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Kind of miffed about the timeskip because now Abby Ryder Fortson is getting passed over for Emma Fuhrmann.
Cassie's switched back to a purple version of her Stature costume, but is still called Stinger. The same look was her stage 2 outfit in the now-defunct Avengers Academy mobile game.
[QUOTE=Chris0013;4345522]Kind of miffed about the timeskip because now Abby Ryder Fortson is getting passed over for Emma Fuhrmann.[/QUOTE]
is she? i wasn't really expecting to see Abby wearing a costume any time soon.
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i wish that this version of Hope existed. they make a cute couple.
[QUOTE=Chris0013;4345522]Kind of miffed about the timeskip because now Abby Ryder Fortson is getting passed over for Emma Fuhrmann.[/QUOTE]
It might not be the case since we might not get another Antman movie for about 3 years anyways.
[QUOTE=Digifiend;4345925]Cassie's switched back to a purple version of her Stature costume, but is still called Stinger. The same look was her stage 2 outfit in the now-defunct Avengers Academy mobile game.[/QUOTE]
I wonder if that was intentional or just some artist/colorist error. Or maybe Cassie went back to the Stature costume because it's not as skintight as the Stinger costume (it always looked that way to me) :p?
Honestly wish Cassie would just go back to Stature. We have enough Wasp ladies.
[QUOTE=Digifiend;4345925]Cassie's switched back to a purple version of her Stature costume, but is still called Stinger. The same look was her stage 2 outfit in the now-defunct Avengers Academy mobile game.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Frontier;4346536]I wonder if that was intentional or just some artist/colorist error. Or maybe Cassie went back to the Stature costume because it's not as skintight as the Stinger costume (it always looked that way to me) :p?
Honestly wish Cassie would just go back to Stature. We have enough Wasp ladies.[/QUOTE]
Made a comment about it in the Nadia Appreciation thread....but after some time a thought popped into my tiny, slow brain. Her helmet does what Hank's did in the Avengers: EMH cartoon. When he got giant his helmet kind of disappeared. Maybe that is the thinking here. As she goes big it shifts shape or something.
[QUOTE=Chris0013;4346542]Made a comment about it in the Nadia Appreciation thread....but after some time a thought popped into my tiny, slow brain. Her helmet does what Hank's did in the Avengers: EMH cartoon. When he got giant his helmet kind of disappeared. Maybe that is the thinking here. As she goes big it shifts shape or something.[/QUOTE]
You win a no-prize ;).
[QUOTE=Frontier;4346536] Honestly wish Cassie would just go back to Stature. We have enough Wasp ladies. [/QUOTE]
Agreed. As a giant woman, she was pretty unique. Giant dudes are a dime a dozen, by comparison.
Between Wasp / Janet, Wasp / Nadia, and folks like Songbird, Mockingbird, Beetle / Janice, etc. I feel like the 'winged chick who shoots zaps' niche is harder to make a dent in.
[QUOTE=Frontier;4346536]I wonder if that was intentional or just some artist/colorist error. Or maybe Cassie went back to the Stature costume because it's not as skintight as the Stinger costume (it always looked that way to me) :p?
Honestly wish Cassie would just go back to Stature. We have enough Wasp ladies.[/QUOTE]
I feel like it might have originally been her red Stature costume, but they changed it to purple later in the process
When we first saw preview art of Nadia's party, Cassie was wearing a red dress. And when the issue came out they changed it to purple the match her Stinger costume
[QUOTE=Beetle;4346663]I feel like it might have originally been her red Stature costume, but they changed it to purple later in the process
When we first saw preview art of Nadia's party, Cassie was wearing a red dress. And when the issue came out they changed it to purple the match her Stinger costume[/QUOTE]
So, yeah, probably an artist error that they corrected in post-production.
Ant-Man 3 isn't official yet, but I can't imagine they went to the trouble of recasting Cassie just for that bit part in Endgame. I could see them leaning more toward Stature than Stinger for the movies, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the comics following suit.
(We did sort of get a tease of that in Wasp #7. Of course that was to contrast Cassie with Nadia.)
[QUOTE=Kevinroc;4346773]Ant-Man 3 isn't official yet, but I can't imagine they went to the trouble of recasting Cassie just for that bit part in Endgame. I could see them leaning more toward Stature than Stinger for the movies, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the comics following suit.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Stinger would be more redundant then Stature.
I guess you could probably adapt the costume pretty faithfully as well since it would be in-line with the movie Ant-Man aesthetic, but they'd have to replace the domino mask with a helmet.
[QUOTE=Sutekh;4346595]Agreed. As a giant woman, she was pretty unique. Giant dudes are a dime a dozen, by comparison.
Between Wasp / Janet, Wasp / Nadia, and folks like Songbird, Mockingbird, Beetle / Janice, etc. I feel like the 'winged chick who shoots zaps' niche is harder to make a dent in.[/QUOTE]
kind of stacked the deck there, didn't you? Janet and Nadia are the only females who currently shrink and fly. Janice Lincoln tried to get size-changing powers because she was tired to just being a flier. Janet, Kamala, Big Zero, and Man-Killer are giant women.
[QUOTE=Michael Watkins;4347148]kind of stacked the deck there, didn't you? Janet and Nadia are the only females who currently shrink and fly. Janice Lincoln tried to get size-changing powers because she was tired to just being a flier. Janet, Kamala, Big Zero, and Man-Killer are giant women.[/QUOTE]
Not intentionally, I don't really think of Janet (who rarely grows, apart from some cartoon for kids I saw once), Kamala (who is a shapechanger who can grow, but isn't generally portrayed as a sizechanger, specifically, and seems more of a stretchy person to me) or Man-Killer (who grew once, but, again, isn't known for that, and, like Hawkeye or Scourge, who've used Pym Particles before, aren't generally known as sizechangers) as growing girls, and I plain forgot Big Zero.
In my defense, I think Marvel has forgotten some of these growing girls as well, since none of them were picked to join the infiltration team in Giant-Men. :)
In any case, I still think Cassie is more distinctive as a size-changer like Big Zero than a flying shrinking zapper like Nadia.
Although I also fond of the idea that she could do both, and surprise someone who thinks that she's just 'the girl who grows' and tries to fly out of her reach or go somewhere she can't fit to use her growth powers and 'lose her,' only for her to shrink down, activate some wings and 'stings' and start blasting. :)
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In my defense, I think Marvel has forgotten some of these growing girls as well, since none of them were picked to join the infiltration team in Giant-Men. [/QUOTE]
pretty sure that it's plot driven. the writer's a female. and all of the frost giants that we've seen so far have been male.
[QUOTE=Sutekh;4347277]In any case, I still think Cassie is more distinctive as a size-changer like Big Zero than a flying shrinking zapper like Nadia.[/QUOTE]
I think she should exploit the Pym particle spectrum in a way that the others don't. it's not limited to growing or shrinking. but she handpicked the Stinger identity when she went to the Power Broker. just saying.
[QUOTE=Sutekh;4347277]Although I also fond of the idea that she could do both, and surprise someone who thinks that she's just 'the girl who grows' and tries to fly out of her reach or go somewhere she can't fit to use her growth powers and 'lose her,' only for her to shrink down, activate some wings and 'stings' and start blasting. :) [/QUOTE]
that would be acceptable. I've just never been fond of the powerset. I hate it even more when Scott does it. you grow to giant size you instantly become a clumsy death prone jobber. it would astound you how many times a giant character has had a hole blown through them or come crashing to the ground from a minor strike. artists like depicting this. giants invite violence. and I think Cassie's fans sometimes forget just how lackluster she was as a giant heroine.
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she wasn't the powerhouse of the Young Avengers. if she stays Stature, I hope that she gets better at being a giant heroine. otherwise, she's a limited version of Kamala (who very often appears at giant size despite the stretchiness).
[QUOTE=Michael Watkins;4347344] I think she should exploit the Pym particle spectrum in a way that the others don't. it's not limited to growing or shrinking. [/quote]
That's true. I'd be amused by someone using Pym Particles to make bus-sized giant ants or teleport or phase through walls or turn into a thousand tiny people, just to blow some minds.
[quote] that would be acceptable. I've just never been fond of the powerset. I hate it even more when Scott does it. you grow to giant size you instantly become a clumsy death prone jobber. it would astound you how many times a giant character has had a hole blown through them or come crashing to the ground from a minor strike. artists like depicting this. giants invite violence. and I think Cassie's fans sometimes forget just how lackluster she was as a giant heroine. [/QUOTE]
Yeah, that annoys me as well. Square-cube law kind of demands that if one grows to twice one's height, one increase in weight by eight. So, at double height, Cassie (or Scott, or Hank) *has* to be eight times as strong and tough, just to walk and breathe and move around at that size. Eight times as tough is like rock, already. At sixty feet tall or around 10 times size, giant Cassie should be *one thousand* times as heavy, and strong, and tough. A thousand times as tough is many times tougher than any metal that exists...
Sure, something with the power of *Thor* blowing a hole in Black Goliath fits the power levels we are talking about here, but many, if not most, super-heroes and villains shouldn't be able to even hurt Cassie when she's gigantic. Tank shells should be bouncing off of her eyeballs!
[QUOTE=Sutekh;4347469]That's true. I'd be amused by someone using Pym Particles to make bus-sized giant ants or teleport or phase through walls or turn into a thousand tiny people, just to blow some minds.
Yeah, that annoys me as well. Square-cube law kind of demands that if one grows to twice one's height, one increase in weight by eight. So, at double height, Cassie (or Scott, or Hank) *has* to be eight times as strong and tough, just to walk and breathe and move around at that size. Eight times as tough is like rock, already. At sixty feet tall or around 10 times size, giant Cassie should be *one thousand* times as heavy, and strong, and tough. A thousand times as tough is many times tougher than any metal that exists...
Sure, something with the power of *Thor* blowing a hole in Black Goliath fits the power levels we are talking about here, but many, if not most, super-heroes and villains shouldn't be able to even hurt Cassie when she's gigantic. Tank shells should be bouncing off of her eyeballs![/QUOTE]
scott figured out that the relation of size to strength isn't linear. it's entirely a choice. he can be dense as a rock at normal size, ant-size, or giant-size. same with strength. but, yeah, giant characters tend to get nerfed quite easy. Taskmaster took out three of them with a nerve strike.
[QUOTE=Michael Watkins;4347344]I think she should exploit the Pym particle spectrum in a way that the others don't. it's not limited to growing or shrinking. but she handpicked the Stinger identity when she went to the Power Broker. just saying.[/QUOTE]No she didn't. She merely asked for Pym Particle related powers as it's what she knows. What she got was basically Wasp powers, though we now know it restored her original powers as well.
She specifically asked for the helmet so that she could control insects
She didn't ask for the wings or stingers though. Remember, before she became Stature, she wanted to be Ant-Girl. But she couldn't get Scott's helmet from the Avengers. With only size changing powers, she picked a different name.
Love the title
[QUOTE=Digifiend;4347569]She didn't ask for the wings or stingers though. Remember, before she became Stature, she wanted to be Ant-Girl. But she couldn't get Scott's helmet from the Avengers. With only size changing powers, she picked a different name.[/QUOTE]
How do you know that she didn't ask for the wings or stingers? That was never stated in text.
We know she asked for Pym particles and the helmet.
[QUOTE=Digifiend;4347569]She didn't ask for the wings or stingers though. Remember, before she became Stature, she wanted to be Ant-Girl. But she couldn't get Scott's helmet from the Avengers. With only size changing powers, she picked a different name.[/QUOTE]
she designed the look (at least the helmet which wasn't part of her stature look). i'm not sure why this even bothers you. it's the exact suit that she wears in the MC-2 Universe. do you think Power Broker designed that too?
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I like the Stature design more personally, but it's a nice look all the same, but maybe a tad "been there, done that..."
Well, and it's a little more skintight, I think :p.
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Yessss, she's read Young Avengers! We love a queen who's doing her homework!
I've found my people! :P
Don't think I saw this posted here but Cassie shows up in the last issue of the WotR Giant-Man series.
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I'm surprised that Cassie was able to grow her wings that big, usually when Janet goes giant, or even human sized, her wings disappear
I guess it's because the wings are technological and part of her costume?
[QUOTE=Beetle;4463502]I'm surprised that Cassie was able to grow her wings that big, usually when Janet goes giant, or even human sized, her wings disappear
I guess it's because the wings are technological and part of her costume?[/QUOTE]
Well, maybe they kept it so visually she wouldn't just look like a purple Stature.
(Who wants to bet she becomes Stature again in the comics for eventual movie synergy :p?)
[QUOTE=Beetle;4463502]I'm surprised that Cassie was able to grow her wings that big, usually when Janet goes giant, or even human sized, her wings disappear
I guess it's because the wings are technological and part of her costume?[/QUOTE]
something something pym particles :cool:
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(Who wants to bet she becomes Stature again in the comics for eventual movie synergy :p?)[/QUOTE]
Considering the fact that the first two times Cassie has shown up in a while she has only turned big and has reverted back to her old suit (expect for the fact that it's purple and has wasp wings), I think they definitely are slowly reverting back to her Stature persona. I was never huge on her Stinger look so I'm quite happy with the direction it's going.
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[QUOTE=Frontier;4463506]Well, maybe they kept it so visually she wouldn't just look like a purple Stature.
(Who wants to bet she becomes Stature again in the comics for eventual movie synergy :p?)[/QUOTE]
Assuming the movies will go with Stature. Someone involved in the Ant-Man movies (I don't remember if it was the writer or director) mentioned how they liked Nick Spencer's Ant-Man run when they were questioned about Cassie, and if they are using that run as an inspiration for teenage Cassie, there's a chance she might make her hero debut in the MCU as Stinger. I could actually see them preferring that, since the Stinger identity actually resembles a mix of both Ant-Man and Wasp, so they could use that as a way to promote her as their legacy hero in the MCU.
But in case she goes back to Stature for whatever reason in the comics, I'm fine with that. I just hope she keeps her Stinger powers. Changing your size is fun, but the additional powerset she gained made her a lot more useful and dynamic as a character.
I like the power ups she got from the Stinger identity (the wings, the Stinger blasts, the insect controlling helmet), but the Stature costume suits her better, I like seeing her hair
I wouldn't mind if she only wears the helmet when she shrinks down, and just kinda switches between Stature and Stinger depending on Big or Small
I dunno. I liked Stinger as an MC2 nod but it's always felt like discount Wasp to me. At least there's not a lot of giant-women among all the Pym Particle users.
[QUOTE=Frontier;4463680]I dunno. I liked Stinger as an MC2 nod but it's always felt like discount Wasp to me. At least there's not a lot of giant-women among all the Pym Particle users.[/QUOTE]
same number of giant women as insect themed women.
[QUOTE=Michael Watkins;4464204]same number of giant women as insect themed women.[/QUOTE]
Wasp, Wasp2, Beetle, Mantis, Yellow Jacket (RIP), Stinger Can we count the spiders? I know not insects but hey if spiderman can constantly be called an insect by enemies?
How many giant?