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[QUOTE=Option38;5100059]I don't know if I "hate" it, but is there an official, in-universe, explanation for Iron Man suddenly becoming more of a smart-*ss since 2008? Tony Stark was always quite serious from 1962-2008. Sure, he'd pop in a standard one-liner or two, but he wasn't the motormouth, arrogant, jokester that Robert Downey, Jr. brought to the character.[/QUOTE]
Tony was arrogant, joked around and talked a lot when he fought way before 2008 and RDJ came along. Was it up to the level of RDJ? No. They did turn the volume up a bit on it. That is true, but it was inherent in the character already. Again long before RDJ and 2008.
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The Power of the Eye of the Agamotto.
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[QUOTE=Option38;5100059]Right after the first "Avengers" movie, in 2012, Marvel seemed to think "we have a Hulk" was soooo funny. I remember that line (and lines similar to it, or paraphrasing it) popping up in the Avengers title for about a year or two.
I don't know if I "hate" it, but is there an official, in-universe, explanation for Iron Man suddenly becoming more of a smart-*ss since 2008? Tony Stark was always quite serious from 1962-2008. Sure, he'd pop in a standard one-liner or two, but he wasn't the motormouth, arrogant, jokester that Robert Downey, Jr. brought to the character.[/QUOTE]
It's a bit like the case of Nick Fury. Ultimate Marvel makes a change to a classic character, this change is then incorporated in the films, the films make it so popular, that eventually the main character also takes the change.
As for in-universe... didn't Tony Stark got a mind-wipe during Dark Reign or something like that? We can easily say that this also altered his usual behavior.
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[QUOTE=Ultimate Captain America;5100719]As for in-universe... didn't Tony Stark got a mind-wipe during Dark Reign or something like that? We can easily say that this also altered his usual behavior.[/QUOTE]
He uploaded all the secret identities of the heroes in the registration act into his head and then deleted his memory so that Norman Osborn couldn't get to them. They then reset his memory from before Civil War as a lame way to excuse Tony's actions during it as "he doesn't remember doing that."
I loved Fraction's run on the book but that part was pretty dumb.
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[QUOTE=Noodle;5100815]He uploaded all the secret identities of the heroes in the registration act into his head and then deleted his memory so that Norman Osborn couldn't get to them. They then reset his memory from before Civil War as a lame way to excuse Tony's actions during it as "he doesn't remember doing that."
I loved Fraction's run on the book but that part was pretty dumb.[/QUOTE]
He didn't get a pass for it though. Thor and other character still blamed him for what he had done during those times.
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The Fraction mindwipe was probably cuz he liked the idea of Tony's mind slowly deyeeting and then having to catch up to all the stuff that went down. If it was really a ploy to absolve him of Civil War responibility or consequences he wouldn't have had the T-Man straight up tell Thor he'd do it again ejdnndmsmsmsjdns
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I can't believe they made Alfred skinny. Such a blatant cash grab.
Seriously, changing things to match a more popular medium has been going on since the beginning of time.
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[QUOTE=Overhazard;5099895]I'd say what happened to cosmic marvel. The Guardians Movie was modeled after the DnA run, but then they changed the guardians in the comics to be like their movie versions, and it became constant jokes and classic rock which was really grating. Cosmic Marvel became a hollowed out shell of itself.
The movie synergy doesn't bother me anymore, I just wish they'd admit it.[/QUOTE]
This.
I struggle to read GoTG because it’s been a very,very jarring change.
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[QUOTE=Tony Stark;5100089]Tony was arrogant, joked around and talked a lot when he fought way before 2008 and RDJ came along. Was it up to the level of RDJ? No. They did turn the volume up a bit on it. That is true, but it was inherent in the character already. Again long before RDJ and 2008.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Bendis already amped up the “mouthy” elements of Iron Man in his Avengers run.
The problem now is that guys like Jason Aaron write Tony as something of a goofball at times which isn’t entirely consistent.
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The most brutal changes were the introduction of Nick Fury Jr, the complete transformation of Shuri and the changes to Magneto’s kids. Carol Danvers origin is up there too because it seemed they changed the character based on the trailers.
Hickman said it best (and I paraphrase), comics should almost never adjust to the movies, it should be the other way round. Obviously with movies being more popular than comics some elements will filter in but wholesale changes to existing characters shouldn’t be a thing. The Shuri thing for anyone that’s read Black Panther will leave you confused and wondering what happened to the original Shuri. Especially when the most recent version of the character in Coates run had gone all spiritual in outlook and ability.
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The GotG one is the one that irritates me. The tone of the comics, the stale roster. Thankfully Cates and Ewing seem to have righted the ship.
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"Infinity Wars" (in plural; not Starlin's one). An absolute nonsense of a comic that should never had existed... except because Marvel badly needed to have something titled "Infinity War" or similar in the shelves that year.
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Wanda and Pietro not being mutants anymore, done badly and only to appease a notorious sociopathic suit...
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[QUOTE=Tony Stark;5100845]He didn't get a pass for it though. Thor and other character still blamed him for what he had done during those times.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Snoop Dogg;5100954]The Fraction mindwipe was probably cuz he liked the idea of Tony's mind slowly deyeeting and then having to catch up to all the stuff that went down. If it was really a ploy to absolve him of Civil War responibility or consequences he wouldn't have had the T-Man straight up tell Thor he'd do it again ejdnndmsmsmsjdns[/QUOTE]
Not that Fraction really did much with it post-Dark Reign but I think I recall him saying he would have done the same thing he did during Civil War despite not remembering it (of course he's also shown as being really regretful about what happened, so take from that what you will).
[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;5101562]I can't believe they made Alfred skinny. Such a blatant cash grab.
Seriously, changing things to match a more popular medium has been going on since the beginning of time.[/QUOTE]
I think it just depends on the level of impact and the character in question. Sometimes it's harmless and mostly cosmetic, other times you're completely changing a character to match a depiction that just doesn't really work with their character history.