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DC: Diverse or Dumb?
There is often the idea that Marvel (especially in recent years) does diverse characters better than DC, I want to see if that's true. So, what are the all-time best stories/runs/titles [b]from DC[/b] featuring/focusing on diverse characters, particularlly characters of color and LGBT+ characters?
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[COLOR="#000080"]Black Panther
Luke Cage, Hero For Hire -later to become Powerman and Iron Fist.
Miles Morales, Spider-Man
Iron Man(Jim Rhodes wore the armor)[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4654171][COLOR="#000080"]Black Panther
Luke Cage, Hero For Hire -later to become Powerman and Iron Fist.
Miles Morales, Spider-Man
Iron Man(Jim Rhodes wore the armor)[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
maybe I should've clarified, I'm looking for DC'S all-time best featuring characters of color, LGBT+ characters, etc
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[QUOTE=lemonpeace;4654244]maybe I should've clarified, I'm looking for DC'S all-time best featuring characters of color, LGBT+ characters, etc[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Are you looking for solos or can the person have a great run as part of a team?
If so, Bronze Tiger in Suicide Squad.[/COLOR]
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I really liked when Cassie Cain was Batgirl.
Also, the Authority! Amazing book. And Orlando's Midnighter. Really good.
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[QUOTE=lemonpeace;4654244]maybe I should've clarified, I'm looking for DC'S all-time best featuring characters of color, LGBT+ characters, etc[/QUOTE]
Not much more to see, D.C. buries its black characters in favor of the white classic ones. Cyborg has literally been regressed for only God knows why when Walker was evolving has look and give him potential to be a better, higher profile character. This being said there are no good runs for black characters.
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[QUOTE=dkrook;4654293]Not much more to see, D.C. buries its black characters in favor of the white classic ones. Cyborg has literally been regressed for only God knows why when Walker was evolving has look and give him potential to be a better, higher profile character. This being said there are no good runs for black characters.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure there are [i]some[/i] good runs for black characters, I mean by your own admission Walker must have been doing something right with Cyborg if you feel the character has been regressed. even still, are there any good LGBT runs? latinx led runs? pacific islander, asian, Arab, etc. led runs?
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4654249][COLOR="#000080"]Are you looking for solos or can the person have a great run as part of a team?
If so, Bronze Tiger in Suicide Squad.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
they can be solo or team runs, as many you can think of
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Tony Isabella's various stints on Black Lightning
J.H Williams III on Batwoman
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DC has really made an effort for diversity when the New 52 came out. Unfortunately readers were not hooked and DC has made less of an effort to be diverse. Let's face it most people don't give a damn about superhero comics. So many Marvel titles get cancelled less than a year. Yes they have more diversity led comics but it all gets cancelled quick. Only the big and small screen is saving the industry. Cape comics is a dead industry if it only relied on sales.
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Swampthing, milligans shade the changing man, 2nd series doom patrol, the extremist, enigma, and for bright and breezy fun sebastion o.
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[QUOTE=Colossus1980;4654383]DC has really made an effort for diversity when the New 52 came out. Unfortunately readers were not hooked and DC has made less of an effort to be diverse. Let's face it most people don't give a damn about superhero comics. So many Marvel titles get cancelled less than a year. [B]Yes they have more diversity led comics but it all gets cancelled quick.[/B] Only the big and small screen is saving the industry. Cape comics is a dead industry if it only relied on sales.[/QUOTE]
They still got made.
They was an effort made with them.
Other companies have had short run books and no one is the different.
It's not that folks don't give a damn it's getting to a point of more variety is needed. Variety does not mean everybody gets an ongoing. Minis and one shots and OGN are FINE.
In fact the main issue for those books are comic book stores. Maybe taking that pout of the equation will fix things and that is when you look at OGNs. See Raven & Beast Boy.
Scalped from Vertigo is a better book at 60 issues than others that had longer runs.
Jaime Reyes's first Blue Beetle run is another good one at 36 issues.
Shade the Changling Girl/Woman runs were good.
Man of War Grave Digger (70s run)
Unknown Solider (last run that took place in Africa)
Young Animal Doom Patrol
Millennium Fever (vertigo)
American Way
[QUOTE]There is often the idea that Marvel (especially in recent years) does diverse characters better than DC, I want to see if that's true. [/QUOTE]
I think the reason for that is ACCESS. A lot of books with POC at DC are NOT in trades now.
Marvel with the exception of a few due to books like Marvel 2 in 1-don't have that issue. Miles, Patriot (both), Riri, Moon Girl & Prodigy are the only black ones with every appearance in someone's trades.
DC-Duke, Luke Fox, Wallace & Silencer are it. Cyborg might have 1-2 things not in trade. Vixen & John have a ton since most of Action Comics Weekly is not in trade. Steel has an entire run.
Dc Showcase 93-95 did a good job. Sadly none of that is in trade.
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Wasn't there a gay supporting character in Andreyko's Manhunter? I remember that being a beloved run.
Kate Kane is gay and she's had lots of good stories.
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[QUOTE=lemonpeace;4654326]I'm sure there are [i]some[/i] good runs for black characters, I mean by your own admission Walker must have been doing something right with Cyborg if you feel the character has been regressed. even still, are there any good LGBT runs? latinx led runs? pacific islander, asian, Arab, etc. led runs?
they can be solo or team runs, as many you can think of[/QUOTE]
Rebirth's [I]Green Lanterns[/I] during the 1st half as written by Sam Humphries. Not so much after he left, but it was excellent prior. It did wonders for both Lebanese-American Simon Baz and Hispanic-American Jessica Cruz, as heroes, as a duo and on personal. familial levels. Simon's New 52 origin and backstory was also well done.
People cite David Walker's DCYou run on Cyborg, but I also extend that into John Semper Jr.'s run in Rebirth. Both writers provided things for Cyborg that he needed, in spite of any constraints they likely had while doing so. I'd say the definitive version of modern Cyborg lies between the culmination of these two runs (and maybe early [I]Justice League: Odyssey[/I]). Honorable mention to Kevin Grevioux's short 2-something issue contribution.
[I]We Are Robin[/I] for Duke and his compatriots (of their team of 5 throughout the majority of its run, there were 3 different persons of color), and Batman and the Signal for Duke in particular, as short-lived as the latter was.
[I]New-Superman[/I], and by extension, its natural evolution of [I]New-Superman and the Justice League of China[/I]. This book written by Gene Luen Yang was superb. It lasted for a time compared to some of its contemporaries, but it was still most certainly short-lived. It deserved to be a perpetual mainstay, as far as I am concerned, doing its thing and expanding the team's influence and resume.
Jaime Reyes' Blue Beetle. I found something to enjoy in most of his runs, and his first, pre-Flashpoint one is often remembered fondly for how it fleshed out Jaime and his immediately family and friendgroup (Paco and Brenda).
The New 52's Firestorm Nuclear Men, prior to the re-tool halfway that "went more traditional), was excellent in my eyes. It was adding to the Firestorm mythos while being excellent studies for both Jason and Ronnie. Jason was at his peak then; he was superbly smart and studious, but he was proactive (not passive, though he still had his doubts and worries) and didn't take mess from anyone, not even Ronnie in his more "jock-ier" moments (young man was [I]woke[/I]). It helped that both could become their own Firestorm, again, before the re-tool.
While also short-lived and not some kind of explicit study on diversity, I loved Scott Lobdell's [I]Doomed[/I], which featured a lead of color (never did have the time to explore Reiser's ethnic background), along with a subplot with his roommate who was gay and was dealing with a superpowered form he couldn't control of his own. Then there was Reiser's love interest, who we couldn't delve into as far as her true role was concerned.
These are what come to mind for me for now, but there were other series that were diverse in their leads and stories that I enjoyed ([I]Midnighter [/I]was fun, and I loved [I]Batman and Robin: Eternal[/I], for a couple of quick examples). If more come to mind, I'll probably post them then.
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;4654457]They still got made.
They was an effort made with them.
Other companies have had short run books and no one is the different.
It's not that folks don't give a damn it's getting to a point of more variety is needed. Variety does not mean everybody gets an ongoing. Minis and one shots and OGN are FINE.
In fact the main issue for those books are comic book stores. Maybe taking that pout of the equation will fix things and that is when you look at OGNs. See Raven & Beast Boy.
Scalped from Vertigo is a better book at 60 issues than others that had longer runs.
Jaime Reyes's first Blue Beetle run is another good one at 36 issues.
Shade the Changling Girl/Woman runs were good.
Man of War Grave Digger (70s run)
Unknown Solider (last run that took place in Africa)
Young Animal Doom Patrol
Millennium Fever (vertigo)
American Way[/QUOTE]
Comic books stores will buy a book if they see a demand for a book.
I don't know why do you think it is necessary to eliminate them.
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Seconding Suicide Squad (by John Ostrander) and Scalped. Adding Gotham Central with its diverse cast (Crispus, Montoya, Akins etc.).
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[QUOTE=Konja7;4654567]Comic books stores will buy a book if they see a demand for a book.
I don't know why do you think it is necessary to eliminate them.[/QUOTE]
The need to eliminate them comes from the fact that the demand isn't big enough. For the books to survive you need enough people to support them and unfortunately that has more often than not not been the case. Unless you have enough support and sales it just isn't economically viable to keep doing the books.
At least they keep trying to see if they might succeed. One can always question if they are doing enough to promote these books as it is always hard to build a market when you don't already have a good grip on the demographic that you want to reach.
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Apparently Superman, Batman, Flash and Green lantern are dumb unless they are black. :p
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The tops ones, imo:
Wonder Woman
Batwoman
Harley Quinn
Blue Beetle (Jaime)
Green Lanterns
Suicide Squad (Waller's been front-and-center in every incarnation since Crisis)
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[QUOTE=Desmark;4655051]Apparently Superman, Batman, Flash and Green lantern are dumb unless they are black. :p[/QUOTE]
yes, OBVIOUSLY, that is what this thread is really about; the white characters.
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[QUOTE=J. D. Guy;4654533]Rebirth's [I]Green Lanterns[/I] during the 1st half as written by Sam Humphries. Not so much after he left, but it was excellent prior. It did wonders for both Lebanese-American Simon Baz and Hispanic-American Jessica Cruz, as heroes, as a duo and on personal. familial levels. Simon's New 52 origin and backstory was also well done.
People cite David Walker's DCYou run on Cyborg, but I also extend that into John Semper Jr.'s run in Rebirth. Both writers provided things for Cyborg that he needed, in spite of any constraints they likely had while doing so. I'd say the definitive version of modern Cyborg lies between the culmination of these two runs (and maybe early [I]Justice League: Odyssey[/I]). Honorable mention to Kevin Grevioux's short 2-something issue contribution.
[I]We Are Robin[/I] for Duke and his compatriots (of their team of 5 throughout the majority of its run, there were 3 different persons of color), and Batman and the Signal for Duke in particular, as short-lived as the latter was.
[I]New-Superman[/I], and by extension, its natural evolution of [I]New-Superman and the Justice League of China[/I]. This book written by Gene Luen Yang was superb. It lasted for a time compared to some of its contemporaries, but it was still most certainly short-lived. It deserved to be a perpetual mainstay, as far as I am concerned, doing its thing and expanding the team's influence and resume.
Jaime Reyes' Blue Beetle. I found something to enjoy in most of his runs, and his first, pre-Flashpoint one is often remembered fondly for how it fleshed out Jaime and his immediately family and friendgroup (Paco and Brenda).
The New 52's Firestorm Nuclear Men, prior to the re-tool halfway that "went more traditional), was excellent in my eyes. It was adding to the Firestorm mythos while being excellent studies for both Jason and Ronnie. Jason was at his peak then; he was superbly smart and studious, but he was proactive (not passive, though he still had his doubts and worries) and didn't take mess from anyone, not even Ronnie in his more "jock-ier" moments (young man was [I]woke[/I]). It helped that both could become their own Firestorm, again, before the re-tool.
While also short-lived and not some kind of explicit study on diversity, I loved Scott Lobdell's [I]Doomed[/I], which featured a lead of color (never did have the time to explore Reiser's ethnic background), along with a subplot with his roommate who was gay and was dealing with a superpowered form he couldn't control of his own. Then there was Reiser's love interest, who we couldn't delve into as far as her true role was concerned.
These are what come to mind for me for now, but there were other series that were diverse in their leads and stories that I enjoyed ([I]Midnighter [/I]was fun, and I loved [I]Batman and Robin: Eternal[/I], for a couple of quick examples). If more come to mind, I'll probably post them then.[/QUOTE]
[I]Green Lanterns[/I] (until the ending which literally fills me with rage), [I]New-Superman[/I], and [I]Blue Beetle[/I] were great; some of my favorite books from DC. I personally love Duke Thomas as a character so We are Robin and Batman & the Signal are close to my heart, but I wouldn't say they could be seen as the best DC has to offer. I've never read [I]Mightnighter[/I] but [I]Midnighter & Apollo[/I] was one of my first full comic runs and i still say it's still at least in my top 10 to this day.they moved Midghter and Apollo back to the Wildstorm universe, even though they technically still exist in the DC universe iirc, they actually fit in the DC universe pretty well imo. it kinda sucks that I haven't checked out [I]Doomed[/I] or [I]Firestorm[/I] but you've definitely piqued my interest.
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I like Batwoman and Cyborg. Even though the name implies it I like that BW is her own thing and not just Batman with boobs.
My impression was that at this department DC (comics) is miles ahead of Marvel though. Not really reading much marvel, but ppl I talk to complain a lot (one of them sells comics for a living and had to cut down some traditional bigger running Marvel series because of that so I assumed there is something to it).
[QUOTE=Desmark;4655051]Apparently Superman, Batman, Flash and Green lantern are dumb unless they are black. :p[/QUOTE]
GLs area corps made of different people working side by side (at least these days ...mostly). Besides that my impression is that the OP want that specifically not. Original diverse characters instead of some [I]dumb[/I] pandering/tokenizations.
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;4654457]They still got made.
They was an effort made with them.
Other companies have had short run books and no one is the different.
It's not that folks don't give a damn it's getting to a point of more variety is needed. Variety does not mean everybody gets an ongoing. Minis and one shots and OGN are FINE.
In fact the main issue for those books are comic book stores. Maybe taking that pout of the equation will fix things and that is when you look at OGNs. See Raven & Beast Boy.
Scalped from Vertigo is a better book at 60 issues than others that had longer runs.
Jaime Reyes's first Blue Beetle run is another good one at 36 issues.
Shade the Changling Girl/Woman runs were good.
Man of War Grave Digger (70s run)
Unknown Solider (last run that took place in Africa)
Young Animal Doom Patrol
Millennium Fever (vertigo)
American Way
I think the reason for that is ACCESS. A lot of books with POC at DC are NOT in trades now.
Marvel with the exception of a few due to books like Marvel 2 in 1-don't have that issue. Miles, Patriot (both), Riri, Moon Girl & Prodigy are the only black ones with every appearance in someone's trades.
DC-Duke, Luke Fox, Wallace & Silencer are it. Cyborg might have 1-2 things not in trade. Vixen & John have a ton since most of Action Comics Weekly is not in trade. Steel has an entire run.
Dc Showcase 93-95 did a good job. Sadly none of that is in trade.[/QUOTE]
This is exactly why I will never fault Marvel for trying, Vixen would've had a book if she was Marvel character.
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[QUOTE=9th.;4655278]This is exactly why I will never fault Marvel for trying, Vixen would've had a book if she was Marvel character.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.amazon.com/Vixen-Return-G-Willow-Wilson/dp/1401225128[/url]
Its a pretty nice read. Also ties a bit into Final Crisis (can be read without, but knowing what comes gives a nice chill). I guess it did not sold that well and IMO they should give her another shot but they did tried.
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[QUOTE=The_Lurk;4655291][url]https://www.amazon.com/Vixen-Return-G-Willow-Wilson/dp/1401225128[/url]
Its a pretty nice read. Also ties a bit into Final Crisis (can be read without, but knowing what comes gives a nice chill). I guess it did not sold that well and IMO they should give her another shot but they did tried.[/QUOTE]
I have this in my collection but I feel like she wouldn't gotten more chances at Marvel, Riri is extremely hated and she has 2 titles and a team book (well one if you don't count her feature in Ironman)
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Didn't realize there was white privilege in the DCU:p
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Gotham Central - especially the Renee Montoya stories, but there were a lot of other diverse characters in that book
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Gotham Central
New Super-Man
Terrifics
Swamp Thing
Hellblazer
Green Lanterns
Dial H - Probably one of my all time favorite books right now
Silencer - I loved it
Batwoman (Kate Kane) by Rucka and JHWIII
Tec by Tynion was great and featured Luke and Cass
The original Giffen Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle run
Morrison Doom Patrol
Midnighter by Orlando
If we can count Vertigo as DC then yeah DC blows Marvel out of the water with stuff like Scalped.
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[QUOTE=9th.;4655360]I have this in my collection but I feel like she wouldn't gotten more chances at Marvel, Riri is extremely hated and she has 2 titles and a team book (well one if you don't count her feature in Ironman)[/QUOTE]
Had read up on her (Riri). So... shes the new Iron Man? Yeah, I can imagine that not going well. Fans of the material of a specific character are fans of that character. Taking someone completely different, giving him or her the name of the established character does not make that character; its still someone completely different just with the same name. With the difference that fans of the established character see the new one as the thing that killed the character they liked; even worse a character which has just been established in the same year (if the Wiki is right). Does not matter if shes a young, slim black girl or a fat old white man. Unless its not a clone of Tony Stark its the one that killed him. Can kind of relate as fan of Power Girl; although in her case DC always appears to be to afraid to continue a run with her but did not much with the new one either outside having her hang out with gang Deathstroke and now being adrift somewhere in limbo with the original (like literally).
I'm not sure if there was much backlash when Dick became Batman after he died though; but then again he had decades of development as part of Batmans family. Maybe they (Marvel and DC alike) should make more long time development plans instead of "here you go with the new character nobody knows; suck it up".
But back to Riri. Besides the hate she got from the IM fans she probably had build a solid fanbase of her own; otherwise I have a hard time how Marvel could explain 2 series and a teambook. IIRC only Batman and Superman have a 2 series and a teambook treatment in DC. Not even Wonder Woman has that (she has 2 teams though currently).
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[QUOTE=The_Lurk;4655528]I'm not sure if there was much backlash when Dick became Batman after he died though; but then again he had decades of development as part of Batmans family. Maybe they (Marvel and DC alike) should make more long time development plans instead of "here you go with the new character nobody knows; suck it up".[/QUOTE]Dick as Batman is more like Falcon or Bucky becoming Captain America or War Mashine becoming Iron Man, these are characters the were it feels more organic when they take up the mantle, so there is not such a big backlash by the fans.
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[QUOTE=The_Lurk;4655291][url]https://www.amazon.com/Vixen-Return-G-Willow-Wilson/dp/1401225128[/url]
Its a pretty nice read. Also ties a bit into Final Crisis (can be read without, but knowing what comes gives a nice chill). I guess it did not sold that well and IMO they should give her another shot but they did tried.[/QUOTE]
I enjoyed that
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[QUOTE=The_Lurk;4655528]Had read up on her (Riri). So... shes the new Iron Man? Yeah, I can imagine that not going well. Fans of the material of a specific character are fans of that character. Taking someone completely different, giving him or her the name of the established character does not make that character; its still someone completely different just with the same name. With the difference that fans of the established character see the new one as the thing that killed the character they liked; even worse a character which has just been established in the same year (if the Wiki is right). Does not matter if shes a young, slim black girl or a fat old white man. Unless its not a clone of Tony Stark its the one that killed him. Can kind of relate as fan of Power Girl; although in her case DC always appears to be to afraid to continue a run with her but did not much with the new one either outside having her hang out with gang Deathstroke and now being adrift somewhere in limbo with the original (like literally).
I'm not sure if there was much backlash when Dick became Batman after he died though; but then again he had decades of development as part of Batmans family. Maybe they (Marvel and DC alike) should make more long time development plans instead of "here you go with the new character nobody knows; suck it up".
But back to Riri. Besides the hate she got from the IM fans she probably had build a solid fanbase of her own; otherwise I have a hard time how Marvel could explain 2 series and a teambook. IIRC only Batman and Superman have a 2 series and a teambook treatment in DC. Not even Wonder Woman has that (she has 2 teams though currently).[/QUOTE]
Nah she was never IM, she has her own name which is Ironheart. She did replace him in his book for a while after his death but the only one who took his name was Doom (which received no where near the amount of backlash Riri got.) All of her books were recently cancelled iirc but she has mini coming next year.
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[QUOTE=The_Lurk;4655291][url]https://www.amazon.com/Vixen-Return-G-Willow-Wilson/dp/1401225128[/url]
Its a pretty nice read. Also ties a bit into Final Crisis (can be read without, but knowing what comes gives a nice chill). I guess it did not sold that well and IMO they should give her another shot but they did tried.[/QUOTE]
It was actual cut short an issue. I think. One of the covers to the floppies implied a 6 issue run. I have to check to make sure.
[QUOTE]Had read up on her (Riri). So... shes the new Iron Man?[/QUOTE]
Unlike Doom she never called herself Ironman. Despite claims otherwise. Funny Doom never got attacked.
[QUOTE]If we can count Vertigo as DC then yeah DC blows Marvel out of the water with stuff like Scalped.[/QUOTE]
It's not even a contest. Scalped is a master class with honorable mention to 100 Bullets, Unknown Soldier & American Way.
[QUOTE]Comic books stores will buy a book if they see a demand for a book.
I don't know why do you think it is necessary to eliminate them.[/QUOTE]
Not all of them. Some just don't want certain books (Archie will tell you that)
Others has issues ordering books. Scout Comics has had issues getting books to stores and Diamond has issue putting those titles on order lists.
Book availability-some companies don't make every book available to order. Dc has done with some titles. A demand was there but no copies were made. It's why you see books at blood money prices when they have NO business being that. Around here a book with Static starts at $30. For some reason.
[QUOTE]I loved Scott Lobdell's Doomed, which featured a lead of color (never did have the time to explore Reiser's ethnic background), along with a subplot with his roommate who was gay and was dealing with a superpowered form he couldn't control of his own. Then there was Reiser's love interest, who we couldn't delve into as far as her true role was concerned.[/QUOTE]
What race was he? Teen Titans did no favor to him by making him look like a Vulcan & a mouse.
[QUOTE]My impression was that at this department DC (comics) is miles ahead of Marvel though. [/QUOTE]
It depends on what you are looking for. If you take into consideration solos, minis, story arcs and one shots.
For simplicity lets use black folks solo series for this-(off the top of my head mind you)
Steel has 52 solo issues.
Jason Rusch has 56 (counting co-lead with Ronnie).
John Stewart at 18
Black Lighting at 32(ish)
Cyborg at 38
Batwing is 44
Solos/Mini/one shot-Voodoo, Xero, Naomi, Silencer, Tattoo Man, Mister Terrific, Vixen, Orpheus, Duke Thomas, Michael Lane, Bloodwynd & Bronze Tiger (sort of)
Total 18. Honorable mentions to Amazing Man 1 & 2, Dr Midnight, Crimson Avenger 2, Jakeem Thundar, Black Spider, Hotspot, Tyrco, Invisible Kid, Kid Quantum & Blindslide-who had story arcs as leads or an entire issue devoted to them in books.
Marvel
Luke Cage & Panther are over 150.
Miles goes over 100 next year.
War Machine is at 40-50
Falcon at 40-45
Moon Girl is at 47
Solo/Mini/one shot-Storm, Brother Voodoo, Prowler, Nightmask, Spider Punk, another Spider-Man, Nighthawk, Midnight Angels, Riri, Shuri, Deathlok 2, Deathlok 3, Bishop, Cloak, Night Thrasher, Nick Fury, Spectrum, Wildstreak, Nightwatch, Eli Bradley, Blade, Black Goliath, Black Goliath 2 (sort of), Rocket Racer (Marvel had Tony Isabella write backups for him and tossed those in random books) & Blue Marvel.
Total-31. Honorable mentions to Prodigy, Monet, Robbie Robertson, Synch & Flint-who all had the lead in story arcs in books.
DC does more spotlight and story arc in a team book.
Marvel goes for a series and a trade.
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;4656224]It was actual cut short an issue. I think. One of the covers to the floppies implied a 6 issue run. I have to check to make sure.
Unlike Doom she never called herself Ironman. Despite claims otherwise. Funny Doom never got attacked.
It's not even a contest. Scalped is a master class with honorable mention to 100 Bullets, Unknown Soldier & American Way.
Not all of them. Some just don't want certain books (Archie will tell you that)
Others has issues ordering books. Scout Comics has had issues getting books to stores and Diamond has issue putting those titles on order lists.
Book availability-some companies don't make every book available to order. Dc has done with some titles. A demand was there but no copies were made. It's why you see books at blood money prices when they have NO business being that. Around here a book with Static starts at $30. For some reason.
What race was he? Teen Titans did no favor to him by making him look like a Vulcan & a mouse.
It depends on what you are looking for. If you take into consideration solos, minis, story arcs and one shots.
For simplicity lets use black folks solo series for this-(off the top of my head mind you)
Steel has 52 solo issues.
Jason Rusch has 56 (counting co-lead with Ronnie).
John Stewart at 18
Black Lighting at 32(ish)
Cyborg at 38
Batwing is 44
Solos/Mini/one shot-Voodoo, Xero, Naomi, Silencer, Tattoo Man, Mister Terrific, Vixen, Orpheus, Duke Thomas, Michael Lane, Bloodwynd & Bronze Tiger (sort of)
Total 18. Honorable mentions to Amazing Man 1 & 2, Dr Midnight, Crimson Avenger 2, Jakeem Thundar, Black Spider, Hotspot, Tyrco, Invisible Kid, Kid Quantum & Blindslide-who had story arcs as leads or an entire issue devoted to them in books.
Marvel
Luke Cage & Panther are over 150.
Miles goes over 100 next year.
War Machine is at 40-50
Falcon at 40-45
Moon Girl is at 47
Solo/Mini/one shot-Storm, Brother Voodoo, Prowler, Nightmask, Spider Punk, another Spider-Man, Nighthawk, Midnight Angels, Riri, Shuri, Deathlok 2, Deathlok 3, Bishop, Cloak, Night Thrasher, Nick Fury, Spectrum, Wildstreak, Nightwatch, Eli Bradley, Blade, Black Goliath, Black Goliath 2 (sort of), Rocket Racer (Marvel had Tony Isabella write backups for him and tossed those in random books) & Blue Marvel.
Total-31. Honorable mentions to Prodigy, Monet, Robbie Robertson, Synch & Flint-who all had the lead in story arcs in books.
DC does more spotlight and story arc in a team book.
Marvel goes for a series and a trade.[/QUOTE]
I was thinking in less black & white only terms when I wrote that ;)
Like that awesome run:
[IMG]https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/1/17/Green_Lanterns_Vol_1_7.jpg[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;4656224]Batwing is 44[/QUOTE]Not if you count both Batwings (David and Luke) separately.
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A different kind of diversity than originally asked for, but [I]Birds of Prey[/I] during Dixon's and Simone's runs. The continuing need to re-educate artists on how to draw Babs's wheelchair is just one point in evidence.
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Hmm, I personally don't remember seeing any minority focused books at DC outside of Cyborg, Blue Beetle, Batwoman, Cass Cain ongoings and the Black Lightning and The Signal minis (not counting imprints as they feel othering) and I personally wouldn't be singing any praises about those except Cass book.
I did like the Vixen mini that DC did years back, I wouldn't say it was the all time best, but it was good for what it was.
[QUOTE=9th.;4656155][B]Nah she was never IM, she has her own name which is Ironheart. She did replace him in his book for a while after his death but the only one who took his name was Doom (which received no where near the amount of backlash Riri got.)[/B] All of her books were recently cancelled iirc but she has mini coming next year.[/QUOTE]
Yep, and to slightly build off this, almost since inception it was known Riri was gonna be referred to as Ironheart. The hate for the character stemmed from Tony dying (even though it was obvious he would be brought back) and leading the Iron Man book, Bendis creating her which as we all know he has his own hatedom (and he's associated/blamed for all things diversity so yes race was at play), and her being a female character who knew she was the s**t and was building to have an ego as big as Tony's when she got older.
I also hope Ewing is not writing that mini, need more autistic-coded Riri (Bendis) and less generic geek girl Riri (Ewing).
[QUOTE=kjn;4656919]A different kind of diversity than originally asked for, but [I]Birds of Prey[/I] during Dixon's and Simone's runs. [B]The continuing need to re-educate artists on how to draw Babs's wheelchair is just one point in evidence[/B].[/QUOTE]
DC really had a physically disabled character at the forefront of the company and they took it right back smh.
ETA: Left the tab open and realized I totally forgot and blanked out about some characters.
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Dayyyyyum this list is pretty skimpy....
Smh DC....smdh
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[QUOTE=9th.;4655360]I have this in my collection but I feel like she wouldn't gotten more chances at Marvel, [B]Riri is extremely hated[/B] and she has 2 titles and a team book (well one if you don't count her feature in Ironman)[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say that "Riri is extremely hated", but rather that "Riri's haters hate her extremely". She's quite the breakout character who definitely has her fans and audience. But she also has her haters, too, they are loud and tend to dominate (read: prevent) the conversation of her character. That is to say, there's hate for her, but it's more vocal and loud, and in turn negatively sensationalized.
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What race was he? Teen Titans did no favor to him by making him look like a Vulcan & a mouse.[/QUOTE]
As mentioned Reiser's ethnicity and ethnic background was never explored in the short 5 issue-run. We never got a last name, either, far as I recall, and the only relations we saw of him was his Aunt. I'd need to re-read the series, but I don't think that was enough to gauge anything. As well, I cannot place the ethnic origins of the Reiser's name, personally.
Like, and pardon my blind guessing, as that is all to go from, but Middle-Eastern or South-west Asian descent? I really don't know.
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[QUOTE=J. D. Guy;4658581]As mentioned Reiser's ethnicity and ethnic background was never explored in the short 5 issue-run. We never got a last name, either, far as I recall, and the only relations we saw of him was his Aunt. I'd need to re-read the series, but I don't think that was enough to gauge anything. As well, I cannot place the ethnic origins of the Reiser's name, personally.
Like, and pardon my blind guessing, as that is all to go from, but [U]Middle-Eastern or South-west Asian descent?[/U] I really don't know.[/QUOTE]
That what I thought.
[QUOTE]That is to say, there's hate for her, but it's more vocal and loud, and in turn negatively sensationalized.[/QUOTE]
To her credit Eve Ewing nipped a lot of that hate with her first issue. I saw gator websites actual praise her and even encourage folks to support the book.