So who is planning on watching this on HBO this fall?
What's the angle here? Rehashing the original comic? A sequel? A reboot?
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So who is planning on watching this on HBO this fall?
What's the angle here? Rehashing the original comic? A sequel? A reboot?
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[QUOTE=daBronzeBomma;4374093]So who is planning on watching this on HBO this fall?
What's the angle here? Rehashing the original comic? A sequel? A reboot?
[VIDEO=youtube;zymgtV99Rko]https://youtu.be/zymgtV99Rko[/VIDEO][/QUOTE]
Well it's clearly not rehashing the comic.
It looks like a really terrible heavy-handed social commentary piece that simply uses Watchmen imagery, ideas, memes, etc. Of course, purely speculating. But that's the impression that I got.
Thought it was a sequel. Took place in the world after Manhattan killed rorshach and all those people.
[QUOTE=Midvillian1322;4375831]Thought it was a sequel. Took place in the world after Manhattan killed rorshach and all those people.[/QUOTE]
Ditto.
Its looks like its set in the 2019 version of the Watchmen world.
[QUOTE=Midvillian1322;4375831]Thought it was a sequel. Took place in the world after Manhattan killed rorshach and all those people.[/QUOTE]
It probably does just not right after the movie probably more like the far future that's why ozymandias is older.
It's from the guy who wrote Lost and Prometheus. I'm not going to take the chance. Even if starts out good (like Lost) it's probably not going to end well. It's going to ask a lot questions and either not give answers or give really stupid answers. I don't know why Alan Moore always gets such poor adaptations.
I wish the guy that did Fargo or someone else was doing this.
[QUOTE=PoorStudent;4376288]It's from the guy who wrote Lost and Prometheus. I'm not going to take the chance. Even if starts out good (like Lost) it's probably not going to end well. It's going to ask a lot questions and either not give answers or give really stupid answers. I don't know why Alan Moore always gets such poor adaptations.
I wish the guy that did Fargo or someone else was doing this.[/QUOTE]
He also did The Leftovers more recently and that was an amazing series.
Hard pass! No thanks!
Huh.
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[url]https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/07/25/damon-lindelof-declares-hbos-watchmen-series-is-about-white-supremacy/[/url]
[QUOTE=daBronzeBomma;4374093]So who is planning on watching this on HBO this fall?
What's the angle here? Rehashing the original comic? A sequel? A reboot?
[VIDEO=youtube;zymgtV99Rko]https://youtu.be/zymgtV99Rko[/VIDEO][/QUOTE]
Yes very much looking forward to it.
Looks terrible. Will not be watching.
Will try the first episode or so, even if it looks terrible.
New Featurette:
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[QUOTE=DjMichael691;4377896]He also did The Leftovers more recently and that was an amazing series.[/QUOTE]
He did and it was, I'll be watching this once the season's over.
I'm well the fuck over Watchmen adaptations, sequels, prequels, and Doomsday Clocks. Hard pass.
Besides, Lindelof's track record is garbage and all his press for this has been wretched.
[QUOTE=Joker;4558695]I'm well the fuck over Watchmen adaptations, sequels, prequels, and Doomsday Clocks. Hard pass.
Besides, Lindelof's track record is garbage and all his press for this has been wretched.[/QUOTE]
Leftovers was amazing....All these "hard pass folks" are still going to watch..even if its just one episode. Its freaking watchmen..and HBO really doesn't make a bad product(GOT season 7 and 8 notwithstanding).
Just saw Watchmen episode 1. It's definitely a straight-up sequel to the graphic novel, set about 34 years ahead from 1985 to 2019.
That opening in the past is super-hard to watch, mainly because it depicts horrifically accurate real-life events (the 1921 Tulsa Massacre). That was less than 100 years ago, will into the 20th century.
I found the present-day stuff far easier to watch and in fact, riveting.
I'm hooked.
The Seventh Kavalry repurposing Rorschach's visage as a symbol of hate is controversial, but makes sense. Rorschach never was an actual hero, it was just that the people he killed were undeniably worse than he himself was.
I'm surprised that [spoil] they basically "Ned-Starked" Don Johnson in the very first episode, as he probably is the most famous actor of the bunch, and I thought he'd be the Male lead for the series, but it clearly looks like I'm seeing now ... any idea why Louis Gossett Jr killed him?[/spoil]
[spoil] I don't think Gosset (Hooded Justice) killed him. I think he just srtung his body up for some reason. [/spoil]
[QUOTE=Gorthon616;4374152]Well it's clearly not rehashing the comic.
It looks like a really terrible heavy-handed social commentary piece that simply uses Watchmen imagery, ideas, memes, etc. Of course, purely speculating. But that's the impression that I got.[/QUOTE]
Ah, but Gorthon, all comics have politics and social elements. Don't ya dare deny the history of comics!
[QUOTE=Joker;4558695]I'm well the fuck over Watchmen adaptations, sequels, prequels, and Doomsday Clocks. Hard pass.
Besides, Lindelof's track record is garbage and all his press for this has been wretched.[/QUOTE]
You seem angrier than Alan Moore about this. Just because others might not have met your approval doesn't mean the material can't work in places, as it does here. It's like saying because there are some bad Spider-Man books and movies we shouldn't look at any more.
Considering Damon Lindelof is the same guy who co-created Lost and The Leftovers, I figured his take/sequel to Watchmen would be weird. But as I write in this review of the first episode, I didn't count on it being this weird.
[url=https://bamsmackpow.com/2019/10/21/watchmen-season-1-episode-1-review/]Watchmen season 1, episode 1 review: It’s Summer and We’re Running Out of Ice[/url]
[QUOTE=Gorthon616;4374152]Well it's clearly not rehashing the comic.
It looks like a really terrible heavy-handed social commentary piece that simply uses Watchmen imagery, ideas, memes, etc. Of course, purely speculating. But that's the impression that I got.[/QUOTE]
Um. The original comic was full of social commentary.
[QUOTE=Kirby101;4642285]Um. The original comic was full of social commentary.[/QUOTE]
Wanted to mention that there's a difference between inserting social/political commentary where it's deserved and warranted and where it isn't deserved and warranted.
[QUOTE=Gorthon616;4374152]Well it's clearly not rehashing the comic.
It looks like a really terrible heavy-handed social commentary piece that simply uses Watchmen imagery, ideas, memes, etc. Of course, purely speculating. But that's the impression that I got.[/QUOTE]
This is Watchmen. It’s entirely heavy handed socio-political commentary only from an 80s perspective.
If you don’t like politics or social commentary in your fiction, then you might want to stay clear of Watchmen. Or most of Alan Moore’s work for that matter.
[QUOTE=daBronzeBomma;4641771]I'm surprised that [spoil] they basically "Ned-Starked" Don Johnson in the very first episode, as he probably is the most famous actor of the bunch, and I thought he'd be the Male lead for the series, but it clearly looks like I'm seeing now ... any idea why Louis Gossett Jr killed him?[/spoil][/QUOTE]
[spoil]Not really all that surprising, since I think it's been clear from the beginning that they've been building up Regina King as the star of the show. Plus, and I mean this with all due respect to Don Johnson, but Regina King and Jeremy Irons are probably the most famous actors attached to this show.[/spoil]
I absolutely loved the first episode! Starting things off with the Tulsa Massacre was a shocking way to start but it definitely sets the tone for the show. It struck me that there are similarities between Hooded Justice’s story and that of Superman. The destruction of the world he knew, parents sacrificing themselves to save him, being placed in a vehicle and sent away to safety.
I think it’s a brilliant touch to have Rorschach’s mask represent white supremacy and right wing ideology. Alan Moore never meant for Rorschach to be a beloved hero. He represented the fascist side of superheroes. We see that Rorschach having sent his diary to the then conspiracy theory paper, has caused a lot of people to believe the alien invasion was faked. While the government has to put on crazy displays (raining squids) to keep up the charade. But the cops covering up their faces and whatever the hell Tim Blake Nelson’s character is up to, also reeks of fascism. Not a lot of good guys in this world.
Btw, are people seriously complaining that the direct sequel to one of the most politics heavy comics of all time is “too political”?
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Btw, are people seriously complaining that the direct sequel to one of the most politics heavy comics of all time is “too political”?[/QUOTE]
They do when it's politics they don't like.
[QUOTE=Robotman;4642526]Btw, are people seriously complaining that the direct sequel to one of the most politics heavy comics of all time is “too political”?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kirby101;4642558]They do when it's politics they don't like.[/QUOTE]
Again I repeat, there's a difference between inserting social/political commentary where it's deserved and warranted and where it isn't deserved and warranted. Saying that "Watchmen/comics were always political" and responses to that effect doesn't automatically negate all criticism in regards to how politics are handled in shows, movies, etc.
Comics weren't immune to criticism and never will be, even if the political card is played.
[QUOTE=Electricmastro;4642680]Again I repeat, there's a difference between inserting social/political commentary where it's deserved and warranted and where it isn't deserved and warranted. Saying that "Watchmen/comics were always political" and responses to that effect doesn't automatically negate all criticism in regards to how politics are handled in shows, movies, etc.
Comics weren't immune to criticism and never will be, even if the political card is played.[/QUOTE]
Why isn't the political commentary warranted here. When that is clearly the story these creators want to tell. The same as Moore wanting to tell his.
[QUOTE=Electricmastro;4642680]Again I repeat, there's a difference between inserting social/political commentary where it's deserved and warranted and where it isn't deserved and warranted. Saying that "Watchmen/comics were always political" and responses to that effect doesn't automatically negate all criticism in regards to how politics are handled in shows, movies, etc.
Comics weren't immune to criticism and never will be, even if the political card is played.[/QUOTE]
How do you determine when it's "warranted" or not? I'm not sure what you consider to be the distinction.
[QUOTE=j9ac9k;4642753][B]How do you determine when it's "warranted" or not? [/B] I'm not sure what you consider to be the distinction.[/QUOTE]
Easy who is doing the talking?
For some as long as the voice is not from a POC (mainly black)-it's okay.
Watchmen, American Flag and others have always had social commentary. However the voice has not always come from a POC.
[QUOTE]Again I repeat, there's a difference between inserting social/political commentary where it's deserved and warranted and where it isn't deserved and warranted. Saying that "Watchmen/comics were always political" and responses to that [B]effect doesn't automatically negate all criticism in regards to how politics are handled in shows, movies, etc.[/B]
Comics weren't immune to criticism and never will be, even if the political card is played.[/QUOTE]
It does when it's a cherry picking argument. Because the definition of politics seems to VARY.
Just doing that opening seems to have offended folks for showing an historical moment.
Would those complaining take issue if the opening showed the Irish riots of 1916? Northern soldiers fighting in the Civil War? If not. WHY the issue with Tulsa opening?
[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;4642803]Easy who is doing the talking?
For some as long as the voice is not from a POC (mainly black)-it's okay.
Watchmen, American Flag and others have always had social commentary. However the voice has not always come from a POC.
It does when it's a cherry picking argument. Because the definition of politics seems to VARY.
Just doing that opening seems to have offended folks for showing an historical moment.
Would those complaining take issue if the opening showed the Irish riots of 1916? Northern soldiers fighting in the Civil War? If not. WHY the issue with Tulsa opening?[/QUOTE]
Quoted for the purest of truths.
Besides, when discussing an explicitly political work like Watchmen, the appropriateness of the application of politics shouldn't really come up.
It's like taking issue with sexual politics in James Baldwin's "Another Country" when that's the exact point of the story.
What I find stunningly surprising is that so many Americans don't even know about the Tulsa massacre.
When discussing the series with some folks, they are just finding out about it. Granted the state pretty much blocked media coverage about it, it strikes me as odd.
[QUOTE=Username taken;4643213]What I find stunningly surprising is that so many Americans don't even know about the Tulsa massacre.
When discussing the series with some folks, they are just finding out about it. Granted the state pretty much blocked media coverage about it, it strikes me as odd.[/QUOTE]
It no longer surprises me what Americans don't know.
[QUOTE=Kirby101;4643391]It no longer surprises me what Americans don't know.[/QUOTE]
I knew about the Massacre I'm a history buff but I don't remember ever learning about it in school which is ridiculous because let's be clear this wasn't a riot and while massacre fits the deaths the truth was bombs were dropped on an American City this was an act of terrorism verging on an act of war and the fact most weren't thought it is a disgrace.
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I think itÂ’s a brilliant touch to have RorschachÂ’s mask represent white supremacy and right wing ideology.
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[font=georgia]I'll admit, that turn did get me (damn you Jackie Earl Haley). From the brief trailers there was no indication other than a group of citizens, more than likely armed, took up the Rorschach mantle. I figured it would be like one of the Elseworld stories where street gangs all had Bat-Logos. So, I can't help but tie back into the original Charlton characters for Rorschach. I think this HBO Rorschach is more Ditko Mister A than Snyder Rorschach. The dots are connected a little more smooth if we're going to have what we might think, a large group of white supremacists finds causation in adopting the Rorschach mantle. Mr. A was absolute and that wouldn't be a large leap for a bonehead, now ignoring the criminals within his own ranks seems to not jive with the Moore Watchmen Rorschach so well. Then too look at who we're dealing with. Very interesting.
Also, It was kinda tough to explain to my wife what the building blocks of this narrative might be based on the existing source material (and the movie right). It's actually kinda cool to have a cape show and be more or less blind like the GA, I'm digging that.
As and aside, Sister Night is gonna be a really dope cosplay for a ton of chicks lol.[/font]
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[B]Just doing that opening seems to have offended folks for showing an historical moment.[/B]
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[font=georgia]Yea. Even one of the popular YT guys who pump out constant review videos for DC/Marvel cape shows/movies didn't mention the Tulsa massacre as even being race related- which was the whole point, he just said 'a massacre'. Kind of disappointing in that this dude has source material background for everytime a CW or one of the new Titan's show character passes gas but for this show- that ties to an ACTUAL event he pulled way back in the most vaguest of terms. For reasons.[/font]
[quote]Would those complaining take issue if the opening showed the Irish riots of 1916? Northern soldiers fighting in the Civil War? If not. WHY the issue with Tulsa opening?[/QUOTE]
[font=georgia]That would be a no. In fact they could take the Irish riots, change all the characters to anamorphic animals... let's just say ferrets and that shit might win them an Emmy.[/font]
I am seeing a discussion of this elsewhere. Especially the attention it is bringing to the Tulsa Massacre. It seems the "politics" in this show is bringing a dark chapter of this country to light. So not only is it appropriate within the show, it is doing a service by making more people aware.
Hearing more about the plot makes me slightly more interested. But I'm apprehensive that the show runners are going to make superheroes look cool ( like Zack Snyder did). That would be the opposite of the point of the original story.
Awesome season premiere.