[URL="https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2019/07/19/a-superman-red-son-animated-movie-is-on-the-way"]2020 will see the release of two new Superman Animated Feature Films.[/URL]
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Superman: Red Son[/I], adapting the popular Mark Millar Elseworlds novel about a Superman raised in Communist Russia, as well as [I]Superman: Man of Tomorrow[/I], a standalone film focused on a younger Superman early in his career.
Please God keep Bruce Timm away from both of these because otherwise this is the best ******* news I’ve heard in a long time. Is it too much to hope [I]Man of Tomorrow[/I] will be an adaption of Grant Morrison’s run? Because that’s what I’m hoping for.
[QUOTE=Frontier;4467815][URL="https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2019/07/19/a-superman-red-son-animated-movie-is-on-the-way"]2020 will see the release of two new Superman Animated Feature Films.[/URL]
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Superman: Red Son[/I], adapting the popular Mark Millar Elseworlds novel about a Superman raised in Communist Russia, as well as [I]Superman: Man of Tomorrow[/I], a standalone film focused on a younger Superman early in his career.[/QUOTE]
They just achieved universally positive reviews with Jerry and Rebecca playing Rebirth inspired roles that seem to be setting up a fresh future so it makes complete sense to backpedal completely....dump them....and do a cynical AU and an origin story.
Did I say makes sense? Oh my bad. I meant... what a stupid thing to do lacking any and all creative synergy.
[QUOTE=Vordan;4467817]Please God keep Bruce Timm away from both of these because otherwise this is the best ******* news I’ve heard in a long time. Is it too much to hope [I]Man of Tomorrow[/I] will be Ana adaption of Grant Morrison’s run? Because that’s what I’m hoping for.[/QUOTE]
I think Timm will probably be on [I]Red Son,[/I] if only because he's headlined the other Elseworlds films.
I'm really curious what they're going to do with [I]Man of Tomorrow[/I]. Like, will it be it's own thing or a prequel movie for Jerry O'Connel's Supes?
I would like to see them adapt some Maggin stories like Last Son Of Krypton and Miracle Monday
A streamlined adaptation of Morrison's first arc on [I]Action[/I] would be awesome, minus all the time imp and what not. But it states it's a completely original story:
[QUOTE]Unlike Red Son, Man of Tomorrow will be a fully original story featuring a young Superman early in his career[/QUOTE].
[QUOTE=Vordan;4467817]Please God keep Bruce Timm away from both of these because otherwise this is the best ******* news I’ve heard in a long time. Is it too much to hope [I]Man of Tomorrow[/I] will be Ana adaption of Grant Morrison’s run? Because that’s what I’m hoping for.[/QUOTE]
Word to this. Man of Tomorrow sounds exactly up my alley so I'll be gutted if Timm has anything to do with it.
Also hoping for some heavy Action Vol 2. inspiration but if its an original who knows there. It'd be nice to get a different animation style too for that reason I'm rather hoping its disconnected from the current AU, as that has a distinctive style always followed. I don't dislike it, just like things shaken up once in a while.
I'll be honest; I never read Red Son. It just happened to be an Elseworlds that passed me by at the time and I never rectified it outside of looking up summaries and scans online. Always down for Elseworlds though.
[QUOTE=Frontier;4467822]I think Timm will probably be on [I]Red Son,[/I] if only because he's headlined the other Elseworlds films.
I'm really curious what they're going to do with [I]Man of Tomorrow[/I]. Like, will it be it's own thing or a prequel movie for Jerry O'Connel's Supes?[/QUOTE]
See Timm to me is the worst possible choice for Red Son. He always portrays Superman as both an ******* and an idiot, ESPECIALLY when Batman is involved. What separates Red Son from other “evil Supermen” stories is that while Red Son Superman is a dictator he is brilliant, smarter than Batman and only second to Luthor, and he is compassionate. He cares deeply for other people even doing messed up stuff like the Superman Robots because he refuses to kill. My fear is that Timm is going to totally botch that and just portray him as a evil moron who gets beaten up by Batman and Luthor.
Hell if Timm is involved he'll probably expand Batman's role. I'm just done with him on anything Superman related.
[QUOTE=Nelliebly;4467820]They just achieved universally positive reviews with Jerry and Rebecca playing Rebirth inspired roles that seem to be setting up a fresh future so it makes complete sense to backpedal completely....dump them....and do a cynical AU and an origin story.
Did I say makes sense? Oh my bad. I meant... what a stupid thing to do lacking any and all creative synergy.[/QUOTE]
They've been doing movies outside that 'shared universe' for as long as they've had said universe.
Oh damn, are they actually gonna do some sort of version of Morrison's first arc? Or more likely something inspired by it? Like, can I really sit here and hope?
Also shoutouts to two Superman movies on deck.
Edit: Thinking on it a bit, and I can't really think of too many of the new DCAU movies that are billed as a "fully original story." There are a few, but it's quite rare, so this'll be interesting.
[QUOTE=Superlad93;4467901]Oh damn, are they actually gonna do some sort of version of Morrison's first arc? Or more likely something inspired by it? Like, can I really sit here and hope?
Also shoutouts to two Superman movies on deck.
Edit: Thinking on it a bit, and I can't really think of too many of the new DCAU movies that are billed as a "fully original story." There are a few, but it's quite rare, so this'll be interesting.[/QUOTE]
I’m [I]hoping[/I] they’re at least taking from Morrison’s work, but honestly I’d be content with another Superman movie featuring him not dying at this point lol. I do hope he’s not fighting Lex though, I hope it’s someone else.
Red Son was an average story arc but I'm curious what Man of Tomorrow will bring. My first association was For Tomorrow but hoping to high heavens that's not anywhere close to where they are drawing from for it.
[QUOTE=Nelliebly;4467820]They just achieved universally positive reviews with Jerry and Rebecca playing Rebirth inspired roles that seem to be setting up a fresh future so it makes complete sense to backpedal completely....dump them....and do a cynical AU and an origin story.
Did I say makes sense? Oh my bad. I meant... what a stupid thing to do lacking any and all creative synergy.[/QUOTE]
Universally positive? Death of Superman was divisive at best and Reign of the Supermen ended up doing even worse than that. I'm still laughing at all those people who shat on Superman: Doomsday, saying that those two films would do that godawful story arc justice and they ended up changing it up even more.
[QUOTE=The Red Monk;4467994]Red Son was an average story arc but I'm curious what Man of Tomorrow will bring. My first association was For Tomorrow but hoping to high heavens that's not anywhere close to where they are drawing from for it.
Universally positive? Death of Superman was divisive at best and Reign of the Supermen ended up doing even worse than that. I'm still laughing at all those people who shat on Superman: Doomsday, saying that those two films would do that godawful story arc justice and they ended up changing it up even more.[/QUOTE]
I personally like Superman: Doomsday a lot but Death or Superman was, as I recall, one of their most financially successful animated films in quite a while and outside of the 20 people who post on this board was very well received and well reviewed.
Awesome news! Hope Red Son has a different art and character design to standout from the others. The animation in general also really needs to step up, imo; Death of Superman, as great as it was for me (and many people it seems), could have been even better with better graphics. DC and WB need to do a better job if they want to compete. I wonder if it's going to be a faithful adaptation..
Superman: Man of Tomorrow also sounds great and fresh. I suppose Clark and Lois are going to meet or something. Their interaction could be fun and sweet. Hope it's a great story.
[QUOTE=Vordan;4467861]See Timm to me is the worst possible choice for Red Son. He always portrays Superman as both an ******* and an idiot, ESPECIALLY when Batman is involved. What separates Red Son from other “evil Supermen” stories is that while Red Son Superman is a dictator he is brilliant, smarter than Batman and only second to Luthor, and he is compassionate. He cares deeply for other people even doing messed up stuff like the Superman Robots because he refuses to kill. My fear is that Timm is going to totally botch that and just portray him as a evil moron who gets beaten up by Batman and Luthor.[/QUOTE]
I mean, as an adaption I would like to think Timm would try to stay true to the source material even if it's not like his usual handling of Superman.
I think it'll also depend on who the screenwriter is.
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Edit: Thinking on it a bit, and I can't really think of too many of the new DCAU movies that are billed as a "fully original story." There are a few, but it's quite rare, so this'll be interesting.[/QUOTE]
I believe [I]Wonder Woman: Bloodlines [/I]was advertised the same way, and that's also an in-continuity movie and seems to be taking cues from Greg Rucka and George Perez's Wonder Woman work.
[QUOTE=Vordan;4467933]I’m [I]hoping[/I] they’re at least taking from Morrison’s work, but honestly I’d be content with another Superman movie featuring him not dying at this point lol. I do hope he’s not fighting Lex though, I hope it’s someone else.[/QUOTE]
I could see Brainaic being the main villain like he was for Morrison's first [I]Action[/I] arc.
I'm not sure if this is relevant or not but Brainiac was originally going to be one of the holograms Superman fought in that sequence with Wonder Woman in [I]Death[/I] before they replaced him with Metallo (I think). So conceptually in the back of their mind they might have envisioned that this Superman had once fought Brainaic.
[QUOTE=Nelliebly;4467820]They just achieved universally positive reviews with Jerry and Rebecca playing Rebirth inspired roles that seem to be setting up a fresh future so it makes complete sense to backpedal completely....dump them....and do a cynical AU and an origin story.[/QUOTE]
I don't see how Red Son is cynical; it shows Superman trying his best to achieve a utopian world in the interests of the people and being mostly successful. But because of the authoritarian system's inherent flaws he retires and the world flourishes for centuries. I guess it has Earth blows up in the far future but for Superman and the people around him it's mostly a happy ending.
This is why people like Red Son more than trash like Injustice, because Superman isn't a villain or evil in the story and it isn't dystopian for the sake of it.
The main AU isn't going away anyway. Its continuing in Hush. This seems to be the pattern now, main AU stories told through the lens of a main JL character, and standalone animated projects going on at the same time. Superman had his turn as the focus of a main AU project, and this time its Batman (of which Superman has a guest role). Next time it appears to be Wonder Woman with Bloodline, and so on. Itl'll probably come back around to a Superman centric story eventually. In the meantime plenty of room for Elseworlds stories to tell in between. Sounds like a pretty good set up to me.
[QUOTE=Nelliebly;4468103]I personally like Superman: Doomsday a lot but Death or Superman was, as I recall, one of their most financially successful animated films in quite a while and outside of the 20 people who post on this board was very well received and well reviewed.[/QUOTE]
Death was a success but Reign of the Supermen flopped and both have average scores on IMDB.
[QUOTE=Annie Parker;4468517]Death was a success but Reign of the Supermen flopped and both have average scores on IMDB.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say it flopped. It did ok and was also released for "free" on DC Universe at the same time. And IMDB reviews are pretty much trash. It's at 93% on RT.
How sweet it is. DC Animated Films are always top-notch. I'll be sure to buy a copy. :cool:
[QUOTE=Nelliebly;4468103]I personally like Superman: Doomsday a lot but Death or Superman was, as I recall, one of their most financially successful animated films in quite a while and outside of the 20 people who post on this board was very well received and well reviewed.[/QUOTE]
Death of Superman was a hit and very praised by most people I've seen everywhere. Other than here, I've only seen big love for it. I also really liked Superman: Doomsday and I'm pretty sure it was also a big financial hit.
[url]https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_death_of_superman[/url]
Not sure what happened to Reign, but I think it probably wasn't as exciting and emotionally resonant as Death. It felt more predictable. Funny, we knew Superman would die in Death, but the story was so very well crafted and the action so visceral and it really hits you in the gut with emotion (so much more than his death in BvS, sadly).
[I]DOS[/I] and [I]Superman: Doomsday[/I] were successful, but less for the stories and more for the fact that they rehash a story that attracts filthy casuals (kidding!). Note that when they adapted fan favorite Superman stories like the aforementioned Death and All-Star, they had smashing successes. When they tried original stories or had to create a lot of original content, they didn't do so hot.
Timm doing a Superman adaptation doesn't speak to me as that we're going to get a bad movie, but that there are parts of the adaptation that probably will be disappointing next to the source material. The only content that he thought was necessary to adapt 100% was Miller Batman.
I see a young Superman story as ok. If it's clearly based on Morrison, it will probably do well. If it's an all-new story, well, good luck with that. I'll watch it, but who knows if the public will.
[QUOTE=stargazer01;4468535]Death of Superman was a hit and very praised by most people I've seen everywhere. Other than here, I've only seen big love for it. I also really liked Superman: Doomsday and I'm pretty sure it was also a big financial hit.
[url]https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_death_of_superman[/url]
Not sure what happened to Reign, but I think it probably wasn't as exciting and emotionally resonant as Death. It felt more predictable. Funny, we knew Superman would die in Death, but the story was so very well crafted and the action so visceral and it really hits you in the gut with emotion (so much more than his death in BvS, sadly).[/QUOTE]
The thing is, DoS in the comics is really straightforward, and frankly lacks in any large-scale characterization, plot, or nuance outside of the final panels of #75. So the film actually [I]added[/I] to it. The source material allowed for improvements in a film version and this one delivered. Reign was different. In the comics Reign was the visceral story, strong plot, strong characterization. They couldn't fit that all into one more film so the motivations, characterizations and the general plot just fell short. It wasn't as fleshed out and felt rushed. The time alotted just didn't allow for much justice to be done and the source material for this one was so much stronger than the former, that its more heavily scrutinized.
[QUOTE=Sacred Knight;4468572]The thing is, DoS in the comics is really straightforward, and frankly lacks in any large-scale characterization, plot, or nuance outside of the final panels of #75. So the film actually [I]added[/I] to it. Reign was different. In the comics Reign was the visceral story, strong plot, strong characterization. They couldn't fit that all into one more film so the motivations, characterizations and the general plot just fell short. It wasn't as fleshed out and felt rushed.[/QUOTE]
Although I think even with that limitation they got down the bare and important essentials of the [I]Reign[/I] and [I]Return[/I] story.
But that's just me.
[I]Death of Superman[/i] did pretty well relative to the source material, [i]Reign[/i] did not. I am still disappointed by the stupid-as-hell climactic battle sequence.
[QUOTE=Frontier;4468578]Although I think even with that limitation they got down the bare and important essentials of the [I]Reign[/I] and [I]Return[/I] story.
But that's just me.[/QUOTE]
I think they did too, basically I just feel that Death lends more to a bare bones interpretation, because it was pretty bare bones itself (hence why that film had the opportunity and delivered on improving it), while Reign suffered more because just the essentials doesn't do that one nearly as much credit.
Hmm looks like [I]Reign[/I] didn’t do that great in sales [url]https://m.the-numbers.com/movie/Reign-of-the-Supermen-(2019)[/url] and I can think of a couple of reasons for that:
1. Sheridan is not as good a scriptwriter as Tomasi
2. This movie didn’t actually star Superman except for the ending sequence
3. Most people might have watched it on DCU, will be interesting to see [I]Hush[/I] sales
4. They really should have made it a trilogy, Death, Reign, and Return, although now that we know the ending I guess I can see why they cut down on Reign
I still really liked the movie, and the fact that we are getting two Superman movies makes me think Reign did well on DCU. If it was a total flop we would not be getting two Superman movies. They should definitely be asking the comic book writers to help with the writing, I’d love to see Morrison himself write an animated Superman movie, or Tomasi again since he did such a good job imo with [I]Death[/I].
Or people revolted the long hair? My nephews had a sleepover of the other day and they found an old Superman model I had when I was a kid, this was a long-haired version. One of their responses was just "Ew." Lol.
man of tomorrow sounds interesting, really excited for that one. Don't care for red son.
[QUOTE=Vordan;4468598]Hmm looks like [I]Reign[/I] didn’t do that great in sales [url]https://m.the-numbers.com/movie/Reign-of-the-Supermen-(2019)[/url] and I can think of a couple of reasons for that:
1. Sheridan is not as good a scriptwriter as Tomasi
2. This movie didn’t actually star Superman except for the ending sequence
3. Most people might have watched it on DCU, will be interesting to see [I]Hush[/I] sales
4. They really should have made it a trilogy, Death, Reign, and Return, although now that we know the ending I guess I can see why they cut down on Reign
I still really liked the movie, and the fact that we are getting two Superman movies makes me think Reign did well on DCU. If it was a total flop we would not be getting two Superman movies. They should definitely be asking the comic book writers to help with the writing, I’d love to see Morrison himself write an animated Superman movie, or Tomasi again since he did such a good job imo with [I]Death[/I].[/QUOTE]
I mean, 2 they couldn't really do anything about because that's how the story works.
I'd like to think WB were prepared for 3 because that seems like the obvious impact from having them available to watch on DC Universe, so the incentive for more DCU subscribers and streaming numbers would offset the impact on physical sales.
I wonder if Death/Reign had anything to do with it. I believe the animated movie team produce stuff well in advance, like several years in advance, so I'm not sure if they would have been aware of sales while producing the 2020 slate.
[QUOTE=Frontier;4468781]I mean, 2 they couldn't really do anything about because that's how the story works.
I'd like to think WB were prepared for 3 because that seems like the obvious impact from having them available to watch on DC Universe, so the incentive for more DCU subscribers and streaming numbers would offset the impact on physical sales.
I wonder if Death/Reign had anything to do with it. I believe the animated movie team produce stuff well in advance, like several years in advance, so I'm not sure if they would have been aware of sales while producing the 2020 slate.[/QUOTE]
DC went something like five years after the last Superman film (Unbound?) flopped before they made another Superman film. I’m doubtful that WB would have approved a year with TWO Superman films and 0 Batman films without some kind of data indicating these films could sell. Although I guess Batman will be in Red Son and JL Dark.
First thought was just stopping and asking myself if there was already a Red Son movie. Guess not huh? I don't know why it's SO popular but that's cool. I'm much more likely to buy this upcoming original story though.
First off all, I'm on board regarding both films. The first one is a classic Elseworlds storyline. When I think of Superman Elseworlds, Red Son instantly pops up in my mind.
The second film could be great as well, my only concern would be whether both films are set in the SAME universe or is the second one drifting apart (a.k.a. rebooting the "DCAU"?).
Off-topic: Any plans for an animated Flash/Green Lantern Corps/JSA film? I would love to see those.
[QUOTE=Kuwagaton;4468818]First thought was just stopping and asking myself if there was already a Red Son movie. Guess not huh? I don't know why it's SO popular but that's cool. I'm much more likely to buy this upcoming original story though.[/QUOTE]
Because it’s a great Elseworlds story?
It’s something different, it’s not the conventional Superman, yet at the same time it’s true to its core.
[QUOTE=Kuwagaton;4468818]First thought was just stopping and asking myself if there was already a Red Son movie. Guess not huh? I don't know why it's SO popular but that's cool. I'm much more likely to buy this upcoming original story though.[/QUOTE]
Superman the All-American Hero ending up in Soviet Russia and fighting for communism? Frankly I’m shocked Millar was the first one to come up with the concept. And even though it’s very dark in spots it still manages to be true to who Superman is at his core while featuring over the top spectacle like President Lex Luthor vs. Soviet Superman. I get why people like it and I like it myself because it’s a Superman who is a supergenuis and doesn’t want to hold back while also not being an idiot edgelord like Injustice or Justice Lords. As weird as it is to say, Millar “gets” who Superman is and never loses sight of his core unlike other edgelord Dictator Superman takes which are more about glorifying Batman, Red Son definitely shows off how awesome Superman is regardless of what type of Supes he is.
[QUOTE=Eto;4469231]First off all, I'm on board regarding both films. The first one is a classic Elseworlds storyline. When I think of Superman Elseworlds, Red Son instantly pops up in my mind.
The second film could be great as well, my only concern would be whether both films are set in the SAME universe or is the second one drifting apart (a.k.a. rebooting the "DCAU"?).
Off-topic: Any plans for an animated Flash/Green Lantern Corps/JSA film? I would love to see those.[/QUOTE]
Frankly I don’t know why they haven’t made another Flash or GL movie either. Maybe WB still has hang-ups with GL over the live action GL movie flop? That ended up killing the GL:TAS too. Because otherwise the GL animated movies sold quite well. With Flash maybe because Barry hasn’t really had a great number of standalone stories? I’m really enjoying Willamson’s Rebirth run and wouldn’t mind seeing some of those storylines made into movies myself. Flash should definitely be getting another solo movie.
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Frankly I don’t know why they haven’t made another Flash or GL movie either. Maybe WB still has hang-ups with GL over the live action GL movie flop? That ended up killing the GL:TAS too. Because otherwise the GL animated movies sold quite well. With Flash maybe because Barry hasn’t really had a great number of standalone stories? I’m really enjoying Willamson’s Rebirth run and wouldn’t mind seeing some of those storylines made into movies myself. Flash should definitely be getting another solo movie.[/QUOTE]
I think the next major Leaguer I see getting a standalone movie is Aquaman because of the success of the movie.
Or Shazam, if only to explain where he's been since [I]Thrones of Atlantis. [/I]
Huh, I see I stand along in hoping Superman: Man of Tomorrow does [B]not[/B] take inspiration from Morrison. Admittedly I only read vol. 1 of his Action Comics run, not the vol. 2 people keep mentioning, but lord was that vol. 1 confusing enough. Honestly most of Morrison's work I've read seems like it's intentionally trying to make you go, "What just happened? What's happening now?" But maybe that's just me. That said I'm definitely intrigued by the promise of an original story set early in his career, that's a time ripe for potential that we haven't seen much of outside of origin stories.
And Red Son was just an amazing story, so if they manage to pull it off faithfully (fingers crossed) it should make for an amazing film.
Vol 2 indicates the entire New 52 Action Comics. Vol 2 being because it started the numbering over at #1. With Rebirth, since it went back to its originally numbering, its back to Vol. 1.
[QUOTE=Sacred Knight;4470529]Vol 2 indicates the entire New 52 Action Comics. Vol 2 being because it started the numbering over at #1. With Rebirth, since it went back to its originally numbering, its back to Vol. 1.[/QUOTE]
Either way it's still the story where Lex uses a bullet train against Superman and we get a very weird Brainiac and all in the origin story right?