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Hoping for a good showing Jason Todd aka Red Hood for 2021.
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Hoping for a good showing Jason Todd aka Red Hood for 2021.
Happy new year to everybody.
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[SIZE=3][B]Current[/B]/Upcoming Appearances:[/SIZE]
[U]In comics:[/U]
[LIST][*][i][B]Task Force Z[/B][/i] written by Matthew Rosenberg, with art by Eddy Barrows and Eber Ferreira[*][I][B]Future State: Gotham[/B][/I] written by Joshua Williamson and Dennis Culver, with art by Giannis Milonogiannis[*][I][B]Suicide Squad: Get Joker![/B][/I] written by Brian Azzarello, with art by Alex Maleev[*][i][B]Titans United[/B][/i] written by Cavan Scott, with art by Jose Luis[*][i][B]Robins[/B][/i] written by Tim Seeley, with art by Baldemar Rivas (DC Round Robin)[*](side-character) [i]Dark Knights of Steel[/i] written by Tom Taylor, with art by Yasmine Putri[*][i]Beyond the White Knight[/i] written/drawn by Sean Murphy ([I]Batman: White Knight[/I] universe)
[*](fan-made) [i][B]Batman: Wayne Family Adventures[/B][/i] written by CRC Payne, with art by StarBite[/LIST]
[U]Past comic appearances (in 2021)[/U]
[LIST][*][I]Future State: Dark Detective[/I] #2 and #4: [I]The Red Hood[/I] written by Joshua Williamson, with art by Giannis Milonogiannis[*][I]Truth & Justice #4[/I] written by Jeff Trammell, with art by Rob Guillory (digital first release)[*][I]Batman: Urban Legends[/I] (Anthology) #1-#6: [I]Batman/Red Hood[/I] written by Chip Zdarsky, with art by Eddy Barrows
(collected in [i]Batman: Urban Legends[/i] Vol. 1)[*][i]The Road to Task Force Z[/i] - back-up in [i]Detective Comics[/i] #1041 - #1043, written by Matthew Rosenberg, with art by Darick Robertson[*](guest appearance) [i]Robin[/i] #5 written by Joshua Williamson, with art by Gleb Melnikov[*](guest appearance) [i]Nightwing Annual 2021[/i] #1 written by Tom Taylor, with art by Cian Tormey[*](on the cover of) [i]Batman: Fear State: Omega[/i] #1[/LIST]
[U]Other media:[/U]
[LIST][*][I]Gotham Knights[/I] game (delayed until 2022)[*][i]Young Justice[/i] (cartoon), season 4[*][I]Titans [/I](TV series), season 3[*]XM Red Hood (Samurai Series) 1/4 Premium Collectibles Statue by XM Studios[*]McFarlane Toys DC MULTIVERSE - Red Hood Unmasked (Gold Label)[*]McFarlane Toys DC MULTIVERSE Batman Three Jokers - Red Hood[*]McFarlane Toys DC Multiverse DCeased Unkillables - Red Hood[*]McFarlane Toys DC Gaming - Red Hood[*]Batman: Arkham Knight Amazing Yamaguchi Revoltech No.24 Arkham Knight Action Figure[*]Batman: Hush MAFEX No.133 Hush[/LIST]
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[B]Background information:[/B]
[SIZE=5][COLOR="#B22222"]"I'm my own man! Me, Jason Todd!"[/COLOR][/SIZE]
(Batman #408)[/CENTER]
[I]
Jason Peter Todd, born and risen in Lady City of Gotham's crudest part, came to become the [B]second Robin[/B], the [B]Red Hood[/B] and the [B]Wingman[/B]; the [B]Arkham Knight[/B] of a different, grimmer universe; The [B]Damned Prince of Gotham[/B] who suffered and died by the hand of the Clown Prince of Crime - but also the young man whose sheer will and bad luck couldn't let him rest and who made his way back from the grave.
Vigilante, avenger: he fights for fairness, for setting the wrong right and for defending and protecting those who cannot fend themselves, and he will do so crossing lines into dark areas or delivering a brutal brand of justice. A daring and sassy adventurer who has traveled not only this world and the space, but other universes. A flawed man who fights not only the monsters out but also inside, who fears the ghosts of memories and suffers from them and despite that will fight back with determination. A man who can despise himself as much as he despises others; Who makes mistakes but also rights; Who can love as much as long for being loved, and hate as much as he loves. Who can lose himself in anger as well as in loneliness.
Jason Peter Todd is a complex character, product of a complex editorial history. This is his appreciation thread and this is how we come to appreciate and ramble about him.[/I]
(Thanks @Zaresh for writing the above introduction.)
[B][SIZE=4]Quick two-step introduction to Jason Todd/Red Hood[/SIZE][/B]
[B]Step 1:[/B] Watch [I]Batman: Under the Red Hood[/I]
[B]Step 2[/B]: Read the current Rebirth run of [I]Red Hood and the Outlaws[/I] (renamed [I]Red Hood: Outlaw[/I] with issue 27 and [i]Red Hood[/i] with issue 51), trades:
[LIST][*]Red Hood and the Outlaws Vol 1 - Dark Trinity[*]Red Hood and the Outlaws Vol 2 - Who is Artemis?[*]Red Hood and the Outlaws Vol 3 - Bizarro Reborn[*]Red Hood and the Outlaws Vol 4 - Good Night Gotham[*]Red Hood: Outlaw Vol 1 - Requiem for an Archer[*]Red Hood: Outlaw Vol 2 - Prince of Gotham[*]Red Hood: Outlaw Vol 3 - Generation Outlaw[*]Red Hood: Outlaw Vol 4 - Unspoken Truths[/LIST]
[B]Old Threads:[/B]
[URL="https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?133481-Jason-Todd-Robin-Red-Hood-Arkham-Knight-Appreciation-2020"]Jason Todd: Robin, Red Hood, Arkham Knight Appreciation 2020[/URL]
[URL="https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?119829-Jason-Todd-Robin-Red-Hood-Arkham-Knight-Appreciation-2019"]Jason Todd: Robin, Red Hood, Arkham Knight, Prince of Gotham Appreciation 2019 [/URL]
[URL="https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?364-Jason-Todd-Robin-Arkham-Knight-Red-Hood-Appreciation-2018"]Jason Todd: Robin, Arkham Knight, Red Hood Appreciation 2018[/URL] (actually 2014-2018)
[B]Fanfic recommendations:[/B]
[URL="https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?119829-Jason-Todd-Robin-Red-Hood-Arkham-Knight-Prince-of-Gotham-Appreciation-2019&p=4116091&viewfull=1#post4116091"]List of recommended fanfic authors[/URL]
[URL="https://cutt.ly/jdBc0Bw"]List of recommended fanfics[/URL] ([URL="https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?133481-Jason-Todd-Robin-Red-Hood-Arkham-Knight-Appreciation-2020&p=5087051&viewfull=1#post5087051"]info[/URL])
[B]DC Forum Appreciation Thread rules:[/B]
1) No negative comments about the honoree(s) of this thread. It's an appreciation thread, not a non-appreciation one.
2) No negative discussion about any competitors of the honoree(s) of this thread. No ifs, ands, or buts. Find another non-appreciation thread to do that, just not here.
3) No negative comments about other versions of the character. For example, if you like the DCU version of Cyborg, but hate the DCnU version (or visa versa), just appreciate the earlier version and keep your comments about the latter to yourself.
[center]Kenneth Rocafort will always be my favorite artist for [B]Red Hood[/B] (Jason Todd):
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Happy new year, sweet prince
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Happy 2021
[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;5305517]Happy 2021[/QUOTE]
Happy new year to you all, guys. I hope this 2021 ends up being a way happier year than the previous one.
[QUOTE=Zaresh;5305532]Happy new year to you all, guys. I hope this 2021 ends up being a way happier year than the previous one.[/QUOTE]
I hope so too. Maybe I'm misremembering but I feel like 2020 started very promising - and then a lot of bad stuff happened.
Happy New Year to Jason and all his fans :).
[QUOTE=Sergard;5305631]I hope so too. Maybe I'm misremembering but I feel like 2020 started very promising - and then a lot of bad stuff happened.[/QUOTE]
It started good, yeah. But then, it all went down soon enough, unfortunately.
[QUOTE=Frontier;5305644]Happy New Year to Jason and all his fans :).[/QUOTE]
Wish you the same. Wish you the best this year.
Happy new year to my favorite robin.
Surprised Tynion's newsletter hasn't been posted yet.
[QUOTE]Urban Legends is going to be a real gift. [B]A lot of storylines will be seeded in that title before they break out into their own titles… There are also more books to come in the Gotham line as the year goes on. Big moments in the core Gotham titles will set new runs in motion in other titles. Backups and shorts might turn into one-shots and miniseries and series, and we're working to make sure it all matters.[/B][/QUOTE]
[url]https://bleedingcool.com/comics/james-tynion-iv-has-a-three-year-plan-for-batman-and-the-joker/[/url]
I'm not sure about what to think of these possibilities, to be honest. For a unified storyline running among multiple titles to work, it needs that the person in charge of it has the needed chops to spin so many plates at once and unfortunately, DC has proved again and again that they no longer have people around able to do that. Furthermore, Tynion is the current architect of the Batman universe for the foreseeable future, and I've never liked his work or the creative choices he makes (to not mention that the one time he wrote Jason it was an unreadable mess) so I'm worried the remedy ends up being worse than the sickness.
We'll have to wait and see, I guess.
Sounds like it’ll be a collaborative effort with monthly meetings and such so maybe it’ll be more of them hands off and focused on making sure everybody’s on the same page with recent developments.
[QUOTE=Arsenal;5306293]Sounds like it’ll be a collaborative effort with monthly meetings and such so maybe it’ll be more of them hands off and focused on making sure everybody’s on the same page with recent developments.[/QUOTE]
You realize that is (allegedly) precisely what every major "unified editorial line" has been for a decade. right? Did you forget already of Snyder's claims during Night of Owls? or Tynion's own stint as the Batman Architect during the two Batman Eternal weeklies?
[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;5306303]You realize that is (allegedly) precisely what every major "unified editorial line" has been for a decade. right? Did you forget already of Snyder's claims during Night of Owls? or Tynion's own stint as the Batman Architect during the two Batman Eternal weeklies?[/QUOTE]
C’mon Dark, let me pretend it’ll be different this time until it inevitably proves it’s no different than it was every other time they claimed the exact same thing.
Thinking about it shouldn't an editor be the one in charge of the whole line and not a writer?
[QUOTE=Aahz;5306333]Thinking about it shouldn't an editor be the one in charge of the whole line and not a writer?[/QUOTE]
Should be, but writers (Snyder in particular)have been calling the shot for at least, since Zero Year.
[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;5306340]Should be, but writers (Snyder in particular)have been calling the shot for at least, since Zero Year.[/QUOTE]
Well, not all writers. Only some. Those ones, like Snyder and Bendis, wrote their own story events which would then have the snowball effect of derailing smaller books/not so big name writers. Joker War for Jason is a recent example of this.
[QUOTE=Aahz;5306333]Thinking about it shouldn't an editor be the one in charge of the whole line and not a writer?[/QUOTE]
I think it should be Chief Creative Officer but I don't know who's that now... oh it's Jim Lee
Anyway, I like writer leading because that means we get character/plot first direction instead of marketing, with editor's job is only to keep them consistent with the other books
[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;5306286]Surprised Tynion's newsletter hasn't been posted yet.
[url]https://bleedingcool.com/comics/james-tynion-iv-has-a-three-year-plan-for-batman-and-the-joker/[/url]
I'm not sure about what to think of these possibilities, to be honest. For a unified storyline running among multiple titles to work, it needs that the person in charge of it has the needed chops to spin so many plates at once and unfortunately, DC has proved again and again that they no longer have people around able to do that. Furthermore, Tynion is the current architect of the Batman universe for the foreseeable future, and I've never liked his work or the creative choices he makes (to not mention that the one time he wrote Jason it was an unreadable mess) so I'm worried the remedy ends up being worse than the sickness.
We'll have to wait and see, I guess.[/QUOTE]
I've seen that newsletter in other threads. I'm not sure about what to think of it either. This sounds like they are planning ahead for a long period of time. But DC is also known for cancellations and changing plans along the way. I'd welcome solos for Red Hood and Grifter and a new Outsiders run though.
[QUOTE=Aahz;5306333]Thinking about it shouldn't an editor be the one in charge of the whole line and not a writer?[/QUOTE]
Weren't a lot of editors fired in the last lay-offs?
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;5307016]I think it should be Chief Creative Officer but I don't know who's that now... oh it's Jim Lee
[B]
Anyway, I like writer leading because that means we get character/plot first direction instead of marketing[/B], with editor's job is only to keep them consistent with the other books[/QUOTE]
I prefer it when editors are more hands-on and tell a writer no if they are going overboard with their ideas. Especially DC writers are prone to playing favorites and pushing their darling characters while dragging other characters through the mire.
Beyond Tynion's words as a whole giving me more hope for a potential Red Hood solo after his B:UL arc, the thing that stood out to me the most is this:
[QUOTE]For the first time in the history of my working in and around Gotham City, I have an answer to pretty much to the "where can I find THIS character" for every fan-favorite.[/QUOTE]
Hoping they give lesser Batfamily members more to do and more consistently. Tynion being in charge of the whole line and it being more tight could be good, but I also don't find him a particularly amazing writer (enjoying his Batman, though) and it's just empty words for now.
Also, kinda like Grifter becoming a part of the Gotham portion of the DC universe. I admit I know very little of the WildStorm guys, but I like him alright in the sporadic appearence I've seen him of him.
[QUOTE=Sergard;5307448]
I prefer it when editors are more hands-on and tell a writer no if they are going overboard with their ideas. Especially DC writers are prone to playing favorites and pushing their darling characters while dragging other characters through the mire.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah that's part of the editing. The idea comes from writers or the chief creative officer since they're the creatives. Editors cut things down, keep things consistent, and in character. Should be that way at least. I don't know what DC editors actually do since there's no consistency, but I don't want them, the non creatives to create ideas. That's how we got New 52 Tim is never Robin and amnesia Dick. On the other hand if Jason's moved on from Joker in Red Hood but not in Batman, that's the editors not doing their job.
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;5307016]Anyway, I like writer leading because that means we get character/plot first direction instead of marketing, with editor's job is only to keep them consistent with the other books[/QUOTE]Dwepends probably on the Editor, Denny O'Niel who was the main Batman Editor for a long time was also a writer, and Peter Thomasi used to be an Editor.
Btw. who is actually Batman Group Editor at this point?
[QUOTE=Aahz;5307814]Dwepends probably on the Editor, Denny O'Niel who was the main Batman Editor for a long time was also a writer, and Peter Thomasi used to be an Editor.
Btw. who is actually Batman Group Editor at this point?[/QUOTE]
Ben Abernathy.
Tynion mentions the whole editor crew in his [URL="https://jamestynioniv.********.com/p/24-2020-wrap-up-part-two?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoyMTE1MDQsInBvc3RfaWQiOjMwMDk1OTc5LCJfIjoiajU5bWwiLCJpYXQiOjE2MDk2MTEwMTcsImV4cCI6MTYwOTYxNDYxNywiaXNzIjoicHViLTIxOTkwIiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.AE0xQMAslfZ3MMb68GIbZk-QFm9U2ncvkhzq2cQSD3s"]newsletter[/URL]:
[QUOTE]I also wouldn’t be able to do anything without the trust and support of the incredible Batman editorial group - Ben Abernathy, Paul Kaminski, Jessica Chen, Dave Wielgosz, Amedeo Turturro, and Rob Levin.[/QUOTE]
Also from the newsletter:
[QUOTE]And the new Gotham Anthology title, BATMAN: URBAN LEGENDS featuring the following stories in its first issue:
RED HOOD by Chip Zdarsky and Eddy Barrows
GRIFTER by Matt Rosenberg and Ryan Benjamin
HARLEY QUINN/POISON IVY by Stephanie Phillips and Laura Braga
THE OUTSIDERS by Brandon Thomas and Max Dunbar
[/QUOTE]
So is [i]Red Hood[/i] the official title of Chip Zdarsky's story? I [URL="https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2020/12/14/batman-urban-legends-new-voices-adding-to-the-dark-knights-legacy"]thought[/URL] it's [i]Batman/Red Hood[/i].
Imagine if Chip Zdarksy really gets the Red Hood solo after his Urban Legends arc!! Goddamn!!
I have more hope than never that we will see Red Hodd get his solo back.
[QUOTE=Sergard;5307834]Ben Abernathy.
Tynion mentions the whole editor crew in his [URL="https://jamestynioniv.********.com/p/24-2020-wrap-up-part-two?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoyMTE1MDQsInBvc3RfaWQiOjMwMDk1OTc5LCJfIjoiajU5bWwiLCJpYXQiOjE2MDk2MTEwMTcsImV4cCI6MTYwOTYxNDYxNywiaXNzIjoicHViLTIxOTkwIiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.AE0xQMAslfZ3MMb68GIbZk-QFm9U2ncvkhzq2cQSD3s"]newsletter[/URL]:
Also from the newsletter:
So is [i]Red Hood[/i] the official title of Chip Zdarsky's story? I [URL="https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2020/12/14/batman-urban-legends-new-voices-adding-to-the-dark-knights-legacy"]thought[/URL] it's [i]Batman/Red Hood[/i].[/QUOTE]
That's interesting, thanks for bringing it up.
I don't know what the title will be, then. Might as well go for RED HOOD, it's not like Batman's name isn't in the anthology's cover already, so marketing is already taken care of. B:UL also seems to be using Batman as a vehicle for lesser known characters (well, except for Harley's story), so it'd make more sense to not include Batman's name in those stories as I assume he'll be a factor in all or most of them.
And the premise of the story, while it doesn't necessarily mean anything, seems to point out at this being mostly from Jason's PoV:" renegade vigilante Jason Todd, a.k.a. Red Hood, is investigating a new and lethal drug sweeping through Gotham City. In the course of one night, this investigation will change his life forever—and put him in Batman’s crosshairs".
[QUOTE=Hannibal;5307884]Imagine if Chip Zdarksy really gets the Red Hood solo after his Urban Legends arc!! Goddamn!!
I have more hope than never that we will see Red Hodd get his solo back.[/QUOTE]
That'd be amazing. Zdarsky seems to have a good pulse at street level characters if Daredevil is any indication.
Not too sure, though, he might be too busy to handle another monthly ongoing, but it's certainly not impossible. He's become a big name, however, so if he's to write RH I imagine it'd be due to him liking the character (which I don't know), as Jason's not that big a draw. After all, he's probably excited to be writing Batman with B:UL rather than RH himself.
I wonder if he came up with Jason being part of the story or if it was DC, which is what I assume.
[QUOTE=CorDaytona;5307999]That's interesting, thanks for bringing it up.
I don't know what the title will be, then. Might as well go for RED HOOD, it's not like Batman's name isn't in the anthology's cover already, so marketing is already taken care of. B:UL also seems to be using Batman as a vehicle for lesser known characters (well, except for Harley's story), so it'd make more sense to not include Batman's name in those stories as I assume he'll be a factor in all or most of them.
And the premise of the story, while it doesn't necessarily mean anything, seems to point out at this being mostly from Jason's PoV:" renegade vigilante Jason Todd, a.k.a. Red Hood, is investigating a new and lethal drug sweeping through Gotham City. In the course of one night, this investigation will change his life forever—and put him in Batman’s crosshairs".
That'd be amazing. Zdarsky seems to have a good pulse at street level characters if Daredevil is any indication.
Not too sure, though, he might be too busy to handle another monthly ongoing, but it's certainly not impossible. He's become a big name, however, so if he's to write RH I imagine it'd be due to him liking the character (which I don't know), as Jason's not that big a draw. After all, he's probably excited to be writing Batman with B:UL rather than RH himself.
I wonder if he came up with Jason being part of the story or if it was DC, which is what I assume.[/QUOTE]
I think Red Hood would be the perfect starting point for Zdarski in DC and Batman universe. As you say, he writes so well the « street-level » heroes.
I don’t know how many times he has left on Daredevil, but maybe i’m sure he can do them both full time, around august, after RH’s arc in Legends. Hell Coates does it on thor, venom and king in black!
It's just a hunch, but I think he's going to be on and off writing for the character. Not a month by month work, but maybe a few stories with someone else in the in between? Or not.
Ok, that's me meaning, I don't think he's going to write for Jason after the mini, but I hope he's going come back later on. Also, I hope someone else whose work I don't dislike takes over the character after this 6 issues story.
[QUOTE=Zaresh;5308184]It's just a hunch, but I think he's going to be on and off writing for the character. Not a month by month work, but maybe a few stories with someone else in the in between? Or not.
Ok, that's me meaning, I don't think he's going to write for Jason after the mini, but I hope he's going come back later on. Also, I hope [B]someone else whose work I don't dislike takes over[/B] the character after this 6 issues story.[/QUOTE]
That's actually a big problem for me. There are so many writers that I don't like.
I wish there were more information in general and more interviews with the writers to have a better understanding of how the DC universe is going to look like in 2021 (and the next few years).
I’m sure we’ll get some the closer we get to March.
I can't say I'm too worried about the potential writer. I spent the better part of a decade straight-up disliking Jason's stories and following them by pure inertia and love for the character (quite enjoyed the first few Rebirth arcs and spare issues after that, though). I don't think it can get too much worse for me.
Not knowing is the worst (it'll be like that for a while), but at least we have to look forward to what will probably be a quality story starting March. Other characters have it waaaaay worse.
The choices editorial has made for the entire line in the last few years has got me extremely jaded and generally waiting for the worse.
As an aside I just don't understand the feeling of wanting Jason to be entirely a street-level character since that is the easiest way to make him superfluous to the Batman-mythos since the expanded cast is already filled to the brim with street-level vigilantes.
I think it fits his character the best.
In my case it's because I feel nothing good has come out of his magical connections so far. I find the whole All Caste vs the Untitled thing [I]incredibly [/I]boring and uninteresting, even if I don't dislike the concept. It just... I don't know, it's absolutely nothing to me.
So I guess it all comes down to how it's done: both mystical (he's come back from the dead, after all) and street-level stories can suit him. But I generally have a preference towards street-level characters and I really don't think other Gothamites having that covered is relevant or should automatically mean magical and space adventures for RH.
I also find Jason's backstory and general M.O. to mix really well with more mundane, crime-related stories. My favourite rendition of him is in UtRH for a reason (also helped by its quality as a comic and movie). Not that I want Jason to be [I]that [/I]character anymore (fuck off with Batfamily conflicts and Joker stuff already), but his current persona could still give great stories involving gangsters and criminal supervillains without resorting to ancient wars with high stakes, hell, chosen one treatment and magical swords.
[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;5309541]The choices editorial has made for the entire line in the last few years has got me extremely jaded and generally waiting for the worse.
As an aside I just don't understand the feeling of wanting Jason to be entirely a street-level character since that is the easiest way to make him superfluous to the Batman-mythos since the expanded cast is already filled to the brim with street-level vigilantes.[/QUOTE]
It goes hand in hand with his first definitive image in UTRH. When All-Caste first appear, I was like... where is this coming from? Wasn't he supposed to use guns? I kinda like it because it's so anime and different but I also feel it came from nowhere, even if there's magic spa in Batman lore, I often forget it because it's only used in Ra's story and Ra's stories aren't as often as Joker and the Arkham folks.
I think it's the same idea why people don't like Batman use Bat-mech or other Tony Stark level technology, he's supposed to be more dark knight detective than, well, Tony Stark. Different image.
In the case of Duke, no metas in Gotham and all that.
Also, I think I'm not thinking of him branching out to be different yet because just having a gun for me is already different. His ideology, as presented in UTRH, is already different, so I don't feel the need to add anything mystical.
Batwoman on the other hand, became defined by fighting supernatural and I'm okay with that because otherwise she's just gonna be one of the Nightwings, Robins, Batgirls and Huntress.
Duke I also don't mind being meta even if I want everyone to be street level because he's a newer character and we're really running out of niche.
TLDR: When Red Hood first appear he already has his niche, so I don't need to add more to that. The other characters that come later like Kate and Duke need that supernatural angle because I'm running out of niche.
[QUOTE=CorDaytona;5309642]In my case it's because I feel nothing good has come out of his magical connections so far. I find the whole All Caste vs the Untitled thing [I]incredibly [/I]boring and uninteresting, even if I don't dislike the concept. It just... I don't know, it's absolutely nothing to me.
So I guess it all comes down to how it's done: both mystical (he's come back from the dead, after all) and street-level stories can suit him. But I generally have a preference towards street-level characters and I really don't think other Gothamites having that covered is relevant or should automatically mean magical and space adventures for RH.
I also find Jason's backstory and general M.O. to mix really well with more mundane, crime-related stories. My favourite rendition of him is in UtRH for a reason (also helped by its quality as a comic and movie). Not that I want Jason to be [I]that [/I]character anymore (fuck off with Batfamily conflicts and Joker stuff already), but his current persona could still give great stories involving gangsters and criminal supervillains without resorting to ancient wars with high stakes, hell, chosen one treatment and magical swords.[/QUOTE]
But what would make worthwhile to use Jason instead of Kate, Dick, Selina, Duke, Damian, Tim or even Clown Hunter at this point?
Unless writers go explicitly for the conflicting points of views with Bruce, there's really nothing that Jason can bring to the table that other junior bats don't. Just look at Martinbrough story, the one thing that justified Jason's presence was his relationship with Croc and that only happened because of the Outlaws as whole.
And isn't like a magical background is completely alien to Bruce given the strong connections to Nanda Parbat and other mystical beings/places that writers have added to Bruce's story over the decades. Why is such a controversial thing when it comes to Jason? Jason was mostly a blank slate anyways so giving him new mentors was a good way of expanding his character.
Oh, and the whole chosen one angle and the wildest magic related ideas that plagued the Outlaws? You can thank Tynion for that. He was the who pushed those ideas during his tenure as writer for the series. When Lobdell returned to the series he made a conscious attempt to distance himself and the series as much as he could from Tynion's ideas since he loathed what Tynion did with them. It was only after a couple of years passed that he started to salvage come concepts and plot points from it and it only really became prominent again until the final arcs of his run.
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;5309783]TLDR: When Red Hood first appear he already has his niche, so I don't need to add more to that. The other characters that come later like Kate and Duke need that supernatural angle because I'm running out of niche.[/QUOTE]
But we go back to the same problem, that niche is already swamped with characters (and was already occupied by other as soon as UtRH ended and editorial struggled to do something with Jason).
Also, focusing only in elements from a popular storyline is how Bane ended just rehashing Knightfall ad nauseum. It simply limits the narrative possibilities a character can have.
And they should make the Punisher an astronaut.
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But we go back to the same problem, that niche is already swamped with characters (and was already occupied by other as soon as UtRH ended and editorial struggled to do something with Jason).
Also, focusing only in elements from a popular storyline is how Bane ended just rehashing Knightfall ad nauseum. It simply limits the narrative possibilities a character can have.[/QUOTE]
That's why I'm not opposed to it. If we're going fully into the realm of Jason moving on and no longer caring about these clowns in Gotham then sure, let him be a mystical monk... [I]After[/I] the option of making him an international crime buster chased by mafia and FBI alike, because that appeals more to me. When I saw his interaction with Suzie Tsu, Black Mask and Penguin and the list of agencies having him as a most wanted, I want to see more of that story.
Let's stuck every character in only a genre and setting. Sure that will work.
It will not. For long run stories like these corporate comics, you need to put them into different situations and genres. It's why Batman has changed since the 30's. It's why Dick isn't stuck (or shouldn't) in Bludhaven or the Titans. It's why Spiderman has touched almost every setting and genre. Or the Captain. It's a necessity, and it's not only because they have had a long and rich history; look at Damian, he's relatively new, but he's already starting to suffer from a stranded repeating of genres, setting and themes. It's as simple as that people get tired of reading the same kind of story after a while. Variety is the key, and Jason can pull the mystic warrior card because of his history. He can also pull other cards, too, by the way. And you can also tell street level mystics and magic; look at the older Hellblazer comics, for example, even if those are more magic than mysticals. Or course, changes have to be and feel organic, a natural process or chain of happenings, wherein the character has to remain true to himself. Iron Fist is a character that mixes street level and mysticals and manages to feel himself. Even if he's more often mystical epic than a more, hum, small, humble, day-to-day one.
In my opinion, at least.
(God lord, I hate posting from my pad)
[QUOTE=Pohzee;5309806]And they should make the Punisher an astronaut.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't be the weirdest thing that happened to him. Franken-monster, Angel of Death, Thunderbolt leader, being black (not nearly as awfull as it sounds, but still not great). Dude got range, Jason has a great role model :p