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2021 was a big improvement
I hope he can can keep this momentum into the new year.
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[center]Hoping 2022 will be AWESOME for [B]Nightwing[/B] :)
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So based on the preview of SSoK 6, there seems to be a human trafficking gang in Bludhaven kidnapping kids now?
[url]https://aiptcomics.com/2021/12/31/dc-preview-superman-son-of-kal-el-6/[/url]
I really hope it would be addressed in the Nightwing-Jon kent team up soon.
Happy new year, Wingheads! We might not have all the same views, but we all love this character!
2021 was great for Nightwing, 2022 can be even better.
Can wait to play him in Gotham Knights.
[QUOTE=Lal;5875153]So based on the preview of SSoK 6, there seems to be a human trafficking gang in Bludhaven kidnapping kids now?
[url]https://aiptcomics.com/2021/12/31/dc-preview-superman-son-of-kal-el-6/[/url]
I really hope it would be addressed in the Nightwing-Jon kent team up soon.[/QUOTE]
This is probably a thread that will unveil into the crossover.
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2021 was great for Nightwing, 2022 can be even better.
Can't wait to play him in Gotham Knights.
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I can't wait for Gotham Knights. Playing as Nightwing will be so much fun.
Starting the year off strong already.
[url]https://www.cbr.com/cbr-top-100-comics-of-2021-10-1/[/url]
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;5875204]Starting the year off strong already.
[url]https://www.cbr.com/cbr-top-100-comics-of-2021-10-1/[/url][/QUOTE]
The users of the r/comicbooks from reddit also voted his book as the best of last year.
Hope 2022 mirrors the past year for Dick and hopefully tops it.
It finally feels like DC is treating Dick like the top tier character he is. He's getting so much focus and use.
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;5875204]Starting the year off strong already.
[url]https://www.cbr.com/cbr-top-100-comics-of-2021-10-1/[/url][/QUOTE]
You can dislike Tom Taylor as a writer but he's definitely helping Nightwing's brand grow.
Happy New Year to Dick in all his various forms/incarnations, as well as to his fans :D.
Happy new year, Dick!Heads!
Dick's got some excellent artists working on him this year - Bruno Redondo, Dan Mora, still one more double-sized issue from Dustin Nguyen...
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2021 was a big improvement
I hope he can can keep this momentum into the new year.
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Was this image ever actually published as a cover?
Happy new year to all my fellow Wingnuts! May 2022 bring you glory, health, and happiness...and may the year bring all of the same for Nightwing!
Y'know...it's been a real long time since we celebrated a new year with Grayson in a good position and getting some respect from DC. Far too long. For the first time in years, I'm not hoping that this is the year things start to turn around for the character. Now I hope that this upwards trend continues and that Dick continues to grow in importance and relevance.
Last year brought us a lot of good stuff; Robin and Batman, Taylor's run (it's successful whether you like it or not, and successful Nightwing is good for us all), Gotham Knights announcement and hype, and continued larger media exposure in things like Titans and Young Justice. What will this year bring us, I wonder? More quality comics? A tv show? A game?
I'll be content if he continues getting quality effort in the comics, honestly. I'm not greedy and I'm not expecting miracles. The new powers that be within DC seem to recognize the value of Nightwing, and what they've done so far seems to be successful. Success breeds success, and I don't think it's entirely unreasonable of us to expect that this year will bring more effort to Dick Grayson. But, yknow....baby steps. :D
For the first time in years I'm starting a new year thinking that it's a good time to be a Nightwing fan. And hot damn that's a nice feeling!
Here's to you and your kin, fellow posters! May we spend the next twelve months celebrating Nightwing's continuing rise!
[QUOTE=Ascended;5876233]What will this year bring us, I wonder? More quality comics? A tv show? A game? [/QUOTE]
My wish list at the moment is rather "simple":
Taylor using more recent Dick material (Batman, Grayson, Rebirth) in his run.
Taylor somehow fixing Titans.
I'd love to get Nightwing focused animated movie, but I think that is less realistic that my two comics related wishes. As for movies, after reading latest Flashpoint spoilers it feels like DC movies are going to turn into even a bigger **** show than it currently is and it doesn't look like it'll have room for Nightwing.
[QUOTE=HsssH;5878777]after reading latest Flashpoint spoilers it feels like DC movies are going to turn into even a bigger **** show than it currently is and it doesn't look like it'll have room for Nightwing.[/QUOTE]
We're dodging a bullet.
I know we all want a Nightwing movie but given the way most of DC's films turn out? Better to get nothing than something like Birds of Prey or some of the other stinky duds that've been churned out.
[QUOTE=HsssH;5878777]My wish list at the moment is rather "simple":
Taylor using more recent Dick material (Batman, Grayson, Rebirth) in his run.
Taylor somehow fixing Titans.[/QUOTE]
I'd be happy with both of those.
My number one wish is that Taylor and Redondo stay on the title, and we don't end up with a Ben Percy situation where the ground collapses underneath them on the eve of a big swing! Or, indeed, a [I]Grayson[/I] situation.
Other than that, within comics.....
1) The Jon and Wally crossover/guest appearances to pay off later in the year with a Shadow War/War For Earth 3 style "event" limited to a month or two with Taylor taking over [I]The Flash[/I] for the duration for a proper, splashy, attention-grabbing Nightwing/Superman/Flash story.
2) Batman/Superman to be as delightful as the promo art suggests.
3) Blockbuster and/or Heartless to turn out to be interesting.
4) You know, I wouldn't hate a [I]Red X[/I] mini-series telling the story of Dick taking on the identity - it's such an important part of the TTA backstory, would be nice to see.
5) Whether it's with the Titans or with Nightwing solo, something good with Deathstroke.
Otherwise, yeah, feels like it's been a good year for Dick - onwards and upwards!
[QUOTE=HsssH;5878777]My wish list at the moment is rather "simple":
Taylor using more recent Dick material (Batman, Grayson, Rebirth) in his run.
Taylor somehow fixing Titans.
I'd love to get Nightwing focused animated movie, but I think that is less realistic that my two comics related wishes. As for movies, after reading latest Flashpoint spoilers it feels like DC movies are going to turn into even a bigger **** show than it currently is and it doesn't look like it'll have room for Nightwing.[/QUOTE]
Why do you think that? It looks like the beginning of the batfamily to me? Can’t be worse then before since Dick Grayson is dead in the present DCU movies
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;5879136]Why do you think that? It looks like the beginning of the batfamily to me? Can’t be worse then before since Dick Grayson is dead in the present DCU movies[/QUOTE]
Probably because Bruce (Michael Keaton) is 70, so Dick would presumably be 50 at his youngest. Based on Babs age, he'd be more of a Terry McGinnis character introduced in his mid-20's otherwise. Or he'd be introduced as Babs' sidekick lmao. It is marginally better than the character being dead on arrival, literally, so you got that part right imo.
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4) You know, I wouldn't hate a [I]Red X[/I] mini-series telling the story of Dick taking on the identity - it's such an important part of the TTA backstory, would be nice to see.
5) Whether it's with the Titans or with Nightwing solo, something good with Deathstroke.
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Just wanted to highlight that these would be really cool to see. I'm especially interested in Dick's time as Red X and his dealings with the second one too. Would be neat to see those broken down into two different mini-series, I just have to wonder how long it might take for someone at DC to deliver on the demand for that...
It's pretty unfortunate to see Bruce and Damian going up against Slade again in an event, with Dick nowhere to be seen, but oh well. Dick cameos alongside Babs in an issue of Deathstroke's book so maybe that'll lead up to something, someday.
I do want to talk about the Flash book though, I think it's significantly stronger than the Nightwing book overall. I'm excited for it, but the Flash issues of Nightwing is just bringing Wally over to Bludhaven for two issues, whereas the Flash book just took Wally and the entire Justice League Dark to Gemworld. So if anyone's going to take lead on a hypothetical Nightwing/Flash crossover, I'd want it to be Jeremy Adams.
That said, I really, really hope we stop getting crossovers or events involving books like Nightwing now, and instead we just get mini-series for crossovers. Less Fear State, more Devil's Reign. This Nightwing run already feels like a Daredevil one anyways, might as well learn from it lol.
Thought this tidbit from Tynion’s newsletter was interesting and it sort of gives insight into why Bludhaven is the way it is:
[QUOTE] To this end – Moving the Bat-Family members away from the Batman Mythology never accomplishes what folks want it to (Bludhaven doesn’t count it’s still in the larger Gotham Metropolitan area, and the recent Robin series took Damian out of Gotham to explore new corners of the larger world around the Al Ghul family which all works great). [/QUOTE]
Guess this explains why they ditched the Las Vegas aesthetic. From their perspective Bludhaven [B]is[/B] in Gotham
[QUOTE=Vordan;5879328]Thought this tidbit from Tynion’s newsletter was interesting and it sort of gives insight into why Bludhaven is the way it is:
Guess this explains why they ditched the Las Vegas aesthetic. From their perspective Bludhaven [B]is[/B] in Gotham[/QUOTE]
Flies in the face of everyone who wants Batfamily members doing their own stuff outside of Gotham...
[QUOTE=Grayson - The Dark Heir;5879229]Probably because Bruce (Michael Keaton) is 70, so Dick would presumably be 50 at his youngest. Based on Babs age, he'd be more of a Terry McGuinness character introduced in his mid-20's otherwise. Or he'd be introduced as Babs' sidekick lmao. It is marginally better than the character being dead on arrival, literally, so you got that part right imo.
Just wanted to highlight that these would be really cool to see. I'm especially interested in Dick's time as Red X and his dealings with the second one too. Would be neat to see those broken down into two different mini-series, I just have to wonder how long it might take for someone at DC to deliver on the demand for that...
It's pretty unfortunate to see Bruce and Damian going up against Slade again in an event, with Dick nowhere to be seen, but oh well. Dick cameos alongside Babs in an issue of Deathstroke's book so maybe that'll lead up to something, someday.
I do want to talk about the Flash book though, I think it's significantly stronger than the Nightwing book overall. I'm excited for it, but the Flash issues of Nightwing is just bringing Wally over to Bludhaven for two issues, whereas the Flash book just took Wally and the entire Justice League Dark to Gemworld. So if anyone's going to take lead on a hypothetical Nightwing/Flash crossover, I'd want it to be Jeremy Adams.
That said, I really, really hope we stop getting crossovers or events involving books like Nightwing now, and instead we just get mini-series for crossovers. Less Fear State, more Devil's Reign. This Nightwing run already feels like a Daredevil one anyways, might as well learn from it lol.[/QUOTE]
Why would dick be 50? He’s adopted he can any age he could be 30 like titans. Also Keaton is 70 we don’t know how old his Bruce yet. The magic of a chi editing
[QUOTE=Vordan;5879328]Thought this tidbit from Tynion’s newsletter was interesting and it sort of gives insight into why Bludhaven is the way it is:
Guess this explains why they ditched the Las Vegas aesthetic. From their perspective Bludhaven [B]is[/B] in Gotham[/QUOTE]
Yeah Bludhaven being it's own city was always cap, it's just the naborhood down the street. But hey that's seems to be what fans want so it's whatever. Happy new year everyone
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;5879438]Why would dick be 50? He’s adopted he can any age he could be 30 like titans. Also Keaton is 70 we don’t know how old his Bruce yet. The magic of a chi editing[/QUOTE]
It completely destroys the Batman and Robin dynamic that Bruce and Dick have. You age Dick down, you get the Bruce and Tim dynamic, or even the Bruce and Carrie dynamic, erasing the early days of their respective careers and the impact they have on each other. Plus, that would still mean Dick is like 30-45, you're not going to see much of an accurate Robin or Nightwing from that. If he was Babs age, you get the Bruce and Terry dynamic, which is even worse, since that's already the relationship DCEU Babs has with Bruce. If you introduced a proper, teen adaptation of Robin, he'd be young enough to be Babs' sidekick.
I could live with "Dick McGinnis" if it meant the focus was more on the Titans. But we all know that's never been a priority for anyone at WB when it comes to Dick Grayson. So the end result is absolutely no respect paid to Dick's role or standing as Robin. That leaves you with Nightwing, but from what we know, Babs is the main Bat of the DCEU. So again, he has no real standing or role as Nightwing either. That leaves us with a subpar Robin adaptation (again...) or with a Nightwing in name only (which to be fair, is what he is usually when next to Batman these days anyways). He's either too old for WB to care, too close in age to Babs that he plays second fiddle at best, or young enough that they change things around to replace Bruce in his life with Babs which... would make his current relationship in the comics pretty odd-sounding. Or you know, not important enough for them to even want to include when they have a Batgirl to market.
I guess we always have the Titans show, for better or worse. I'm not holding out hope for it, but maybe Matt Reeves will surprise us with Robin in a Dark Victory-inspired sequel.
[QUOTE=Vordan;5879328]Thought this tidbit from Tynion’s newsletter was interesting and it sort of gives insight into why Bludhaven is the way it is:
Guess this explains why they ditched the Las Vegas aesthetic. From their perspective Bludhaven [B]is[/B] in Gotham[/QUOTE]
This doesn't surprise me in the slightest since it's something I've noticed for quite a while, but it is kinda funny to see it in plain text like that lol.
[QUOTE=Claude;5879118]1) The Jon and Wally crossover/guest appearances to pay off later in the year with a Shadow War/War For Earth 3 style "event" limited to a month or two with Taylor taking over [I]The Flash[/I] for the duration for a proper, splashy, attention-grabbing Nightwing/Superman/Flash story.[/QUOTE]
I was thinking if we won't get more stuff with Earth-3 considering that some version of Ultraman is responsible for Jon's age up.
[QUOTE=Vordan;5879328]Thought this tidbit from Tynion’s newsletter was interesting and it sort of gives insight into why Bludhaven is the way it is:
Guess this explains why they ditched the Las Vegas aesthetic. From their perspective Bludhaven [B]is[/B] in Gotham[/QUOTE]
That DC considers Blüdhaven a part of Gotham is terribly unsurprising. You're probably right that they dropped the Las Vegas aesthetic because of it. It made Blüd visibly different and not just into a lighter version of Gotham the way Blüd currently is and Burnside was.
[QUOTE=Grayson - The Dark Heir;5879229][...]
I do want to talk about the Flash book though, I think it's significantly stronger than the Nightwing book overall. I'm excited for it, but the Flash issues of Nightwing is just bringing Wally over to Bludhaven for two issues, whereas the Flash book just took Wally and the entire Justice League Dark to Gemworld. So if anyone's going to take lead on a hypothetical Nightwing/Flash crossover, I'd want it to be Jeremy Adams. [...][/QUOTE]
I'd like to see Adams take on Dick, and a better setting if The Flash book holds the reigns is pretty much guaranteed.
[QUOTE=Grayson - The Dark Heir;5879464][...] I'm not holding out hope for it, but maybe Matt Reeves will surprise us with Robin in a Dark Victory-inspired sequel.[...][/QUOTE]
Has Reeves ever said anything about Dark Victory? I thought it's the producer of The Long Halloween who wants to do an adaptation?
Either way, I would love for Dick to be introduced at the end of The Batman. And an animated Dark Victory wouldn't be bad either.
Other wishes for 2022:
A strong Gotham Knights Dick Grayson story with a proper connection to the Owls.
A YJ arc that is actually focused on him not just marketed as a Nightwing arc.
A nice role in Harley Quinn Season 3.
A good Earth-3 Event with a subsequent good Titans book, which can use the potential stories that should come out of Dick clashing with Talon, Owlman, a former Spyral agent, and E-3 Donna Troy.
Exploring Dick's time as Red X would be cool and overdue, but I'd prefer TTA to have been a student's fever dream.
For Dick's history with Slade to be properly acknowledged in Shadow War.
For the "big thing" Taylondo have planned for #100 to not involve Babs. Technically that's 2023 but solicitations for it are gonna be out this year.
For actual prior to Taylondo Dick Grayson supporting cast and rogues to come back - not just half-concepts from the 90s.
Some non-performative exploration of Dick being Romani.
I just want to see Raptor this year
[QUOTE=Ascended;5879036]We're dodging a bullet.
I know we all want a Nightwing movie but given the way most of DC's films turn out? Better to get nothing than something like Birds of Prey or some of the other stinky duds that've been churned out.[/QUOTE]
It's not the right time for it. A movie in this mess of a universe would probably flop just because of the lack of faith people have in Warner Brother right now.
[QUOTE=Pohzee;5879733]I just want to see Raptor this year[/QUOTE]
I absolutely second this, I still feel Raptor was one of the most interesting and dynamic things to happen to Dick in a long time.
[QUOTE=Grayson - The Dark Heir;5879464]It completely destroys the Batman and Robin dynamic that Bruce and Dick have. You age Dick down, you get the Bruce and Tim dynamic, or even the Bruce and Carrie dynamic, erasing the early days of their respective careers and the impact they have on each other. Plus, that would still mean Dick is like 30-45, you're not going to see much of an accurate Robin or Nightwing from that. If he was Babs age, you get the Bruce and Terry dynamic, which is even worse, since that's already the relationship DCEU Babs has with Bruce. If you introduced a proper, teen adaptation of Robin, he'd be young enough to be Babs' sidekick.
I could live with "Dick McGinnis" if it meant the focus was more on the Titans. But we all know that's never been a priority for anyone at WB when it comes to Dick Grayson. So the end result is absolutely no respect paid to Dick's role or standing as Robin. That leaves you with Nightwing, but from what we know, Babs is the main Bat of the DCEU. So again, he has no real standing or role as Nightwing either. That leaves us with a subpar Robin adaptation (again...) or with a Nightwing in name only (which to be fair, is what he is usually when next to Batman these days anyways). He's either too old for WB to care, too close in age to Babs that he plays second fiddle at best, or young enough that they change things around to replace Bruce in his life with Babs which... would make his current relationship in the comics pretty odd-sounding. Or you know, not important enough for them to even want to include when they have a Batgirl to market.
I guess we always have the Titans show, for better or worse. I'm not holding out hope for it, but maybe Matt Reeves will surprise us with Robin in a Dark Victory-inspired sequel.
This doesn't surprise me in the slightest since it's something I've noticed for quite a while, but it is kinda funny to see it in plain text like that lol.[/QUOTE]
No it doesn’t , Batman and robin would have existed. Batman and robin could have broken up. Dick went off on his own. I don’t think you guys are processing that Dick can be alive now. They sent gonna make him 50 or old. What’s with all this worst possible scenario talk
[QUOTE=Pohzee;5879733]I just want to see Raptor this year[/QUOTE]
Hey, he was around last year! In the Robin book... doing and saying nothing, really. I'm sure he'll be around for the January and February issues of Robin in 2022 too...
Damn do I miss him.
[QUOTE=Avi;5879658]Has Reeves ever said anything about Dark Victory? I thought it's the producer of The Long Halloween who wants to do an adaptation?
Either way, I would love for Dick to be introduced at the end of The Batman. And an animated Dark Victory wouldn't be bad either.
A YJ arc that is actually focused on him not just marketed as a Nightwing arc.
A nice role in Harley Quinn Season 3.
A good Earth-3 Event with a subsequent good Titans book, which can use the potential stories that should come out of Dick clashing with Talon, Owlman, [B]a former Spyral agent[/B], and E-3 Donna Troy.
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I was under the impression that The Long Halloween was one of the biggest inspirations behind Reeves' take on Batman, if that's not accurate, then oh well. An animated adaptation is pretty likely though, so I hope that happens sooner than later.
About Young Justice, one thing to note is in terms of screentime, Dick is estimated to be the one who comes in third after Miss Martian and Superboy (someone went through the painstaking effort of counting minutes for every episode up to the present). Dick may have had a diminished role in the action in Invasion, but he was still instrumental to the plot. For Outsiders, it was his show for the first 13 episodes. I think people underrate Dick's role in the series, especially for a DCU-wide series that isn't in love with Batman. He's driven the plot in every season so far, so for a character-driven season, I don't see why he wouldn't get good character focus. I mean, we got a good amount of it in Outsiders after all.
Also I kinda forgot about HQ lol. I don't expect anything but butt jokes to come out of it.
I did want to ask real quick though, who's the former Spyral agent you're talking about?
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;5879999]No it doesn’t , Batman and robin would have existed. Batman and robin could have broken up. Dick went off on his own. I don’t think you guys are processing that Dick can be alive now. They sent gonna make him 50 or old. What’s with all this worst possible scenario talk[/QUOTE]
I don't think you get why Bruce and Dick as Batman and Robin are special at all lol. Even if they say Bruce is 60, if Dick is any younger than 40, he's only Dick Grayson in name. At some point, he's just Tim Drake with the wrong name, or even worse off. A Carrie, or a Terry (which Babs already is in the DCEU).
If you want the worst case scenario, it's that Dick is dead again (lol) or we get a Dark Knight Strikes Again villain turn. Or something worse.
While I hope we keep Taylor and Redondo for as long as possible, I would love to see Williamsons take on Nightwing. I think he could be a great choice to follow up this run.
[url]https://comicfrontline.com/2022/01/03/best-comic-books-of-2021-winners/[/url]
Comic frontline voters have voted for Nightwing as Best Male Character, Best Ongoing Title, Best Single Issue (Nightwing #78)
[QUOTE=JackJustMetMartin;5880214][url]https://comicfrontline.com/2022/01/03/best-comic-books-of-2021-winners/[/url]
Comic frontline voters have voted for Nightwing as Best Male Character, Best Ongoing Title, Best Single Issue (Nightwing #78)[/QUOTE]
Jesus, that's a lot of Nightwing related stuff in there!
That is awesome.
[QUOTE=Grayson - The Dark Heir;5880013]Hey, he was around last year! In the Robin book... doing and saying nothing, really. I'm sure he'll be around for the January and February issues of Robin in 2022 too...
Damn do I miss him.
I was under the impression that The Long Halloween was one of the biggest inspirations behind Reeves' take on Batman, if that's not accurate, then oh well. An animated adaptation is pretty likely though, so I hope that happens sooner than later.
About Young Justice, one thing to note is in terms of screentime, Dick is estimated to be the one who comes in third after Miss Martian and Superboy (someone went through the painstaking effort of counting minutes for every episode up to the present). Dick may have had a diminished role in the action in Invasion, but he was still instrumental to the plot. For Outsiders, it was his show for the first 13 episodes. I think people underrate Dick's role in the series, especially for a DCU-wide series that isn't in love with Batman. He's driven the plot in every season so far, so for a character-driven season, I don't see why he wouldn't get good character focus. I mean, we got a good amount of it in Outsiders after all.
Also I kinda forgot about HQ lol. I don't expect anything but butt jokes to come out of it.
I did want to ask real quick though, who's the former Spyral agent you're talking about?
[...][/QUOTE]
I'd already forgotten Raptor is/was in Robin. Williamson really picked up four of Dick's rogues to use them as background pieces.
Oh no, you are probably right about Reeves. I just haven't payed close attention to The Batman, which is why I asked if he has mentioned DV.
Counting the minutes sure is dedication. Young Justice has been good to Dick, no doubt, even if Season 1 surpasses all. After Zatanna's arc I'm just a lot more pessimistic. She was overshadowed a lot.
There'll be a gazillion butt jokes, lol. His short appearance in HQ's Eat, Bang, Kill Tour was alright, so if that's the feel the show is also going for it'll be enough for me. It is a HQ cartoon after all.
The former Spyral agent is a new character introduced in Suicide Squad called Culebra. More info on [URL="https://www.cbr.com/suicide-squad-nightwing-spryal-culebra/"]this CBR article[/URL]. I remember finding the article because Thompson retweeted it, but he's apparently deleted the retweet since. His likes on it and on [URL="https://twitter.com/Nightwingology/status/1467598731860135942"]the comment from Nightwingology[/URL] are still there though. It seems as if he is interested in using Spyral and the organisation's connection to Dick.
[QUOTE=Grayson - The Dark Heir;5880013]
I don't think you get why Bruce and Dick as Batman and Robin are special at all lol. Even if they say Bruce is 60, if Dick is any younger than 40, he's only Dick Grayson in name. At some point, he's just Tim Drake with the wrong name, or even worse off. A Carrie, or a Terry (which Babs already is in the DCEU).
If you want the worst case scenario, it's that Dick is dead again (lol) or we get a Dark Knight Strikes Again villain turn. Or something worse.[/QUOTE]
Why? Keaton was batman for deacdes before retiring, there is enough time in there for him to have adopted a child 25-30 years ago. There is enough time for a batman and robin in the past. They have free range to do whatever in the gap time. Heck he could have adopted two. The only thing changing is that barbra grodon is entering the game late. We dont know how old Bruce is in the film. Perhaps he tried once with grayson and it didnt work out so he is aprehensive with training gordon now.
For all we know Dick might be an agent of spyral in this universe anything is possible going forward
There was a vote for best DC comics for 2021 on reddit. Nightwing won, Tom Taylor won best writer, Bruno Redondo won best artist, Nightwing 87 won best single issue, and the cover that was an homage to the 66 series won best cover. I know Reddit doesn't count for much but it is refreshing to see our boy getting positive attention
[QUOTE=Grayson - The Dark Heir;5879229]Probably because Bruce (Michael Keaton) is 70, so Dick would presumably be 50 at his youngest. Based on Babs age, he'd be more of a Terry McGinnis character introduced in his mid-20's otherwise. Or he'd be introduced as Babs' sidekick lmao. It is marginally better than the character being dead on arrival, literally, so you got that part right imo.
Just wanted to highlight that these would be really cool to see. I'm especially interested in Dick's time as Red X and his dealings with the second one too. Would be neat to see those broken down into two different mini-series, I just have to wonder how long it might take for someone at DC to deliver on the demand for that...
It's pretty unfortunate to see Bruce and Damian going up against Slade again in an event, with Dick nowhere to be seen, but oh well. Dick cameos alongside Babs in an issue of Deathstroke's book so maybe that'll lead up to something, someday.
I do want to talk about the Flash book though, I think it's significantly stronger than the Nightwing book overall. I'm excited for it, but the Flash issues of Nightwing is just bringing Wally over to Bludhaven for two issues, whereas the Flash book just took Wally and the entire Justice League Dark to Gemworld. So if anyone's going to take lead on a hypothetical Nightwing/Flash crossover, I'd want it to be Jeremy Adams.
That said, I really, really hope we stop getting crossovers or events involving books like Nightwing now, and instead we just get mini-series for crossovers. Less Fear State, more Devil's Reign. This Nightwing run already feels like a Daredevil one anyways, might as well learn from it lol.[/QUOTE]
You pretty much echoed my sentiments exactly haha but we all know the Nightwing crossover is a Taylor invention because Wally will be his guard, I wouldn't hold my breath for anything significant. It seems like Nightwing's crossover with Superman is also going to be more of a Superman story than Nightwing. So we shall see.
Watch Dick be either introduced as a child sidekick to Babs, be used as a way for Keaton Baman to "right the past" and do a better job at helping Babs become Batgirl than he did with Dick becoming robin or Dick will be super old and retired and Babs will need him for something and he'll be more like his Batman Beyond self. I really think Batgirl is going to be basically Nightwing in the DCEU. She already has his cop background and being the next Batman.
I think the cameo in Deathstroke's book was just a nod to the fact that Black Canary used to be one of Babs' best friends and Deathstroke was Dick's arch nemesis. Williamson has always wanted to write Damian, so I expect lots of Damian content in the future.
I think we need to wait and see with the Flash movie, and the Batgirl movie for that matter. If they don’t do well, like with the JL movie, well we seen what happened there and all the plans after.
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I do want to talk about the Flash book though, I think it's significantly stronger than the Nightwing book overall. I'm excited for it, but the Flash issues of Nightwing is just bringing Wally over to Bludhaven for two issues, whereas the Flash book just took Wally and the entire Justice League Dark to Gemworld. So if anyone's going to take lead on a hypothetical Nightwing/Flash crossover, I'd want it to be Jeremy Adams. [/quote]
You know, maybe it's because although I [I]like[/I] Wally but wouldn't call myself a Wally Fan, but I've found that book to be the upper-end of average - every bit as pandery as Taylor's [I]Nightwing[/I], but with significantly worse art and less to say.
It's fun, I'll continue picking it up, and I'm glad that Wally Fans are getting something they love - but I wouldn't want it to be the book in the driving seat in a Nightwing crossover, if I had the choice!
[quote]That said, I really, really hope we stop getting crossovers or events involving books like Nightwing now, and instead we just get mini-series for crossovers. Less Fear State, more Devil's Reign. This Nightwing run already feels like a Daredevil one anyways, might as well learn from it lol.[/QUOTE]
Ha! But the Daredevil ongoing had to end to let Devil's Reign happen, under the same writer - so it's basically the same thing!
You're right that we can all live with fewer Fear States in our lives! I'd much rather the Shadow War format of sympathetic titles meeting as equals for a limited timespan take over entirely.