Should they kill off Harley at some point?

I mean I just don't see her appeal anymore I feel like she's at her best when she's Joker's side kick and I don't like the idea of her being made into a hero if what I've heard is true. I feel maybe it would be more fitting if her love for Joker got her killed like in the animated series where Batman says "I hope your still laughing when the joke's on you." I just feel Joker killing her is the most logical direction to take her character and I'd prefer her obsession/love for Joker to be her end making her a cautionary tale.

Something like this scene for example
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I like harley and don't want her killed. I'm not a fan of her becoming an anti hero but I feel there's still plenty of potential left in her character.

Again.
Someone doesn't like or doesn't see what the character's for, they propose to kill, get rid, or reboot so they don't exist. There's the Batfam, there's this...

This kind of thinking is what's been happening at DC and that's how we got events where characters are killed... because nobody's using them or don't know what to do with them or just plain don't like them... and then readers get angry because it's for shock value, because those characters have fans... and from the business side, if that character headline a book, that means cutting off future revenues from fans of those characters for at least a year... just for one period (six months) of hype.

Answer's no.

I wouldn't object to that kind of death in a self contained Elseworlds, but not in the main range.
Death in comics is overdone, never sticks, so it lacks any serious impact or consequences.
The character is hugely popular. She has another movie and an animated series coming out. She's unlikely to go away anytime soon.

[QUOTE=dietrich;4522666]I like harley and don't want her killed. I'm not a fan of her becoming an anti hero but I feel there's still plenty of potential left in her character.[/QUOTE]

This is also my stance on the subject of killing Harkey. She still has plenty of potential besides I enjoy reading about her.

I wouldn't mind her going more on the bad guy side rather than good guy. Similar to the Arkham Harley

[QUOTE=Darkcrusade25;4522705]I wouldn't mind her going more on the bad guy side rather than good guy. Similar to the Arkham Harley[/QUOTE]

I too would like to see more villain than hero Harley make a comeback. *crosses fingers*

Could not care less either way. I completely apathetic to the lame Deadpool ripoff she's been turned into over the years.

I'm perfectly fine with Antihero Harley. The only thing I have a problem with is how often the awful things she still does are kinda...put up with.

why would they do that

Her love for the Joker getting her killed has been done
They already killed Harley a couple of times in fact pre flashpoint Joker killed her during the emperor joker arc
What's left for DC to do? Something original is always nice which is why her current direction as an anti hero has lasted so long

As long as she making WB money she's not going anywhere.

I don’t think killing her off is the BEST option. However keeping her a villain would probably be fun (and wouldn’t gloss over all of the things she was at the LEAST an accomplice to). Kind of like how her DCUniverse show is about her trying to make a name for herself in the supervillain community.

[QUOTE=Toreador;4522896]As long as she making WB money she's not going anywhere.[/QUOTE]

At this point in time Superman is more likely to be killed off than Harley. Well they did actually kill off Superman in the movies, but he got better. If Harley were killed it wouldn't last long, and just be for shock
value, sort of like killing Brian on [I]Family Guy[/I], so why bother?

Even if you don't see her appeal, a lot of people do. She has many, many fans. Why would DC want to piss them off?

Not even DC would be dumb enough to kill off an investment like Harley.

I hate what they've turned her into over the years, but she clearly makes money.

Harley is one of the few DC characters I actually like so I’m against the idea. At this point for me the vast majority of DC characters have become boring and stale literally going over the same stories over and over again, mostly because certain fans are obsessed with nostalgia and throw a fit whenever there’s real change to a character. The fact that these nostalgia obsessed fans don’t like Harley is probably one of the only reasons she has been allowed to grow as a character.

The majority of criticism comes from people who have never read her solo and know virtually nothing about the character apart from her origins in BAS and her appearance in crossovers, judging any character based on such limited evidence is obviously going to lead a massive misconception.

She's been dead before. Had a whole adventure getting out of hell and everything.

As soon as Harley got her own book, I knew DC had completely lost the plot with her. I wouldn't say she needs to get killed off, but she needs to go back to just being a Gotham rogue or, at the very least, a character in the Suicide Squad.

[QUOTE=Citizen Kane;4527249]As soon as Harley got her own book, I knew DC had completely lost the plot with her. I wouldn't say she needs to get killed off, but she needs to go back to just being a Gotham rogue or, at the very least, a character in the Suicide Squad.[/QUOTE]

Are you talking about her own New 52 book? Or her early 2000's solo title?

kill her? no, DC pushed her HARD, try are not going to throw all that work and built fandom away. Even if they did kill her, she'd just be brought back because DC can't handle death in their storytelling in any meaningful way.

I do think she needs to return to villain, doesn't have to be as Joker's squeeze, because trying to make Harley Quinn this "feminist" icon anti-hero is.....problematic. grain of salt, for I am a cis black man, but Harley Quinn the hero feels like Sansa Stark, in the sense that she feels like a "male-gazian" facsimile of a very particular brand of feminism. it feels disingenuous.

not to say there can't be empowerment taken from Harley's story, and I say that despite not reading every single thing she's been in, but the things that character has done, as been complacent in, and who that character is supposed at their core make her a weird choice for me to be considered one of the many characters that's been described as the "4th pillar" of the DC universe, especially as a female character; particularly because there are plenty of other female characters that predate her who could've fill that role.

[QUOTE=lemonpeace;4527682] DC pushed her HARD, try are not going to throw all that work and built fandom away. [/QUOTE]

DC wishes it could build the sort of fandom Harley has. DC didn't need to push her. They just road that wave.

[QUOTE=Swallowtail;4527694]DC wishes it could build the sort of fandom Harley has. DC didn't need to push her. They just road that wave.[/QUOTE]

eh, not to say Harley didn't have a inherent interest when she was introduced but her status in the comics today is largely due to how much DC marketed her after her initial success when she was intergrated into the page from the animated series. there was a point in time where Harley was everywhere in the DCU, that wasn't naturally occurring nor an accident. it's less so they "rode the wave" and more so that they saw a small character who fans liked and deliberately doubled down on that character; it's the deadpool effect. the difference being the undertones of social commentary, which I love in comics but it doesn't exactly land the way DC wanted it to in regards to Harley; for me at least.

I think fans need to divorce themselves from this idea that these characters arrive at this higher status of utility off the strength of the character alone, especially at DC. Interesting characters don't fail because they are inherently bad and popular characters don't always become that way because they were I inherently well-crafted or profitable, a lot of it has to do with how DC handles that character's appearances on the page, which covers they're on, how many properties are they in, etc.

Why would DC kill off their 2nd most popular characters? And one of the few characters that actually sells? Make coherent arguments people.

[QUOTE=Clark_Kent;4527530]Are you talking about her own New 52 book? Or her early 2000's solo title?[/QUOTE]

Her New 52 book. To be honest, I was not aware she had an earlier series. The more you know, I suppose.

[QUOTE=Citizen Kane;4528872]Her New 52 book. To be honest, I was not aware she had an earlier series. The more you know, I suppose.[/QUOTE]

Yeah her first solo was in the early 2000s, it had a decent amount of issues.
[url]https://comicvine.gamespot.com/harley-quinn/4050-9494/[/url]

[QUOTE=Vakanai;4524796]Even if you don't see her appeal, a lot of people do. She has many, many fans. Why would DC want to piss them off?[/QUOTE]

Tell that to the Titans fans. :p

She'll die at some point and be back like a few issues later.

[QUOTE=Citizen Kane;4528872]Her New 52 book. To be honest, I was not aware she had an earlier series. The more you know, I suppose.[/QUOTE]

I LOVED her original solo series. She was a lot closer to original concept, was zany and fun. After her break up with Joker she tries to rob Wayne manor and then creates a new identity and moves to Metropolis.

[QUOTE=lemonpeace;4527723]eh, not to say Harley didn't have a inherent interest when she was introduced but her status in the comics today is largely due to how much DC marketed her after her initial success when she was intergrated into the page from the animated series.[/QUOTE]

What you're saying is that DC recognized an increase in demand, and responded by providing an increase in supply.

That's actually what business is *supposed* to do. :p We don't see that at DC all the time, but this is what it looks like. DC didn't do anything wrong with Harley, for once they actually gave the fans what they were asking for.

She's died in the past and I'm sure will die again in the future for some cheap, stupid short-term shock value gimmick, but until/unless her popularity and value decrease substantially she's not actually going anywhere. Nor should she; she offers something that no one else in DC offers, and that's worth keeping around.

[QUOTE=Ascended;4530436]What you're saying is that DC recognized an increase in demand, and responded by providing an increase in supply.

That's actually what business is *supposed* to do. :p We don't see that at DC all the time, but this is what it looks like. DC didn't do anything wrong with Harley, for once they actually gave the fans what they were asking for.

She's died in the past and I'm sure will die again in the future for some cheap, stupid short-term shock value gimmick, but until/unless her popularity and value decrease substantially she's not actually going anywhere. Nor should she; she offers something that no one else in DC offers, and that's worth keeping around.[/QUOTE]

I can't say there was all that much of a demand, I wasn't necessarily following comic all that much till relatively recently, what I can say is there was a time where Harley was pushed very vehemently by DC to the point of oversaturation similar to Deadpool at a point. Now, I also wouldn't say that a bad thing, in fact I agree that DC as a business give the treatment to other characters more regularly, my point is that Harley Quinn's status as it didn't just happen and it was deliberately built up by DC. Which, looping back to my original post, is why it wouldn't make sense for DC to kill her off (in any meaningful way) and wasting all that work they invested into the character getting her exposure and building out her fanbase.