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[QUOTE=Slicknickshady;5162376]Who would have guessed back in the early 90s.. that come 2020 Liefeld would be on the same page as Claremont in hating the current stuff! I actually agree with a Claremont and Liefeld.
This is BS and you know it! There are a lot of legit reasons this current Krakoa stuff is trash! This Hickman stuff isn’t good people.[/QUOTE]
What has Claremont said about hox/pox/dox?
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he doesnt like it but also says he hasn't read it so moot opinion
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[QUOTE=Ferro;5162431]he doesnt like it but also says he hasn't read it so moot opinion[/QUOTE]
So just the concept? Does anyone have links to comments he might've made?
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Claremont never really gave any clear feelings, I think someone told him something about the current run that he called nonsense and that's as far as it goes.
Had to do with some relationship.
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[QUOTE=Woozie;5162473]Claremont never really gave any clear feelings, I think someone told him something about the current run that he called nonsense and that's as far as it goes.
Had to do with some relationship.[/QUOTE]
Oh, ok. Well, there are many relationships right now that could be called nonsense.
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Liefeld also went on a rant a while back because Deadpool 3 got put on the backburner after the Fox merger, so there's a pretty substantial history of "old man yells at cloud" when the era that he got his big start in gets shafted/looks like it's being shafted/isnt the main status quo
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[QUOTE=gonnagiveittoya;5162390]Yeah I don't mind Hickman's new take but inferencing that people who aren't fans of a massive, line-wide overhaul to the status quo just don't like it because of hangups with actual, real life minorities is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
People are like that all the time, though.
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Time travel shit. Future babies coming to the present. XTREME manliness. 90s reverence.
I reject Liefeld's vision of the X-Men.
Like a kidney stone...hard pass.
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It would be easier to say "What does Claremont like that Claremont didn't write?"
You have fingers left on one hand.
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[QUOTE=Kitty&Piotr<3;5163289]Time travel shit. Future babies coming to the present. XTREME manliness. 90s reverence.
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Sounds right up Hickman's alley.
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[QUOTE=cranger;5163612]Sounds right up Hickman's alley.[/QUOTE]
At least the first two, right? Not sure about the last two...
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As a comic reader who started and in 90's and grew the love the team during the time, and a kid who watched the 90's cartoon religiously and will still watch an episode or 2 on Disney Plus every now and then, I have to say I really appreciate the heart and nostalgia from that time era.
That said, I haven't been this excited to read, (and buy), comics since Claremont's X-Treme X-Men. What Hickman is doing is exciting and fun and brings some energy back to to the X-Men comics.
Liefeld's tweet implies the X-Men's creative team doesn't know the characters. I disagree. Hickman's know the characters and is moving the whole franchise forward.
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[QUOTE=Hizashi;5163642]At least the first two, right? Not sure about the last two...[/QUOTE]
He does favor powerful, egotistical alpha males with violent streaks, (apocalypse, magneto, sinister, etc...) that rather fits.
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[QUOTE=anyajenkins;5163831]He does favor powerful, egotistical alpha males with violent streaks, (apocalypse, magneto, sinister, etc...) that rather fits.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I guess I just define manliness differently.
Well, if that's the case then I hope he leaves certain X-Men out of that interpretation.
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[QUOTE=anyajenkins;5163831]He does favor powerful, egotistical alpha males with violent streaks, (apocalypse, magneto, sinister, etc...) that rather fits.[/QUOTE]
While I agree... I don't think it's limited to men since he likes Monet and Emma who possess those characteristics too. Basically egotistical characters in general are fun for him to write I guess.