[url]https://www.cbr.com/sony-kills-spider-man-deal-with-marvel/[/url] Of course doesn't Sony have the film rights to the other Spider-characters?
[url]https://www.cbr.com/sony-kills-spider-man-deal-with-marvel/[/url] Of course doesn't Sony have the film rights to the other Spider-characters?
If you mean will Spider-Man get Perlmutter'd the way X-Men did?
Not a chance. Not gonna happen. The Fox deal with X-Men was different from the deal with Sony. And Spider-Man's merchandise of which Marvel owns rights is way bigger than X-Men.
And in any case, X-Men went from the center of the Marvel Universe to the margins. Spider-Man has always been a largely solo hero who was a junior figure in the Avengers and other teams. So it's not the same situation.
[QUOTE=Revolutionary_Jack;4522363]If you mean will Spider-Man get Perlmutter'd the way X-Men did?
Not a chance. Not gonna happen. The Fox deal with X-Men was different from the deal with Sony. And Spider-Man's merchandise of which Marvel owns rights is way bigger than X-Men.
And in any case, X-Men went from the center of the Marvel Universe to the margins. Spider-Man has always been a largely solo hero who was a junior figure in the Avengers and other teams. So it's not the same situation.[/QUOTE]
At least X-Men was still being published. Fantastic Four was outright canceled after Secret Wars (2015) and wasn't relaunched until Fresh Start.
I love that when the FF was gone people were swearing up and down that was not the reason the FF was gone. Then when the FF came back everyone did a 180 and admitted that was indeed the reason they were canned. Sony should just do the deal, Disney needs the money. You can only cook the books for so long [url]https://www.marketwatch.com/story/disney-whistleblower-told-sec-the-company-inflated-revenue-for-years-2019-08-19[/url].
[QUOTE=Huntsman Spider;4522368]At least X-Men was still being published. Fantastic Four was outright canceled after Secret Wars (2015) and wasn't relaunched until Fresh Start.[/QUOTE]
accident? Nothing's going to happen to Spider-Man
I have a feeling that Sony will lose some money with Morbius-because why is that movie being made at all?-and then the next Spiderman will bomb critically. Give it a few years and Sony will be begging Disney for help.
If the deal is dead the one upside to this is that we no longer have to put up with Spidey's hero worship of Iron Man. It was the most grating aspect of the character
[QUOTE=Rosebunse;4522480]I have a feeling that Sony will lose some money with Morbius-because why is that movie being made at all?[/quote]
Because Venom worked.
If Morbius is made on a low-budget and released carefully, it could succeed.
[quote]-and then the next Spiderman will bomb critically.[/quote]
ITSV which was a non-MCU movie was seen as far better as the MCU stuff and you know walked home with an Oscar.
And after all, the most critically respected Spider-Man films, the first two Raimi films were made well before Disney bought Marvel. And the success of those films are what revived interest in Marvel's properties allowing them to attract capital investors to get the MCU running.
[QUOTE=Jabare;4522445]accident? Nothing's going to happen to Spider-Man[/QUOTE]
But...what of Venom?!
[QUOTE=Anthony W;4522495]But...what of Venom?![/QUOTE]
Currently being published by Donny Cates in a top-selling series and whose big event Absolute Carnage has the whole town talking.
[QUOTE=Revolutionary_Jack;4522493]Because Venom worked.
If Morbius is made on a low-budget and released carefully, it could succeed.
ITSV which was a non-MCU movie was seen as far better as the MCU stuff and you know walked home with an Oscar.
And after all, the most critically respected Spider-Man films, the first two Raimi films were made well before Disney bought Marvel. And the success of those films are what revived interest in Marvel's properties allowing them to attract capital investors to get the MCU running.[/QUOTE]
The issue is that I still don't trust Sony.
I remember Emoji Movie.
On a serious note, yeah, sure, there's a good chance that they can do a good job, but I have my doubts.
Also, that Morbius movie looks awful. Jared Leto doesn't look ugly enough!
Into the Spider-Verse was fire as long as they keep doing that.
I don't know why people liked Venom. That was not a well-made film, but it was low budget and made money more than enough to warrant a sequel.
I guess we will never see Morbius, Spider-Man and Blade in a film together. Oh well......so I'm probably not gonna see Morbius unless they make it a Spider-Man film
[QUOTE=Jabare;4522628]Into the Spider-Verse was fire as long as they keep doing that.
I don't know why people liked Venom. That was not a well-made film, but it was low budget and made money more than enough to warrant a sequel.
I guess we will never see Morbius, Spider-Man and Blade in a film together. Oh well......so I'm probably not gonna see Morbius unless they make it a Spider-Man film[/QUOTE]
I have such a weird feeling about Venom. It really isn't a good movie, and yet...it isn't bad. All of the actors did their best, Tom Hardy was having a damn good time, the effects were lovely, Venom acted like I thought Venom should, and all in all, it was just sort of a silly movie. But it just felt like a sort of time-capsule from 2002. Just a bunch of old tropes and ideas-the bizarre soundtrack-that you wouldn't think anyone would seriously put in any modern movie made today. Plus the story was weak, the character motivations were bizarre, and it was just a...well, it was a weird movie.
Of the five Spider-Man movies before the deal, only two were any good. If anything Spider-Verse and Venom were only successes because they were linked with Marvel.
[QUOTE=G-Man27;4522639]Of the five Spider-Man movies before the deal, only two were any good. If anything Spider-Verse and Venom were only successes because they were linked with Marvel.[/QUOTE]
Spider-Verse was good because it was made by a team of competent professionals who were seemingly given a lot of creative leeway. Venom was a success because of the property is just that engaging.
[QUOTE=G-Man27;4522639]If anything Spider-Verse and Venom were only successes because they were linked with Marvel.[/QUOTE]
How exactly?
A Spidey vs Venom movie was always gonna happen, but I predict it will be sooner now than later.
Okay, so if I understand this correctly, Holland and the guy who directed (or wrote?) the last two movies are still under contract (I believe it's 1 more solo and 1 appearance or something for Holland?) and Sony has the rights to use what the previous films did creatively, except anything Avengers related, which will be weird, but otherwise this will just be another Spidey film with the same cast and crew. The only variable is what the suits on top say, and if they're half as smart as they think they are they won't mess with a working formula.
If that's the case I still expect a drop in quality, but probably not a substantial one. Given their recent success I get why Sony thinks they can finally do this on their own but....I'm really not sure they have the vision. But still, you just let the same guys in the trenches do what they've been doing and you're going to get largely the same result. And the general audience might not even realize anything has changed hands at all, other than a Tony shaped hole that FFH already started resolving. The movie/s will do fine financially, but won't be capable of matching the sheer BO power Marvel provides.
So.....this Spidey trilogy will go out not with a whimper or a bang, but a...yawn?
As for the comics....I doubt much changes? Parker's the biggest character at Marvel, sidelining him for anything longer than a Superior-style shock gimmick (12-18 months?) seems questionable as hell. Maybe they'll try it but I dunno if I'd bet on it. Company's under new management though, and I have no idea how this guy will handle the situation.
[QUOTE=Ascended;4522701]Given their recent success I get why Sony thinks they can finally do this on their own but....I'm really not sure they have the vision. [/QUOTE]
Recent success? Do you mean "Venom"? Because the success of that film rests entirely on Tom Hardy's shoulders. He was absolutely perfect casting, turning a sow's ear into a silk purse almost by force of will. Everything else about that movie as a trainwreck. Writing, plotting, pacing, just a mess on every level. Hardy is just so damned entertaining in both roles that it's worth watching essentially just to watch him talk to himself.
[QUOTE=MichaelC;4522727]Recent success? Do you mean "Venom"? Because the success of that film rests entirely on Tom Hardy's shoulders. He was absolutely perfect casting, turning a sow's ear into a silk purse almost by force of will. Everything else about that movie as a trainwreck. Writing, plotting, pacing, just a mess on every level. Hardy is just so damned entertaining in both roles that it's worth watching essentially just to watch him talk to himself.[/QUOTE]
Tom Hardy was the PERFECT casting for Eddy, I just don't understand why they had him do such a crappy accent.
[QUOTE=G-Man27;4522639]Of the five Spider-Man movies before the deal, only two were any good. If anything Spider-Verse and Venom were only successes because they were linked with Marvel.[/QUOTE]
Which movies? Spider-Man 1, 2 or 3? Amazing Spider-Man 1 or 2?
From the geniuses behind the Lego Movie, Spider-Verse won multiple awards and has an Oscar and a Golden Globe beating out other hit movies like the Incredibles 2. Not to mention the revolutionary animation style it utilized that was universally praised so much so Sony actually tried to copyright it. Spider-Verse was more of a critical success then a financial success. I mean made money and was pretty succesful but its better known for its critical reception and pop culture references.
I guess Venom works because the core concept behind Venom is cool just like Guyver or Devilman etc. i think Venom tied with Spider-Man is way more interesting then the character by himself. The story was basic, the special effects were great to mediocre. I didn't like it but its profit margin was off the charts. The movie had a budget of $100M I've heard reports it was even lower. I doubt they even spent $100M in marketing from what I remember. It made all that back with a $200M+ domestic box office. Then China beat that and they did well in other markets. Venom's internaitonal box office is crazy. I don't know if the sequel will be even better or it was just a fluke, but Sony has no choice but to make a sequel and let it ride
Spider-Man in the comics is safe. It remains to be seen how this awful development does or does not harm the movies.
[QUOTE=Jabare;4522787]Which movies? Spider-Man 1, 2 or 3? Amazing Spider-Man 1 or 2?
From the geniuses behind the Lego Movie, Spider-Verse won multiple awards and has an Oscar and a Golden Globe beating out other hit movies like the Incredibles 2. Not to mention the revolutionary animation style it utilized that was universally praised so much so Sony actually tried to copyright it. Spider-Verse was more of a critical success then a financial success. I mean made money and was pretty succesful but its better known for its critical reception and pop culture references.
I guess Venom works because the core concept behind Venom is cool just like Guyver or Devilman etc. i think Venom tied with Spider-Man is way more interesting then the character by himself. The story was basic, the special effects were great to mediocre. I didn't like it but its profit margin was off the charts. The movie had a budget of $100M I've heard reports it was even lower. I doubt they even spent $100M in marketing from what I remember. It made all that back with a $200M+ domestic box office. Then China beat that and they did well in other markets. Venom's internaitonal box office is crazy. I don't know if the sequel will be even better or it was just a fluke, but Sony has no choice but to make a sequel and let it ride[/QUOTE]
Again, Sony also made Emoji Movie.
Never forget.
I feel like it should be pointed out that Disney was the one that supposedly sabotaged the deal, maybe other news will come out, but from what's being reported they lowballed the hell out of Sony
[QUOTE=Rosebunse;4522796]Again, Sony also made Emoji Movie.
Never forget.[/QUOTE]
I never saw it so it's kind of hard to remember. They've also made a ton of bad Adam Sandler movies and other films and a number of great films. I think they've made over 4,000 films to date.
Again not worried. The deal could easily be salvaged, and the two best Spider-Man movies were made solely by Sony. If anything Spidey can stop idolizing Ironman and being treated as a pseudo sidekick now.
The only major downside I see is Spider-Man no longer teaming up/interacting with other MCU heroes. We all wanted to see Spidey in some more epic NYC fights alongside the remaining Avengers.
Still early not gonna panic. I think cooler heads will prevail
[QUOTE=Jabare;4522797]I feel like it should be pointed out that Disney was the one that supposedly sabotaged the deal, maybe other news will come out, but from what's being reported they lowballed the hell out of Sony[/QUOTE]
Well, Disney is basically a hungry behemoth at this point. Basically, at this point, they're closer to the reapers from Mass Effect than anything else.
For the moment it's not official, it's just rumors and hearsays. i'm sure that the leak is from Disney, to pressure Sony, and in one or two months they will find a solution. Spider-man is too important for the two companies.
[QUOTE=Jabare;4522445]accident? Nothing's going to happen to Spider-Man[/QUOTE]
true with his peter tingle he can avoid accidents
thing is I would not be surprised if Sony gets gobbled up by another company. That could put a damper on future deals.
Apple needs to buy a library and CBS/Viacom needs to get bigger. Sony is probably a desirable piece for someone else.
[QUOTE=pageturner;4522848]thing is I would not be surprised if Sony gets gobbled up by another company. That could put a damper on future deals.
Apple needs to buy a library and CBS/Viacom needs to get bigger. Sony is probably a desirable piece for someone else.[/QUOTE]
If Sony Pictures gets bought out by another company, then Spider-Man rights automatically revert to Marvel-Disney.
But here's the thing, Spider-Man's the biggest thing Sony has and the most attractive part of that. Why would any company buy Sony if they couldn't get their hands on Spidey? Like for instance, Fox in addition to rights of Marvel characters has Simpsons, Futurama, Avatar, and Alien and distribution rights to the original Star wars movies.
So in a way, Sony Pictures is in a safe position. Disney can't buy them after the Fox deal, because after that there was this sense of "That's it for you mouse."
[QUOTE=MichaelC;4522727]Recent success? Do you mean "Venom"? Because the success of that film rests entirely on Tom Hardy's shoulders. He was absolutely perfect casting, turning a sow's ear into a silk purse almost by force of will. Everything else about that movie as a trainwreck. Writing, plotting, pacing, just a mess on every level. Hardy is just so damned entertaining in both roles that it's worth watching essentially just to watch him talk to himself.[/QUOTE]
Sony also made Into The SpiderVerse which won an Oscar.
When will they decrepit the character and make a man-child of him?
Considering what's happening with Disney in other news, I don't think Marvel can afford to cut their nose of right now.
[QUOTE=Ptrvc;4523127]Considering what's happening with Disney in other news, I don't think Marvel can afford to cut their nose of right now.[/QUOTE]
Bob Iger and the rest of IlluMickeynati looking at the 6 remaining months on the countdown clock until Mulan's release like it's an Incursion alert.
[QUOTE=Ptrvc;4523127]Considering what's happening with Disney in other news, I don't think Marvel can afford to cut their nose of right now.[/QUOTE]
Are you talking about the SEC whistleblower thing, Galaxy's Edge flopping, Star Wars merchandise not selling, the debt issues caused by buying Fox, having to take the axe to Fox, or trying to find a way to make it impossible to share your Disney+ password when the service launches?
[QUOTE=Snoop Dogg;4523134]Bob Iger and the rest of IlluMickeynati looking at the 6 remaining months on the countdown clock until Mulan's release like it's an Incursion alert.[/QUOTE]
Forget Mulan, the Feds are coming for Disney now: [url]https://www.marketwatch.com/story/disney-whistleblower-told-sec-the-company-inflated-revenue-for-years-2019-08-19[/url]
I mean, the timing does seem interesting. Yesterday news broke about alleged fraud at Disney to the tune of billions of dollars; Disney's share price has been cratering ever since. Then today the Spider-Man deal with Sony fell apart. Maybe Sony suddenly realised they had more leverage then they thought if it turns out Disney is just a paper tiger.
I dn't want to get my hopes up, but if Spidey is gone, that would be one less recycled franchise. Between that, the FF, Blade and the X-Men, the MCU was beginning to smell like old food.
This feels like a power move
Theyre negotiating and the whole clickbait articles aren't helping
spider-man: broken home
This is a rehash of the whole debate about the X-Men but Spider-Man was always the inconvenient fact that undercut every argument about Marvel trying to destroy the X-Men. Marvel Studios has never had any right to a Spider-Man movie. While they were working together to create a shared universe, Sony still made the money from the movies (a situation that led to the current split). During this entire time, Spider-Man continued to be a major Marvel character, often with several books and appearing in other books as well. Likewise, Marvel has been pushing Venom like crazy despite Venom not appearing in the MCU but appearing in a purely Sony movie. If Perlmutter had some vendetta against the Fantastic Four and X-Men, there's never been a good explanation why that vendetta didn't apply to Spider-Man. The claim was just that Spider-Man was too big to do that to.
So, even if you buy the conspiracy theory, Spider-Man is still too big to do that to. If you're like me and never really bought the theory when it came to comic books (note, I'm not disagreeing when it came to merchandise and other outside products), then you'll definitely think nothing will change.