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Joss Whedon has said that the Wasp was in his first draft of the Avengers script, and she's been seen in early concept art. I don't know which Wasp, but there's not much doubt that the delays on the Ant-Man movie changed Feige's plan, since if that movie had come out earlier, it would have set up Ant-Man and the Wasp as Avengers characters.
Since Whedon seemed to be more or less following the comic lineup, maybe he would have then introduced Hawkeye along with Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver in the sequel.
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[QUOTE=the illustrious mr. kenway;5641023]I rather use Mockingbird instead of Wasp. She requires less budget to use and easier to handwave. Plus she started out as a scientist so that's something you could use in Thor and Avengers.[/QUOTE]
Too visually similar from an ability and fight coordination standpoint.
At least Hawkeye had a visual gimmick to separate him from Widow.
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[QUOTE=Triniking1234;5641011]I wish Wasp or Ant-Man were introduced in Avengers just to see how'd they half-ass the Pym Particle introduction.[/QUOTE]
Probably the same way Falcon's jetpack was handled, along with how Banner is introduced as the leading figure in Gamma radiation research.
You just have to say that they're the leading Pym particle scientists, or you introduce Hank as a retired superhero inventor. That's how they handled it in Ant-Man.
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[QUOTE=Triniking1234;5640985]Hank Pym was heavily used in animated Avengers appearances around the time and eventually showed up in Ant-Man so they weren't afraid of controversy.
Edgar Wright was just a fan of both characters.[/QUOTE]
Isn't it somewhat of a questionable idea to not use Janet just because Hank may have been controversial?
[QUOTE=the illustrious mr. kenway;5641023]I rather use Mockingbird instead of Wasp. She requires less budget to use and easier to handwave. Plus she started out as a scientist so that's something you could use in Thor and Avengers.[/QUOTE]
Mockingbird is kinda boring though. The MCU already has enough "kicking/punching is my power" types
[QUOTE=gurkle;5641029]Joss Whedon has said that the Wasp was in his first draft of the Avengers script, and she's been seen in early concept art. I don't know which Wasp, but there's not much doubt that the delays on the Ant-Man movie changed Feige's plan, since if that movie had come out earlier, it would have set up Ant-Man and the Wasp as Avengers characters.
Since Whedon seemed to be more or less following the comic lineup, maybe he would have then introduced Hawkeye along with Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver in the sequel.[/QUOTE]
Hawkeye should've been introduced in a previous movie as an actual character, like Black Widow was
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But then there wouldn't be any regular degular humans on the team though
Iron Man: RICH (a superpower unto itself)
Captain America: Super Soldier
Thor: God
Hulk: Gamma Powered
Black Widow: Sexpot Assassin
Hawkeye: Carney
But it would be cool to [U]add[/U] these two especially to add more diversity to the team
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[QUOTE=charliehustle415;5641103]But then there wouldn't be any regular degular humans on the team though
Iron Man: RICH (a superpower unto itself)
Captain America: Super Soldier
Thor: God
Hulk: Gamma Powered
Black Widow: Sexpot Assassin
Hawkeye: Carney
But it would be cool to [U]add[/U] these two especially to add more diversity to the team[/QUOTE]
Why does it need regular humans? I'd rather see interesting personalities than "regular joes".
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[QUOTE=Mik;5641104]Why does it need regular humans? I'd rather see interesting personalities than "regular joes".[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Shield had plenty of baseline human agents, and only Hulk, Cap, and Thor have innate superpowers. The others use tech, so they're regularly reminded of what it's like to be completely normal.
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[QUOTE=Mik;5641092]Hawkeye should've been introduced in a previous movie as an actual character, like Black Widow was[/QUOTE]
Yeah, whoever got the 5th and 6th slots could've been introduced better as supporting characters in other films, like Widow was. Having Thor, Hulk, and Iron Man interact with those characters or having them appear post credits, like at the end of the Incredible Hulk would've helped
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[QUOTE=SecretWarrior;5641149]Agreed. Shield had plenty of baseline human agents, and only Hulk, Cap, and Thor have innate superpowers. The others use tech, so they're regularly reminded of what it's like to be completely normal.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I don't even find the appeal of seeing people without powers or tech fight aliens and robots. Watching Black Widow and Hawkeye try to be relevant in the first movie was always awkward to me.
[QUOTE=SecretWarrior;5641154]Yeah, whoever got the 5th and 6th slots could've been introduced better as supporting characters in other films, like Widow was. Having Thor, Hulk, and Iron Man interact with those characters or having them appear post credits, like at the end of the Incredible Hulk would've helped[/QUOTE]
Hawkeye is really underdeveloped. Although at least he got to appear in the Avengers, which is more than I can say for Hank or Jan. Jan seems like an afterthought to the filmmakers
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[QUOTE=Mik;5641104]Why does it need regular humans? I'd rather see interesting personalities than "regular joes".[/QUOTE]
I think if we don't have at least one, it would be hard to understand the sense of danger and it becomes easier to put yourself in their shoes.
For example, when we see Clint running away and trying to keep the Outriders away you can feel the sense of danger; but if it was Cap or Iron Man it wouldn't be the same or when Widow is running away from the Hulk you can see the danger and "feel" it. When Thor is fighting Hulk we know that he will survive a punch, but Widow would turn to paste.
It's kinda the criticism that the DCU get's the JL is so OP that there is no sense of danger at all.
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[QUOTE=charliehustle415;5641179]I think if we don't have at least one, it would be hard to understand the sense of danger and it becomes easier to put yourself in their shoes.
For example, when we see Clint running away and trying to keep the Outriders away you can feel the sense of danger; but if it was Cap or Iron Man it wouldn't be the same or when Widow is running away from the Hulk you can see the danger and "feel" it. When Thor is fighting Hulk we know that he will survive a punch, but Widow would turn to paste.
It's kinda the criticism that the DCU get's the JL is so OP that there is no sense of danger at all.[/QUOTE]
I never bought that. The danger isn't to any of these superheroes. It's to the world at large. Unless they're fighting up against someone like Thanos, I'm not really watching to see the heroes themselves fear losing their own lives.
And seeing an UP hero somehow survive a bunch of alien attacks or other such massive destruction tends to break immersion for me
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Do we really need a new thread on the same topic every two months? Sigh.
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[QUOTE=chicago_bastard;5641190]Do we really need a new thread on the same topic every two months? Sigh.[/QUOTE]
Probably not. But I can see why it bothers fans of the comics
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[QUOTE=chicago_bastard;5641190]Do we really need a new thread on the same topic every two months? Sigh.[/QUOTE]
I've never seen one before
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[QUOTE=chicago_bastard;5641190]Do we really need a new thread on the same topic every two months? Sigh.[/QUOTE]
You haven't seen the Scarlet Witch doomer threads on the X-Books side. :p