Wolverine has his own book, why not the other x-men?

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It annoys me when Deadpool gets 8 issues mini in Nola where he fights Gambit villains but marvel are not interested to see how Gambit fights his villains.[/QUOTE]

It's just IPs having star power. Deadpool is having yet another film with MCU. Gambit doesn't. Same goes to Captain Marvel. They already relaunched her multiple times xD

Because the industry is still gay for hyper masculine cliche’s. Besides, even if you don’t like her, we all know Dazzler is one of the X-men that has and could easily maintain her own series. She has such a huge life outside of the x-men which is why she’s generally just a cameo in the books. Tbh, she thrives in a solo.

The sells argument is such bull, especially when Cable and Captain Marvel have been revamped, or relaunched at least half a dozen times each.


[QUOTE=Killerbee911;5323357]That is not correct only Wolverine is a top 50 book. They are other X-men characters who can maintain solos but not at that level. [B]Aquaman, Green Arrow, Iron Fist, Punisher, Hawkman, Dr. Strange, Ghost Rider all eat cancelation over,[/B] and over nobody would ever say these characters aren't solo characters. They are many X-men that can match the numbers of characters I just mentioned above.

If you guys want to have a convo on how the comic market sucks and only Spiderman, Venom, Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Thor, Batman, Deadpool, Harley Quinn, Spiderman, Wolverine, and X-men, Justice League, Avengers, Star Wars, Walking Dead can carry a book aka actually sustain numbers in Marvel or DC we can have it. But just know [B]everything else [/B]degrades in numbers until they are cancellation level for Marvel or DC. People in this convo mistake the comic market being trash for characters can't carry a solo. Hellboy, Savage Dragon, Ninja Turtles, Spawn all stick around with numbers lower than numbers many of the X-books solos. The problem is Marvel and DC format more than the books themselves, manga like Jujustu Kazien,MHA, and Demon Slayer show up and excel which proves new or different things can work.

How the comic market is set up a terrible format for most characters saying characters can't carry a book ignores that nothing really works and over the last 50 years only Deadpool, Harley Quinn, and Venom have moved up to the consistent sellers group.[/QUOTE]


Especially when you consider the sells of characters who are consistently on the lower end of sales, yet are constantly given a new title with a different creative team. The X-men have more than enough characters imo, who if given the long-term push could maintain a solo at least to the level of the characters who have already been mentioned. Besides a lack of continual use, X-characters have never received the kind of spotlight they deserve. This one property could easily rival all of the Marvel-Universe simply with the scope of its characters and the diversity in their stories. However each time they are given a solo, outside of Cable/Wolverine, it's usually out of the blue. Without the necessary planning, or thought into how Marvel would maintain this character long-term success. Storm solos of recent years are the first to come to mind, with all the connections she has, that title did not delve into much of what Ro' could be in the great Marvel U.

[QUOTE=Spinster Sinister;5323389]Yall it is not just about sales.

Marvel will keep trying certain characters even if they have several Ls (sometimes commercial, sometimes critical, sometimes both) under their belt.

Do not tell me that a well crafted Storm or Magik solo couldn’t outpace Cable.[/QUOTE]

All of this!

[QUOTE=Vishop;5324995]It's just IPs having star power. Deadpool is having yet another film with MCU. Gambit doesn't. Same goes to Captain Marvel. They already relaunched her multiple times xD[/QUOTE]

Gambit had a long running series in the 90s when there was no movies. A solo could work again but there is no investment in the character. One doesnt need a film to justify that

[QUOTE=Havok83;5325085]Gambit had a long running series in the 90s when there was no movies. A solo could work again but there is no investment in the character. One doesnt need a film to justify that[/QUOTE]

Not only films and currently that's how DC or Marvel work with their characters.

[QUOTE=Criticalfan;5324328]No other X-character has their own villains like Wolverine, which took years for Claremont to seed. A solo needs not just one but multiple recurring antagonists. Until anyone else gets those, their books won't work.[/QUOTE]

But how can they get their own rogue galery if they don't get a mini? That's the old vicious circle.

That being said, some X-Men already have some foes, even if they are not exclusive to them.

Betsy Braddock, for instance: Mojo/Spiral, Jamie, Slaymaster, the Hand, eventually Saturnyne.
Magik: Belasco, Witchfire, World-Eater, herself, Nastir'h, possibly Maddie

[QUOTE=mugiwara;5325181]But how can they get their own rogue galery if they don't get a mini? That's the old vicious circle.

That being said, some X-Men already have some foes, even if they are not exclusive to them.

Betsy Braddock, for instance: Mojo/Spiral, Jamie, Slaymaster, the Hand, eventually Saturnyne.
Magik: Belasco, Witchfire, World-Eater, herself, Nastir'h, possibly Maddie[/QUOTE]

Betsy also has Shadow King

As for Wolverine having a Rogues gallery, how do people think he got one without a solo? We met a few through Uncanny but a good chunk of whom would become his rogues were introduced and/or fleshed out in his solos. The same can be done with any other X-man

[QUOTE=Thundershot;5324836]$$$$$$$$$$[/QUOTE]

Yes. it is impossible give a solo shot for a lot of characters. Time to time they will release a solo mini like Madrox, shatterstar, juggernaut.
They have finite money

[QUOTE=Havok83;5325255]Betsy also has Shadow King

As for Wolverine having a Rogues gallery, how do people think he got one without a solo? We met a few through Uncanny but a good chunk of whom would become his rogues were introduced and/or fleshed out in his solos. The same can be done with any other X-man[/QUOTE]

In theory yes, now in practice hard to do that with solos that doesn't last more than 12 issues

[QUOTE=Havok83;5325255]As for Wolverine having a Rogues gallery, how do people think he got one without a solo? We met a few through Uncanny but a good chunk of whom would become his rogues were introduced and/or fleshed out in his solos. The same can be done with any other X-man[/QUOTE]

That’s fair. I’d definitely like to see some new villains created if Cable, Gambit, Bishop, X-23 or any X-man gets a solo series anytime soon.

[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5324792]That's why I liked the recent Juggernaut LS.
A solo character LS but written in continuity (this is fantasy, it could still be weird) so that new and interesting characters and events could be used/referenced within the larger XU, would work very well, I think.

That format, could also be used to "flesh out" tertiary plots and ideas that exist in the current Krakoa context.
If you structure it to four issues, and tell a concise story with a definitive start middle and end, using one writer and artist (both very skilled) you can have three self-contained but relevant stories in a year which you can now bundle and sell as maxi Trade.

Each instalment isn't going to rake in millions of dollars (not even on-goings are doing that) but that's not the point. The point is/should be to capture and hold existing and new readers with interesting and consistent stories while building expanding the existing world and characters.

I'm not suggesting anything that wasn't done, and successfully, in the past...the Kitty Pryde and Wolverine LS in 1985...just be more thoughtful and consistent and high quality, so the we actually look forward to the next LS.

An alternative, but very much in the same vein, would be to continue doing the One-shots...6 per year (one every two months) but still maintaining high quality, consistency and relevance.[/QUOTE]

I do like the idea of 6 one shots throughout the year.

That would be pretty cool they can even keep the same indica of Giant Size X-Men

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In theory yes, now in practice hard to do that with solos that doesn't last more than 12 issues[/QUOTE]

Does a Iceman book about dating(that what it felt like), Teen Cable, Jean, Cyclop book instead of the adult more popular version, An Alternate reality Nightcrawler mini,etc. A Domino series

Do these things sound like stuff that should sell or even be made before other things? The only solo for X-men that imo have been decent attempts beyond X-23 and Cable is Gambit with Clay Mann on art, Storm with Greg Pak. And Storm just wasn't a good book which happens. Just see Captain Marvel or Ms Marvel for what you do when a good concept doesn't do good the first or second time. Ms Marvel is selling 13,000 copies,It is 100 percent guarantee they are going to relaunch that book.

Come back and tell me x-men solo don't sell when it is Cyclops by Grant Morrison, Jean Grey by Tom Taylor, Kitty Pryde by Gerry Dugan, Rogue by Mike Carey,etc. And when book fall in numbers like Black Panther, Iron Man, Hulk, Thor all have they relaunch the book giving it another chance to find its market.

It is not a sales issue it is an effort issue, They don't care to develop X-men as solo books because they can dump them team books do same stuff as you would in solo and make the same money using the team branding which is strong in the X-men. Branding is strong in comics I would bet money that Maruarders or Excaliber would have higher numbers with just the name Uncanny X-men. X-23 did much better with the name Wolverine.

Anyway I am done with this point, This reminds of the NFL when people would say Black or Running QBs can't play QB in NFL and gave some silly reason that sound like it made sense but it was really just a matter of giving them a fair chance. Once they got fair chances they were successful the myth away. [B]To anyone who thinks other X-men solo can't work if X-men (which is a stealth solo for Cyclops )was called Cyclops do you think it wouldn't sell? And I know the answer because of Hickman it would is coming well that is the entire point. It is hard to for book to last more than 12 issues if you don't give the best chance for success. [/B]

We have X23, Cable, and Gambit who have shown they can sustain a book at different levels, It is not a matter [B]IF[/B] one of other X-men can have a successful solo, It is which one is the right fit for the current market.

Of course X-Men or team name sells better then Cyke, Jean, Kitty or Rogue names. It is the main reason why Cyclops solo one shot was called "X-Men: Marvels Snapshot".
Everything with X-Men name sells better.

[QUOTE=Killerbee911;5326304]
Anyway I am done with this point, This reminds of the NFL when people would say Black or Running QBs can't play QB in NFL and gave some silly reason that sound like it made sense but it was really just a matter of giving them a fair chance. Once they got fair chances they were successful the myth away. [B]To anyone who thinks other X-men solo can't work if X-men (which is a stealth solo for Cyclops )was called Cyclops do you think it wouldn't sell? And I know the answer because of Hickman it would is coming well that is the entire point. It is hard to for book to last more than 12 issues if you don't give the best chance for success. [/B].[/QUOTE]

No its not. Scott has not been the focal point of the series. You want a good example of a stealth solo? X-men Red which was Jean's book from beginning to end and never deviated from that. Ditto on X-men Legacy during the Xavier and Rogue runs. Scott has had brief cameos in more issues than he's actually been featured in. Slapping Cyclops on the front wouldnt even make sense as its not about him. He's very periphery to the world building that Hickman is doing and he's only be used as a POV character for that in a handful of issues

"It's not a sales issue."

Not by itself but if there's a demand for the character then they get their solo debut and the sales dictate whether that solo continues or not.

[QUOTE=Triniking1234;5327826]"It's not a sales issue."

Not by itself but if there's a demand for the character then they get their solo debut and the sales dictate whether that solo continues or not.[/QUOTE]

Not always Marvel and DC are a wider businesses, Sometimes comics is the secondary thing or sometimes that book represents them trying to grow customer base or market.

Something like Captian Marvel was a calculated attempt to grow the women's market and to create a female character who can be used flagship/elite character to promote Marvel interests.You think Shang chi has movie and comic because of "demand "? Marvel badly wants a stronger foothold in Asia.

All I am saying in the world of comics sometimes the first or even second approach doesn't work. And Marvel has vested interest in making them work regardless of sales a great example of this is "Champions".