman. I think a more violent and emotionally unstable Peter would make for a storyline that could bring in readers and also give writers a chance to write Peter as a semi-villain instead of a constantly redeeming hero. Then when you want to calm things down, you bring in a lot of the supporting cast like an intervention of grief, ending with J Jonah being the voice of reason and embracing Peter as the father figure he should have been in Peter's formative teenage years when he first started at the Bugle[/QUOTE]

Like this hasn't happened a million times before. It's pretty old and actually makes Peter look worse.

[QUOTE=themasething;5340075]I hate "season" style writing. Just finish a storyline before moving on. I want to get invested in Mr. Negative as I've been wondering what happened to him for a while, but I want to find out the ending to Kindred and what was going on there. Leaving things hanging like that really gets frustrating as a reader.


I don't intend on making it sound mean, but it's something that's been needing to happen for years. Given that after the torture Kindred put Peter through caused him to snap at Norman, imagine how crazy Peter would be if May passed on and he snapped completely? Not only would this work as a plan of Kindred, but also show what a completely unrestrained Peter could do to all his villains, not just Norman. I think a more violent and emotionally unstable Peter would make for a storyline that could bring in readers and also give writers a chance to write Peter as a semi-villain instead of a constantly redeeming hero. Then when you want to calm things down, you bring in a lot of the supporting cast like an intervention of grief, ending with J Jonah being the voice of reason and embracing Peter as the father figure he should have been in Peter's formative teenage years when he first started at the Bugle[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PCN24454;5340082]I think you're just talking about the massive amount of hanging plot threads (which are understandably annoying). That's something independent of "season"-style writing.



Like this hasn't happened a million times before. It's pretty old and actually makes Peter look worse.[/QUOTE]

An interesting idea, but yeah, sounds like an updated retread of the "I Am The Spider" period right before the 90s Clone Saga that nobody really liked.

[QUOTE=TheCape;5340014]Well last issue was the[B] final episode of the season, according to Spence[/B]r so i guest that something less intense is in order.

Also, ouch dude, that does sound mean, i might not be May's biggest fan but i don't think that she needs to die lol, plus Peter you really want to add to Peter's mental torture after Kindred? even DeMatteis wasn't that cruel :eek:.[/QUOTE]

when was this stated?

[QUOTE=Jman27;5340515]when was this stated?[/QUOTE]

That was based on solicits saying issue 58 marks “the end of an era” and the next era of Spencer’s run continues after.

I would take it with a truckload of salt based on solicits so far this run.

Also, hopefully the era ending could be called "Questions" and the next era could be called "Answers", LOL :p

[QUOTE=Vortex85;5340562]Also, hopefully the era ending could be called "Questions" and the next era could be called "Answers", LOL :p[/QUOTE]

but complaints will never go away so does it really matter

Nice to see a different kind of Peter, so Last Remains does leave its mark on the character.

[QUOTE=themasething;5340001]As for Aunt May, can she finally pass on already? I know it sounds mean but having Peter actually deal with the death of Aunt May in the PS4 game was a chilling moment that needs to enter into the comics. Peter needs to cut the final chain that locks him into "a promise made by a child" and really let loose against all his foes in a more extreme style.[/QUOTE]

Aunt May had been killed off in the past, while it was a touching send off, it didn't improve the later books in any actual manner. They can just as easily have her retire to Florida or wherever if they don't want to write about her.

[QUOTE=Vegeta;5340759]Aunt May had been killed off in the past, while it was a touching send off, it didn't improve the later books in any actual manner. They can just as easily have her retire to Florida or wherever if they don't want to write about her.[/QUOTE]
Aunt May has one role and only one roll in 616: A plot device. Give her Cancer then cure her. Obviously OMD. She reminds me of the soap opera plot device with the baby in peril. Does the baby die? Of course not. Looking at her is like looking at Hello Kitty. Completely boring. I wish they would remove her from the book and do not bring her back unless it is to kill her off to end OMD and ( or) in Amazing 1000.

[QUOTE=NC_Yankee;5340949]Aunt May has one role and only one roll in 616: A plot device. Give her Cancer then cure her. Obviously OMD. She reminds me of the soap opera plot device with the baby in peril. Does the baby die? Of course not. Looking at her is like looking at Hello Kitty. Completely boring. I wish they would remove her from the book and do not bring her back unless it is to kill her off to end OMD and ( or) in Amazing 1000.[/QUOTE]

That sums up literally all characters in fiction. It's a meaningless insult.

[QUOTE=PCN24454;5340960]That sums up literally all characters in fiction. It's a meaningless insult.[/QUOTE]
That is not true. She has not played a role in pushing Peter and (or) the comic forward in decades. Even a character that I cannot stand like Sponge Bob or Cindy Moon has a purpose beyond simply being a plot device. She is not even a character you can laugh at ( let alone with such as Boomerang). She also stopped being a confidant for Peter. That role belongs to MJ or even Theresa if MJ is not around. If she disappeared from the book she would not be missed in the least.

[QUOTE=NC_Yankee;5341011]That is not true. She has not played a role in pushing Peter and (or) the comic forward in decades. Even a character that I cannot stand like Sponge Bob or Cindy Moon has a purpose beyond simply being a plot device. She is not even a character you can laugh at ( let alone with such as Boomerang). She also stopped being a confidant for Peter. That role belongs to MJ or even Theresa if MJ is not around. If she disappeared from the book she would not be missed in the least.[/QUOTE]

So MJ's role is to have Peter whine to her. That's a sad existence. No wonder she wanted to leave.

[QUOTE=NC_Yankee;5340949]Aunt May has one role and only one roll in 616: A plot device. Give her Cancer then cure her. Obviously OMD. She reminds me of the soap opera plot device with the baby in peril. Does the baby die? Of course not. Looking at her is like looking at [B]Hello Kitty[/B].[/QUOTE]

A global phenomenon that brings in billions of dollars annually? Not sure how that is an insult.

II would love if if Nick Spencer can give us a interview about this story

[QUOTE=Vegeta;5341214]A global phenomenon that brings in billions of dollars annually? Not sure how that is an insult.[/QUOTE]
I have no idea how and why Hello Kitty is successful? Tom ( from Tom and Jerry)? Yes. Cat woman? Yes. Pink Panther? Yes? Lion King? Yes. But Hello Kitty I just do not get.

[QUOTE=NC_Yankee;5341361]I have no idea how and why Hello Kitty is successful? Tom ( from Tom and Jerry)? Yes. Cat woman? Yes. Pink Panther? Yes? Lion King? Yes. But Hello Kitty I just do not get.[/QUOTE]

cute, pink, chibi = people like it

[QUOTE=Jman27;5341378]cute, pink, chibi = people like it[/QUOTE]
I guess it is fair to say I am not the target market for Hello Kitty? I actually had to look up the word chibi

[QUOTE=Vortex85;5340555]That was based on solicits saying issue 58 marks “the end of an era” and the next era of Spencer’s run continues after.

I would take it with a truckload of salt based on solicits so far this run.[/QUOTE]
The solicits don’t have a very good track record this far.

Maybe from the last page in Amazing 57 is May. May died in Amazing 400 not the actress.Them Spider-Mom found the Actress alive and with Spider-man a few years later in spider-man i forgot what issue. From then on to current is the actress.I know that's not going to happen.

[QUOTE=fin5;5343473]Maybe from the last page in Amazing 57 is May. May died in Amazing 400 not the actress.Them Spider-Mom found the Actress alive and with Spider-man a few years later in spider-man i forgot what issue. From then on to current is the actress.I know that's not going to happen.[/QUOTE]

This sounds interesting, which means they will not do it :D

[QUOTE=Dzika_Sowa;5343511]This sounds interesting, which means they will not do it :D[/QUOTE]

A lot of ideas sound better on paper than reality.

Yeah, it sounds interesting now, but even the best writer will have a hard time making it work without it being silly or contrived.
My advice would be to leave it alone and do something else.

It's just me, or Spider-Man is acting more violent that usual in the preview. Honestly, I can't blame him after what Kindred did to him.

By the way, I just realized there's a big mistery around here. OK, this is all a complete nonsense, but I just realize one of the main pieces of the puzzle. You see, as far as I remember, Peter's secret identity as Spider-Man was shielded until the whole thing about Spider-Island. (Well, except for the Jackal). Since then, several persons have discovered Peter's identity through several ways. Most recently, Norman Osborn remembered during the whole thing of the Red Goblin. But that's when I found the biggest mystery around here. WHEN did Harry recover his memory about Peter being Spider-Man? As far as I know, after the Red Goblin's plot, Harry still didn't remember. So, WHEN did Harry remember? It MAY had something to do with his transformation?

[QUOTE=Ursalink;5343662]It's just me, or Spider-Man is acting more violent that usual in the preview. Honestly, I can't blame him after what Kindred did to him.

By the way, I just realized there's a big mistery around here. OK, this is all a complete nonsense, but I just realize one of the main pieces of the puzzle. You see, as far as I remember, Peter's secret identity as Spider-Man was shielded until the whole thing about Spider-Island. (Well, except for the Jackal). Since then, several persons have discovered Peter's identity through several ways. Most recently, Norman Osborn remembered during the whole thing of the Red Goblin. But that's when I found the biggest mystery around here. WHEN did Harry recover his memory about Peter being Spider-Man? As far as I know, after the Red Goblin's plot, Harry still didn't remember. So, WHEN did Harry remember? It MAY had something to do with his transformation?[/QUOTE]

I think this is a good question. The answer might be "he never forgot!" If we take it at face value that Harry had been in Hell at some point and that's how he got his Kindred powers, then it's certainly possible (plausible?) that he was privvy to the deal*. I think the other big question is "During the BND era, was Harry playacting, or was his demonic persona somehow suppressed?"


*Here's a wild idea that I do not think is contradicted by the evidence we have in front of us: When May was dying, Harry (who is at this point working up his way through the ranks of Hell, I guess) was the one who suggested to Mephisto that offering The Deal to Peter would be a great idea as a way to torment Peter: either Peter takes the deal and is endlessly unhappy and unfulfilled, or he let's May die and lives his life knowing he could have saved her.

To make it even more wild (that is, I think the above is plausible, I think the following is pretty tenuous) Mephisto never expected Peter to take The Deal, and Harry's resurrection was either required (to make the spell work) or punishment by Mephisto to Harry for putting him in that position in the first place. Harry spent the BND era trapped in his human body until *something* happened (to Mephisto?) that allowed him to go full demon again circa the Spencer relaunch.

[QUOTE=bob.schoonover;5343683]I think this is a good question. The answer might be "he never forgot!" If we take it at face value that Harry had been in Hell at some point and that's how he got his Kindred powers, then it's certainly possible (plausible?) that he was privvy to the deal*. I think the other big question is "During the BND era, was Harry playacting, or was his demonic persona somehow suppressed?"


*Here's a wild idea that I do not think is contradicted by the evidence we have in front of us: When May was dying, Harry (who is at this point working up his way through the ranks of Hell, I guess) was the one who suggested to Mephisto that offering The Deal to Peter would be a great idea as a way to torment Peter: either Peter takes the deal and is endlessly unhappy and unfulfilled, or he let's May die and lives his life knowing he could have saved her.

To make it even more wild (that is, I think the above is plausible, I think the following is pretty tenuous) Mephisto never expected Peter to take The Deal, and Harry's resurrection was either required (to make the spell work) or punishment by Mephisto to Harry for putting him in that position in the first place. Harry spent the BND era trapped in his human body until *something* happened (to Mephisto?) that allowed him to go full demon again circa the Spencer relaunch.[/QUOTE]

Great idea, if we're gonna tie Harry/Kindred back to One More Day like Spencer seems to be teasing throughout his run thus far.

[QUOTE=Huntsman Spider;5343707]Great idea, if we're gonna tie Harry/Kindred back to One More Day like Spencer seems to be teasing throughout his run thus far.[/QUOTE]

I think this is definitely tied to OMD and the whole appearance of kindred seems to have been triggered when Peter was about to propose to MJ, which would have nullified the deal with Mephisto.

So maybe Peters sin is both making the deal as well as trying to void the deal by proposing to MJ again.

And Mephisto chose Harry to become demonic and suffer to keep the deal intact as well as torture Peter and punish him at the same time... So either Peter can never be with MJ or his best friend is left to suffer and torture Peter as a demon.

So Harry is pissed Peter made the deal and even more pissed that he was chosen to suffer at the hands of Mephisto should Peter try to void the deal and get back with MJ.

In Harry's eyes, everything would be Peter's fault.

[QUOTE=Web_Spinner;5352033]I think this is definitely tied to OMD and the whole appearance of kindred seems to have been triggered when Peter was about to propose to MJ, which would have nullified the deal with Mephisto.

So maybe Peters sin is both making the deal as well as trying to void the deal by proposing to MJ again.

And Mephisto chose Harry to become demonic and suffer to keep the deal intact as well as torture Peter and punish him at the same time... So either Peter can never be with MJ or his best friend is left to suffer and torture Peter as a demon.

So Harry is pissed Peter made the deal and even more pissed that he was chosen to suffer at the hands of Mephisto should Peter try to void the deal and get back with MJ.

In Harry's eyes, everything would be Peter's fault.[/QUOTE]

Isn't Peter at the point where he'd say "F*ck Harry's problems." Wouldn't he just propose to MJ anyways without feeling guilty about it? Harry was supposed to be dead anyways.

I think Peter's getting a new Uncle Marty.

[QUOTE=Web_Spinner;5352033]I think this is definitely tied to OMD and the whole appearance of kindred seems to have been triggered when Peter was about to propose to MJ, which would have nullified the deal with Mephisto.

So maybe Peters sin is both making the deal as well as trying to void the deal by proposing to MJ again.

And Mephisto chose Harry to become demonic and suffer to keep the deal intact as well as torture Peter and punish him at the same time... So either Peter can never be with MJ or his best friend is left to suffer and torture Peter as a demon.

So Harry is pissed Peter made the deal and even more pissed that he was chosen to suffer at the hands of Mephisto should Peter try to void the deal and get back with MJ.

In Harry's eyes, everything would be Peter's fault.[/QUOTE]

Interesting take, though if Peter doesn't even remember making the deal . . .