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[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;5533658]I don't know how real-world issues really play into Wanda being a Pretender, but from the Comics side of things---which this is----[I]to me at least[/I], it makes no sense.
I do not think everyone feels this way, and that is their right. But then others get mad and defend Wanda. It is up-and-down it seems, whenever someone feels that it is okay for them to either say something against Wanda or to defend her. On this thread at least, I thought we were giving our opinions as a safe spot in which to do so and also that us Wanda lovers would feel the same way. Maybe I am wrong??
I just feel that if the history of the character was taken into account, this accusation, would never have been made. Just MOHO. :)[/QUOTE]
Oh this is a safe spot to feel welcomed and to share your views on what you feel about with Wanda in a respect ping thread, I am so sorry if my post was up in any way felt like the opposite. :(
I was just trying to get at about what writers are by writing what they might be doing and why they don’t follow canon yet to tell the lesson of the story. But fans are right to respect canon and others should respect the canon even though the stories point is not fully understanding yet.
I hope that made more sense, feel free to feel welcome and safe anytime here for all loving fans.
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[QUOTE=Rang10;5534183]Oh well the X-men books started calling her the pretender so they have to fix it now. They should had left it alone[/QUOTE]
Lol, I don't think that's a good basis for fixing her though. I think they are doing that to fix how mutants handle dealing with the fallout from Decimation. I don't think writers are doing it to slight the character. I think some fans are using it that way though.
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[QUOTE=Cruelrain;5534211]i'm not ok with how the x-men writers been depicting Wanda and all this pretender stuff but if we have to blame someone it's the Avengers office... They tried in Children's Crusade but failed horrifly, it just wasn't enough and i don't think anyone cares about that story anyways since Doom will be attending the gala and he was involved in the decimation in sorf way even if they pretend it doesn't exists, that still cannon...
The x-side will keep demonizing till someone in the Avengers office puts a stop of it and since she's not a character of the X franchise they don't have the obligation to "fix" her... The sad truth[/QUOTE]
Avengers office definitely had way more chances to fix all of it. And their editors signed off on all of it.
I don't think the pretender stuff is meant to stick around. Judging by the interview with Spurrier.
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[QUOTE=Rang10;5534352]Wanda helped Hope make new mutants being born and wished Phoenix away before she lose control. For me it was a good moment of redemption
Avengers office can do something to help Wanda, but i gonna bet X-office gonna ignore it
they demonize ecause for now they can get away with it, if people come together to denounce the sexism on it, they gonna stop doing it[/QUOTE]
Yes, Wanda helped the Mutant Messiah, create new mutants, but she didn't undo M-Day, which is the main reason the X-men hate her. Of course, M-Day will never be undone because Marvel want the X-men to be a prosecuted minority forever.
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I have believed for years that editorial wanted to cull some mutants; maybe they really felt there were too many for them to be credible as this minority. That is essentially what I came to believe.
So they used Wanda to do that. Pure and simple. She bears the brunt of an editorial decision. for how many years?
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[QUOTE=Oberon;5534723]I have believed for years that editorial wanted to cull some mutants; maybe they really felt there were too many for them to be credible as this minority. That is essentially what I came to believe.
So they used Wanda to do that. Pure and simple. She bears the brunt of an editorial decision. for how many years?[/QUOTE]
That's exactly it. The likes of Quesada wanted to keep the numbers down so they tried everything to wipe out as much mutants as possible. Sadly Wanda was just one tool in the toolbox and has suffered for the last 15 years because of it
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[QUOTE=Oberon;5534723]I have believed for years that editorial wanted to cull some mutants; maybe they really felt there were too many for them to be credible as this minority. That is essentially what I came to believe.
So they used Wanda to do that. Pure and simple. She bears the brunt of an editorial decision. for how many years?[/QUOTE]
Maybe they could've not been a minority, and move past the whole "mutant race metaphor" thing
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[QUOTE=Oberon;5534723]I have believed for years that editorial wanted to cull some mutants; maybe they really felt there were too many for them to be credible as this minority. That is essentially what I came to believe.
So they used Wanda to do that. Pure and simple. She bears the brunt of an editorial decision. for how many years?[/QUOTE]
And it's dumb because even when they were millions, there are billions of people. There are millions of lots of minority groups.
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[QUOTE=GenericUsername;5534525]Avengers office definitely had way more chances to fix all of it. And their editors signed off on all of it.
I don't think the pretender stuff is meant to stick around. Judging by the interview with Spurrier.[/QUOTE]
Brevoort had every chance to fix the mess and shut it once and for all but he choose to go for more controversy over and over again
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5535549]Brevoort had every chance to fix the mess and shut it once and for all but he choose to go for more controversy over and over again[/QUOTE]
Yep, because to him, angering people sells.
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[QUOTE=GenericUsername;5535862]Yep, because to him, angering people sells.[/QUOTE]
Well they do say Controversy sells and any publicity is good publicity
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[QUOTE=leokearon;5536405]Well they do say Controversy sells and any publicity is good publicity[/QUOTE]
That is true in a lot of cases, but it rarely makes good fictional stories. Because it brings about such ridiculousness for shock value. I don't think it was good publicity for Wanda. I don't even think it was for Marvel. Because while events sell, comics still struggle to stay relevant.
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Wanda's niece Luna in in the current issue of Fantastic Four, her son Billy is in Guardians, and Doctor Doom appears in both. Do you think Doom's appearances in these stories will have an impact on the Darkhold mini?
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[QUOTE=Witchfan;5536848]Wanda's niece Luna in in the current issue of Fantastic Four, her son Billy is in Guardians, and Doctor Doom appears in both. Do you think Doom's appearances in these stories will have an impact on the Darkhold mini?[/QUOTE]
I doubt it.
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[QUOTE=Witchfan;5536848]Wanda's niece Luna in in the current issue of Fantastic Four, her son Billy is in Guardians, and Doctor Doom appears in both. Do you think Doom's appearances in these stories will have an impact on the Darkhold mini?[/QUOTE]
Characters appearances in one book have no bearing on them in another. Has been that way since Shooter left.