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Johns was not the first to put Steve Trevor on the sidelines. Trevor has had much less of a role in Wonder Woman books since Pérez. Trevor actually feels like he is more relevant than ever with The New 52.
Anyway, I asked this same question when I first joined these boards about a year ago (?). I highly recommend [I]The Circle[/I] by Gail Simone and "A Day in the Life" by Phil Jimenez. Most people would agree that the beginning of Simone's run was good. It gets pretty ugly, pretty fast after [I]The Circle[/I] though. Also, if you really want to understand Wonder Woman, you need to go back to her most definitive runs: Marston and Pérez. Her Golden Age stories are very much dated, but Marston had a very specific and clear vision of his character, which no writer has really done justice. And like you mentioned yourself, Pérez reinvented her for a new generation.
Also, [I]Earth One[/I] by Morrison should be interesting. He has always had distinctive ideas about and insights into these age-old characters.
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[QUOTE=Hawk80;326037]She lacks the intelligence, the grace, the royalty and the ability to anticipate the actions of the enemies of her previous self. She is only able to react. No basic strategic ability.
And the compassion? She trust everyone, sure... but it's more naivety than compassion...[/QUOTE]
No she really trust in people, she can make mistake with some. She wants to give a 2nd chance to people, this is noble not naive.
she have her strategy, but like real life she can't antecipate 100% of events.
Johns wasn't the first, but he had the face to bring Steve in the right age just to split WW and trevor.
I heard Perez didn't thought Trevor wasn't man enough to date WW or something like this. I don't know if it's true, but anyway he made a huge mistake.
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[QUOTE=Hawk80;325549]Those who like Azzarello's run probably never liked WW much, didn't cared about her or never read about her.[/QUOTE]
How would you feel/react if someone wrote this but instead mentioning a run you really liked?
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[QUOTE=Blacksun;325931]Steve Trevor the first one to ignore it was Johns...who knows if Azz wanted him to show up somehow and couldn't because of editorial. he probably is in her origin tale[/QUOTE]
Why do you think Azz wouldn't be allowed to use Steve just because Johns was using him? Johns is far from the only writer to use Steve in the New 52 as the following other writers have used Steve:
Jeff Lemire - Justice League Dark
Charles Soule - Superman/Wonder Woman
Sterling Gates - A.R.G.U.S.
and that's just off the top of my head.
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[QUOTE=borntohula;326175]How would you feel/react if someone wrote this but instead mentioning a run you really liked?[/QUOTE]
While I can't speak for Hawk80, I have seen a good number of comic readers make recent comments along the lines that Hawk80 suggested. In fact, even a bunch of the comic site review people have made comments similar to those that Hawk80 listed. I'm sure that doesn't include everyone that likes Azz's run but it has been at least a semi-frequent thing when it comes to those voicing their opinions online from what I've seen.
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[QUOTE=Dr. Poison;326233]While I can't speak for Hawk80, I have seen a good number of comic readers make recent comments along the lines that Hawk80 suggested. In fact, even a bunch of the comic site review people have made comments similar to those that Hawk80 listed. I'm sure that doesn't include everyone that likes Azz's run but it has been at least a semi-frequent thing when it comes to those voicing their opinions online from what I've seen.[/QUOTE]
This is what I was trying to say. No more, no less.
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Okay, enough talking about what fans do and do not like Azzarello.
Back to the topic, please :)
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[QUOTE=Dr. Poison;326221]Why do you think Azz wouldn't be allowed to use Steve just because Johns was using him? Johns is far from the only writer to use Steve in the New 52 as the following other writers have used Steve:
Jeff Lemire - Justice League Dark
Charles Soule - Superman/Wonder Woman
Sterling Gates - A.R.G.U.S.
and that's just off the top of my head.[/QUOTE]
Argus was a mini made to feature trevor, so it doesn't count.
JLD he didn't interacted with WW.
smww was just to put him down.
and there was johns using him, the many times results in "my toys".
if azz had any intentions of making him have a good relationshio with WW, I doubt they would let it happen. there isn't any mention of steve in the new run.
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[QUOTE=Blacksun;326323]Argus was a mini made to feature trevor, so it doesn't count.
JLD he didn't interacted with WW.
smww was just to put him down.
and there was johns using him, the many times results in "my toys".
if azz had any intentions of making him have a good relationshio with WW, I doubt they would let it happen. there isn't any mention of steve in the new run.[/QUOTE]
My point was that other writers besides Johns have been able to use Steve. As for the current run of Wonder Woman being void of Steve, it's void of ALL of Diana's non-mythological supporting cast and villains. No Steve, Etta, Nemesis, Cheetah, Giganta, Dr. Psycho, Queen Clea, etc.
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[QUOTE=Dr. Poison;326361]My point was that other writers besides Johns have been able to use Steve. As for the current run of Wonder Woman being void of Steve, it's void of ALL of Diana's non-mythological supporting cast and villains. No Steve, Etta, Nemesis, Cheetah, Giganta, Dr. Psycho, Queen Clea, etc.[/QUOTE]
because some writer could do something doesn't mean other writer could do it. Snyder could use Lois, but Pak couldn't.
Steve was mentioned in #19 different from these other characters
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There is no evidence whatsoever that Azzarello was forbidden by DC to use Steve. The outstanding likelihood without any more info is that Steve was absent because Azzarello himself had no desire to use him.
And the only reason why Pak couldn't utilize Lois while Snyder was able to is because Pak was working strictly within the continuity in which there were already plans for Lois involving Brainiac, the basis of which made her ill-fitting for the role Pak wrote Lana in. Unchained on the other had is basically in its own self-contained world, it wasn't designed to follow anything in the two main books.
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[QUOTE=Blacksun;326456]because some writer could do something doesn't mean other writer could do it. Snyder could use Lois, but Pak couldn't.
Steve was mentioned in #19 different from these other characters[/QUOTE]
Well, it seems strange to me that Johns, Lemire, Soule, and Gates could all use Steve and only Azzarello couldn't.
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OK whoa folks! I didn't mean to start any conflicts just wanted some advice. I'm glad you're all so passionate about the character! This is why I chose to pose the question to you :)
You all know your stuff and you love WW through and through. I'll read the current run (really not thrilled about the next team coming in though just from personal experience) and I'll check out Perez, Simone, Jeminez, and Rucka. I'll even go back and dig into the old Marston stuff if only to see the original vision for the character. Hell, Marston was interesting enough in real life. Thank you for all of your support and i hope I'll one day dig Diana as much as you all do. She seems like a WONDERFUL character (sorry lol)!
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As a newly converted fan, I'd say Azzarello's run worked all right as an introduction to the character for me. First time I ever picked up a WW comic book, and it encouraged me to learn more about her and check out her previous portrayals. And the Cliff Chiang artwork is magnificent, probably my favorite depiction of Diana.
But reading a bit more of her past publications, the current run doesn't really have much focus on her as it is very plot-driven. George Pérez run is a good place to start getting to know more of Diana's history and mission, its really interesting to contrast that take on her origins to the one we're dealing with right now. And while Phil Jimenez run had a lot of editorial interference, he has a really good perception of the character and there were some excellent issues within his run.
I'd also recommend Greg Rucka's run for a more modern take on her, and the Allan Heinberg's relaunch that continues from there was fun. Beyond that, I enjoyed The Circle despite not being a Gail Simone fan, but her run missed the mark for me after that.
That's as far as I've gotten, and I'm looking into the Marston stuff now. We'll see how that goes.
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[QUOTE=peterob;326687]OK whoa folks! I didn't mean to start any conflicts just wanted some advice. I'm glad you're all so passionate about the character! This is why I chose to pose the question to you :)
You all know your stuff and you love WW through and through. I'll read the current run (really not thrilled about the next team coming in though just from personal experience) and I'll check out Perez, Simone, Jeminez, and Rucka. I'll even go back and dig into the old Marston stuff if only to see the original vision for the character. Hell, Marston was interesting enough in real life. Thank you for all of your support and i hope I'll one day dig Diana as much as you all do. She seems like a WONDERFUL character (sorry lol)![/QUOTE]
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