Wonder Woman New 52 vs Wonder Woman rebirth

So it’s been a few years. How does rebirth stack up with new 52 Wonder Woman?

I have to say I’m glad no sex pirates and the fact most of the writers at least make sure they stay within what the story has set up and not reboot everything

I kind of liked New 52 Wonder Woman better although I agree that the sex pirates thing was beyond cringeworthy.

When they kept her away from Superman and the Steve drama, I found N52 Diana to be a bit more tolerable. Loved the stuff with Orion, but I prefer the Rebirth take.

I miss Azz’s Gods, they were a perfect rogues gallery for Diana. Especially Strife. However I think the Rucka human supporting cast is amazing. A perfect WW world would fuse these two elements

I definitely prefer the Rebirth version. It's more consistent, iconic, and offers much more variety than the New 52 version.

I consider Azzarellos run to be more damaging and negative than even Robinsons awful run. The rape pirates thing was an element that existed and lingered from nearly the start of new 52 to the end of it.
So between New 52 having Azzarello and Finch
While Rebirth has had Rucka, Sharp, Scott, Robinson, Orlando, Wilson...

Im going Rebirth since while it had one REALLY bad run, it had nothing which outright established Wonder Woman to be enabling a group of mass murdering rapists who belong in prison

Rebirth, though neither are perfect.

If the Azzarello run had just been a story with Diana and a handful of new supporting demigod characters going on a tour of the Greek pantheon as re-designed by Chiang, it would have been a lot more enjoyable because that was easily the best part. I still enjoy the first year of the run (Amazons aside) because Hera, Hades and Apollo were the best antagonists. But the characterization of the Amazons, the Zeus parentage, the First Born/Cassandra being dull flat antagonists and Orion/the New Gods being shoved in there are too big of hurdles to get over. Basically, I love the art, a few isolated scenes with Diana herself and the Gods, and am neutral to the new characters, but the drawbacks are far too damaging to the central themes of Wonder Woman. it injected too much misogyny to be viable long term.

Rucka's first run is superior overall because he didn't have to do continuity clean up. Here, he was charged with cleaning up the New 52's mess* while keeping it in continuity somewhat and making it an accessible jumping on point. The Lies/the Truth was the weaker half of his run, but still as good as it could be considering the state of the WW mythos was a mess even before he got there. Year One/Godwatch are more straightforward stories and are better for it, I love those two. For supporting characters, he gets major points for restoring the Amazons to their true selves. Steve is kind of bland, but it's appreciated that he's even there filling his classic role, and the only disappointment really is Etta. For villains, Maru is kinda weak, but Cheetah and Veronica Cale are far more layered and interesting antagonists than the First Born and Cassandra (what the hell did she want again?).

*Seriously, Azzarello made detrimental changes and left them undeveloped, Finch took what little potential there was and ran it into the ground immediately, and Johns kept the rest of the characters separate from the main book and fired off random details about them without properly developing any of them. The thing was a huge mess, and what exactly was left to ruin by the time Rucka got there?

I'm going with the new 52 Wonder woman! Over the rebirth Wonder Woman. I stopped reading WW solo comic when Azz was writing it!! Didn't like him making her a war God , didn't like him trying to make someone that sexually harassed her, a love interest, Orion. Or that whole sex pirates thing. What I liked was her series with Superman!! I liked them being together as a couple! Rebirth they don't have a relationship, their not really friends! I hate Dc saying their romance relationship never happened! Won't pick-up a rebirth WW comic!!

The two in my opinion shouldn’t be lovers I don’t know aren’t the two suppose to be friend. I mean the two strongest people on the JL being lovers is interesting yet also bad. Dc already had a bad history with making a fool of her in JL comics at times

Why did Orion ever get added in Wonder Woman

Diana herself: New 52
Amazons: Rebirth
Gods: New 52
Other Antagonists: Rebirth
General storylines: New 52

[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4369171]Why did Orion ever get added in Wonder Woman[/QUOTE]
He was intended to be the love interest of the story, however DC having her and Superman date at the time put the kibosh on that. It was really the one thing that Azzarello didn't have free reign over to my knowledge. Thankfully. Normally I wouldn't mind but the new Orion was an ass, and obviously I like her and Superman better anyway over most interests.

I like some of the gods but not the rest especially how little the female gods mattered despite them being in the story. I loved Hera and hoped to see her in rebirth. Some of their designs I didn’t care for like Athena or hades

Rebirth all the way.

Apart from the murdering sex pirate Amazons and making Diana into a bystander in the story, which should be bad enough in itself, I don't like the way he approached the gods. Now, I think Pérez was far too respectful to the ancient versions, but Azzarello simply didn't understand them. Instead of trying to interrogate their roles and function from a modern perspective, he only used his own vision of them.

Making Ares into a sensible and tired god could certainly work, but not without a lot of prior setup work, and especially not at the same time as the Amazons were torn down from a moral level. The goddesses became devoid of personality, except Eris and Hera (who was demoted to "human" status). The idea of Athena's child supplanting Zeus is absolutely great, but would have required a lot more work, and not end in a return to the [I]status quo ante[/I].

What did you guys think about the supporting casr in new 52 vs rebirth?

Rebirth Wonder Woman had two trash level runs, Rucka and Robinson, the former being so bad that just learning that he wrote something I previously may have enjoyed without knowing he was involved devalue the whole thing to me.

New 52's had Finch, which was awful, but Azzarello was by far the best part of the whole bunch - and rape Amazons over the rampant glorification of an isolationist, sexist and xenophobic society which is so pervasive among fans of the "iconic" depiction of the Amazons.

The way a lot of you people describe the New 52 WW its as if that one page accounted for 90% of the plot.

[QUOTE=Korath;4369650]New 52's had Finch, which was awful, but Azzarello was by far the best part of the whole bunch - and rape Amazons over the rampant glorification of an isolationist, sexist and xenophobic society which is so pervasive among fans of the "iconic" depiction of the Amazons.[/QUOTE]

I liked Azz's run more than most and never minded the Amazons killing (because life's too short to get upset over anything that'll inevitably be retconned) but I don't understand how someone can hate Marston's vision of the Amazons and presumably be a fan. The character is feminist and having her come from an idealised all female paradise is fairly integral part of her story. The society is of course isolationist but that's due to the violence of man's world (and you can always have Diana correct that).

Breaking with this is only one of many things that Azz did that showed he had little interest in traditional Wonder Woman stories but I liked that about his run. More characters could do with runs that completely break from previous iterations and do their own thing.

The issue of Azz run is Diana is way to much of a supporting cast and player rather than a actually character. Most of which isn't always bad but at times the question is did Diana need to be put there. Many time with DC characters certain storylines have to be unique to them or else what would be the point. I mean for example Orion didn't need to be there.

[QUOTE=Pinsir;4369726]The way a lot of you people describe the New 52 WW its as if that one page accounted for 90% of the plot.[/QUOTE]

Well, that _was_ bad. More important IMHO is the fact that New 52 WW suddenly was/is the daughter of Zeus, and that this can not be easily retconned because the movie picked up that origin.

Making Diana a generic demigod, a female Heracles, takes away much from her origin, and much of what made her special. Looking back, that's what I dislike most about New 52. Also, making her carry a sword (or swords hidden in her bracelets etc.). Diana shouldn't routinely carry lethal weapons. To be fair, this started already in 'Odyssey'.

While I disliked New 52 WW, I'm also not happy with Rebirth. (I have to say that I'm only reading the trades, so I'm not up to date. I can't get single issues in Germany at decent prices.) The sword thing continues, and Diana is more than once wounded by bullets. I am aware that every superhero needs a weakness, like Kryptonite for Superman, so that stories aren't too bland, but I think Marston's WW was never wounded by bullets. Her weaknesses were her hands being chained by a man, being KO'ed by chloroform, or the lasso used against her - but not being shot.

[QUOTE=hgzip;4370472]Well, that _was_ bad. More important IMHO is the fact that New 52 WW suddenly was/is the daughter of Zeus, and that this can not be easily retconned because the movie picked up that origin.[/QUOTE]

To be fair, the movie made it into a rather minor plot point, and I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of the sequels don't bother to bring it up.

[QUOTE=hgzip;4370472]Making Diana a generic demigod, a female Heracles, takes away much from her origin, and much of what made her special. Looking back, that's what I dislike most about New 52. Also, making her carry a sword (or swords hidden in her bracelets etc.). Diana shouldn't routinely carry lethal weapons. To be fair, this started already in 'Odyssey'.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. I'm of the belief that most writers shy away from examining Wonder Woman too closely, and try to make her "safe" to use. As such they also remove the very thing that makes her unique—the implications of her upbringing on Themyscira with regard to class, gender, queerness, sexuality, and so on—while frantically trying to replace that with something else that doesn't manage to fill the void. Seen in that light Azzarello isn't so much an outlier as a natural end point.

[QUOTE=hgzip;4370472]While I disliked New 52 WW, I'm also not happy with Rebirth. (I have to say that I'm only reading the trades, so I'm not up to date. I can't get single issues in Germany at decent prices.) The sword thing continues, and Diana is more than once wounded by bullets. I am aware that every superhero needs a weakness, like Kryptonite for Superman, so that stories aren't too bland, but I think Marston's WW was never wounded by bullets. Her weaknesses were her hands being chained by a man, being KO'ed by chloroform, or the lasso used against her - but not being shot.[/QUOTE]

One thing to keep in mind is that it's probably more fruitful to talk about runs than New 52 or Rebirth in this context. The writers for the Justice League, Wonder Woman, and Superman/Wonder Woman titles wrote very different Dianas. Even right now, with two IMO very good depictions of Diana in JLD and her own title, there is a clear difference in how she is imagined, and the two titles hardly seem to connect with each other.

It’s never clear. Diana said she never had a father. That she was brought to life by Zeus that can mean anything. However, since it wasn’t the main fact of the storyline like Azz I don’t people would care if she had her clay origin. Azz focused more so on the fact Diana got everything from the men in her family

[QUOTE=Korath;4369650]New 52's had Finch, which was awful, but Azzarello was by far the best part of the whole bunch - and rape Amazons over the rampant glorification of an isolationist, sexist and xenophobic society which is so pervasive among fans of the "iconic" depiction of the Amazons.[/QUOTE]

Um, the Azzarello Amazons are the sexist, isolationist and xenophobic ones while other depictions of the Amazons are significantly more nuanced and are under no obligation to interact with an outside world that enslaved and raped them after destroying their homes and slandering their reputation. But with Diana's encouragement, they often try to interact with the outside world again anyway. And went to war with another tribe who actually WERE those things, but were still way more fleshed out with their own POVs than Azzarello ever managed with his.

It's funny you say it glorifies this behavior, but please provide a page where it does. Because you won't find one in the Perez run or Rebirth.

The Banas never raped anyone. I mean the Banas might have killed men but never raped them. I honestly feel the Banas shouldn't go that far. I mean if they are going with a eye for a eye kind of culture depending on the crime.

I think I preferred the art of the New 52 run – at least, Cliff Chiang's art. Other than that, Rebirth.

[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4371960]The Banas never raped anyone. I mean the Banas might have killed men but never raped them. I honestly feel the Banas shouldn't go that far. I mean if they are going with a eye for a eye kind of culture depending on the crime.[/QUOTE]

They had men locked up in their "breeding stables." They were totally committing rape.

I’m a bit of a outsider in that I liked both lol. The only time I’ve ever been interested in the DC Greek Pantheon was during Azz’s run. I enjoyed the jousting for Zeus’ throne, the incorporation of the New Gods, Apollo trying to take control, Ares being a cynical mentor to Diana, Diana teaming up with Zeus’ other children. And we know what music Azz Diana likes lol! I thought the rape was overdoing it but otherwise, the run as a whole? I liked it. I would collect the run and make it a Black Label book, officially designating it an Elseworld.

But I liked Rucka’s run a lot too. Firstborn was a very boring villain whereas Rucka managed to finally create a Cale that clicked for me, I [B]loved[/B] his Cheetah, and I’m still sad we never got to see more of his Circe. His Dr. Cyber was great too, I didn’t really know much about her before, and now I want to see her again, I really liked her. His only real miss was Colonel Poison who was just kinda there, and I was disappointed he didn’t revamp Dr. Psycho as well. I liked his Year One origin for Diana as well. Rucka did a great job revamping Diana’s mortal Rogues.

What they both have in common is that their successors have done a poor job building on what they created. The Finches basically destroyed everything Azz created, and post-Rucka Diana has been left with a handful of boring filler writers, (Orlando excepted) and Robinson’s godawful run. Wilson I feel has started to come into her own with that last issue though, and we’ve got WW1984 on the way so I’m still optimistic about Diana’s future.
[QUOTE=H-E-D;4371996]I think I preferred the art of the New 52 run – at least, Cliff Chiang's art. Other than that, Rebirth.[/QUOTE]
I [I]loved[/I] the New 52 Greek Gods designs. They were amazing, I’m very sad they disappeared. The humans in togas and animals never really appealed to me, and it’s part of why I find the Greek Gods boring normally. That’s one aspect I wished they hadn’t gotten rid of.

I thought Azzarello Wonder Woman was one of the top books
On the stands during its run ( some times even #1)

Superman and Wonder Woman, by far, were the most painfully boring comic super-couple ever assembled.

Frank Azzarello's Orion, in his imperfection and spiritual struggle, was an infinitely more complex companion for Diana, without ever lying with her, than was Superman, ..with all of his writers' cheesy, contrived huffing and puffing. What's more; Wonder Woman made Orion a better man - not quite a dove, but, a better man and a better hero, certainly. The model for their complex relationship, with Orion being ally, trusted lieutenant, friend and potential love interest, might have been a good one for Greg Rucka's Rebirthed Steve and Diana.

Frank Azzarello convinced me that Steve and Diana should not, for a very long stretch, be written, as mutually recognized equals. Steve, like 52's Orion, should be written as the most capable and trusted among Diana's small circle of loyalists. That has infinitely more narrative stability and sustainability, because it's always growing and testing Diana's boundaries, than just making Steve, ..her lovesick boyfriend.

For me, that circle of loyalists might be Etta, Ferdinand, Artemis, Perez's Herakles, I Ching and Troy.

Neither the 52 or Rebirth are perfect takes on WW. Both have their highlights and pitfalls.

[QUOTE=My Two Cents;4372337]I thought Azzarello Wonder Woman was one of the top books
On the stands during its run ( some times even #1)[/QUOTE]

Not saying yeah or nay on the run, but it never cracked the top 10. It debuted at 13th with 76,214 sold, its highest rank, and had fallen down into the 30s by issue 7 or 8. Azzarello's run ended at issue 35, with 35,958 copies sold in 75th place.

Rebirth Wonder Woman, on the other hand, debuted at 9th with 107,737. Wonder Woman #6 was the first book to fall below Azzarello's top numbers, hitting 74,856 at 21st place. Rucka ended his run at 37th place with issue 25, 44,106 copies sold.

By comparison, Azzarello's #25 had 33,532 copies sold and was at 60th place in the rankings.

[QUOTE=Mel Dyer;4372392]Superman and Wonder Woman, by far, were the most painfully boring comic super-couple ever assembled.

Frank Azzarello's Orion, in his imperfection and spiritual struggle, was an infinitely more complex companion for Diana, without ever lying with her, than was Superman, ..with all of his writers' cheesy, contrived huffing and puffing. What's more; Wonder Woman made Orion a better man - not quite a dove, but, a better man and a better hero, certainly. The model for their complex relationship, with Orion being ally, trusted lieutenant, friend and potential love interest, might have been a good one for Greg Rucka's Rebirthed Steve and Diana.

Frank Azzarello convinced me that Steve and Diana should not, for a very long stretch, be written, as mutually recognized equals. Steve, like 52's Orion, should be written as the most capable and trusted among Diana's small circle of loyalists. That has infinitely more narrative stability and sustainability, because it's always growing and testing Diana's boundaries, than just making Steve, ..her lovesick boyfriend.

For me, that circle of loyalists might be Etta, Ferdinand, Artemis, Perez's Herakles, I Ching and Troy.

Neither the 52 or Rebirth are perfect takes on WW. Both have their highlights and pitfalls.[/QUOTE]

Is Frank Brian Azz's brother or cowriter?

[QUOTE=Mel Dyer;4372392]Superman and Wonder Woman, by far, were the most painfully boring comic super-couple ever assembled.

Frank Azzarello's Orion, in his imperfection and spiritual struggle, was an infinitely more complex companion for Diana, without ever lying with her, than was Superman, ..with all of his writers' cheesy, contrived huffing and puffing. What's more; Wonder Woman made Orion a better man - not quite a dove, but, a better man and a better hero, certainly. The model for their complex relationship, with Orion being ally, trusted lieutenant, friend and potential love interest, might have been a good one for Greg Rucka's Rebirthed Steve and Diana.

Frank Azzarello convinced me that Steve and Diana should not, for a very long stretch, be written, as mutually recognized equals. Steve, like 52's Orion, should be written as the most capable and trusted among Diana's small circle of loyalists. That has infinitely more narrative stability and sustainability, because it's always growing and testing Diana's boundaries, than just making Steve, ..her lovesick boyfriend.

For me, that circle of loyalists might be Etta, Ferdinand, Artemis, Perez's Herakles, I Ching and Troy.

Neither the 52 or Rebirth are perfect takes on WW. Both have their highlights and pitfalls.[/QUOTE]

I couldn't disagree with you more when it comes to the SM and WW relationship!! as for Orion being a love interest!! I thought the way Orion treated WW was so disrespectfully! WW is all about a woman being treated with respect, not being treated like a sex object!! Not falling for the guy that has been sexually harassing her! Orion never once called Diana by her name or WW. He called by a body part LEGS!! Women would be insulted to be treated that way!! The women and little girls that look at her as a symbol for strong women would be throwing their WW comics away!! If Orion would have been her love interest!!

[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4365024]So it’s been a few years. How does rebirth stack up with new 52 Wonder Woman?

I have to say I’m glad no sex pirates and the fact most of the writers at least make sure they stay within what the story has set up and not reboot everything[/QUOTE]

To me 52 supersedes AMAZONS ATTACK as a blight against the character. Unfortunately not all of it has been washed away but I am confident that it will in time. Of course the franchise will still be troubled so long as people like DiDio and Johns are running the show. But one step at a time

New 52 was not perfect and I saw it as a work in progress that should have been allowed to build. Compared to some of the mediocre stuff we got preflashpoint, New 52 was a good modern take that could have been built on and if people did not like the tainted Amazons, a writer could have retconed that instead of throwing everything out. It had some of the best rogues in Azz's Gods and it is a travesty they are made out to be lies for the Disney like Gods of Rebirth. Diana had a very strong sense of who she was despite being a daughter of Zeus. She was very powerful. And I am so happy Azzarello used Orion to show Diana's compassion as opposed to using her as enduring bs behavior from men and that tired outdated troupe of good girls must put up with bad boys and fall for them. It was bad enough when they tried it with WW chasing Batman. If Wonder Woman had to be with someone I would assume the type of woman Diana is , she would be attracted to a compassionate, noble, kind man. I never had issues with her romance with Superman. Made sense to me. It is a shame Soule never got his chance to tell more because he wrote Diana very well. And Azzarello, while he did not use Superman in his run, has written them in Dark Knight 3 as a couple.

While I like the Ambassador origins begun by Perez and by Rucka, preflashpoint, DC always mess Diana up by never giving her anything stable and always seem to be apologizing for her Amazon heritage and her being powerful and saying incomprehensible things like she needs to be more human as if Amazons have no emotions. Human history is peppered by humans doing crap things and it is also a conceited thing to presume all humans as good just as to an isolationist, warrior based society is a utopia and perfect. I think Azzarello wanted to challenge that notion, which to me is a fair slant if we are really going to look at comics in a modern way.

Rebirth is so vanilla compared to Rucka's older run. Diana comes across a little foolish than the fresh more innocent Perez for someone as old as she is. Rebirth Diana is very wishy washy and her voice is very dubious and whiny and being with Steve is not helping her much either. Fact it reinforces to me that Perez made the right decision when he rebooted her back in the 80ties and made Steve an elder brotherly ally.

I envy what Marvel has done with their top tier women. They celebrate that power. If Diana is tough and kicks ass, some fans cry she is a barbarian or savage. Fighting is not a pretty thing and the superhero genre involves action. Then when DC does not focus on her in big events, they cry DC is ignoring her. Well if we have a weaker version, what is she supposed to do against top tier foes? Hug them? Azzarello gave us power and compassion but some people preferred to ignore that and cry over Amazons than celebrate Diana's solid characterization.

I wish Dc would give us a new 52 earth if they are going to saddle us with this Rebirth version. Wilson's WW is so uninteresting, she makes Finch look pretty good.

[QUOTE=lotchj;4372713]I couldn't disagree with you more when it comes to the SM and WW relationship!! as for Orion being a love interest!! I thought the way Orion treated WW was so disrespectfully! WW is all about a woman being treated with respect, not being treated like a sex object!! Not falling for the guy that has been sexually harassing her! Orion never once called Diana by her name or WW. He called by a body part LEGS!! Women would be insulted to be treated that way!! The women and little girls that look at her as a symbol for strong women would be throwing their WW comics away!! If Orion would have been her love interest!![/QUOTE]

But Orion wasn't a love interest...

He became Diana's companion! Furthermore, his grotesque flirtations were resoundingly crushed by Wonder Woman, for all to see, after which her compassion transformed him into a loyalist [Princesses have those!] and companion. Some of us can't forgive Orion and Hercules for their trespasses, but, apparently Wonder Woman and the Amazons can ..and have. If we don't see Diana's compassion, optimism and refusal to give up on anybody, ever, heal and transform her rivals and enemies ..what good is it?

Without it, she may as well be Xena, Lady Death ..or Power Girl. Wonder Woman needs her compassion and her friends.

[I]Maggie, Aphrodite, Steve, Ferdinand, Artemis, Troy, Etta, Prince Jason...[/I]

The [I]Rebirth[/I] event has given Diana a more sustainable circle of companions, than the New 52. While New 52 cast seemed very temporary and event-oriented - pregnant Zola, unborn Zeus, villain-banished Hera, reckless Lennox - the Rebirth companions, including Prince Jason, don't have meters running on them. They feel to me, as though they could actually fit into the WW comic's on-going narrative, co-existing with the leading lady, on longer terms. Diana-Maggie-Phro, with Steve and Ferdinand on the side, actually feels like a [B]cast,[/B] and that came with Rebirth.

Guess I've got to choose Rebirth, as the more progressive of the two events.

[QUOTE=hellacre;4373493]New 52 was not perfect and I saw it as a work in progress that should have been allowed to build. Compared to some of the mediocre stuff we got preflashpoint, New 52 was a good modern take that could have been built on and if people did not like the tainted Amazons, a writer could have retconed that instead of throwing everything out. It had some of the best rogues in Azz's Gods and it is a travesty they are made out to be lies for the Disney like Gods of Rebirth. Diana had a very strong sense of who she was despite being a daughter of Zeus. She was very powerful. And I am so happy Azzarello used Orion to show Diana's compassion as opposed to using her as enduring bs behavior from men and that tired outdated troupe of good girls must put up with bad boys and fall for them. It was bad enough when they tried it with WW chasing Batman. If Wonder Woman had to be with someone I would assume the type of woman Diana is , she would be attracted to a compassionate, noble, kind man. I never had issues with her romance with Superman. Made sense to me. It is a shame Soule never got his chance to tell more because he wrote Diana very well. And Azzarello, while he did not use Superman in his run, has written them in Dark Knight 3 as a couple.

While I like the Ambassador origins begun by Perez and by Rucka, preflashpoint, DC always mess Diana up by never giving her anything stable and always seem to be apologizing for her Amazon heritage and her being powerful and saying incomprehensible things like she needs to be more human as if Amazons have no emotions. Human history is peppered by humans doing crap things and it is also a conceited thing to presume all humans as good just as to an isolationist, warrior based society is a utopia and perfect. I think Azzarello wanted to challenge that notion, which to me is a fair slant if we are really going to look at comics in a modern way.

Rebirth is so vanilla compared to Rucka's older run. Diana comes across a little foolish than the fresh more innocent Perez for someone as old as she is. Rebirth Diana is very wishy washy and her voice is very dubious and whiny and being with Steve is not helping her much either. Fact it reinforces to me that Perez made the right decision when he rebooted her back in the 80ties and made Steve an elder brotherly ally.

I envy what Marvel has done with their top tier women. They celebrate that power. If Diana is tough and kicks ass, some fans cry she is a barbarian or savage. Fighting is not a pretty thing and the superhero genre involves action. Then when DC does not focus on her in big events, they cry DC is ignoring her. Well if we have a weaker version, what is she supposed to do against top tier foes? Hug them? Azzarello gave us power and compassion but some people preferred to ignore that and cry over Amazons than celebrate Diana's solid characterization.

I wish Dc would give us a new 52 earth if they are going to saddle us with this Rebirth version. Wilson's WW is so uninteresting, she makes Finch look pretty good.[/QUOTE]

Rebirth was the worst thing that happened to WW, it's the worst version of her that I see in over 40 years of reading... turned the Amazon Princess into a complete idiot, incoherent, weak, immature, sentimentally speaking. Why the stupid sword and shield? Why that uniform with that skirt that is useless? The lasso is her main weapon, the truth is her shield ... when she gets down on her knees for the sons of Ares, does she show compassion and solidarity with her victims? And, apparently getting on her knees is the most used move for her to defend herself! She has no pride or self-love... what Aphrodite's son did in the last few numbers was to rape those people's minds, to corrupt them by generating an almost iniquitous evil, and to her all right? The heads of those children... the understanding, the anguish that passed while their parents gave vent to their carnal desires... is that legal? Okay? She behaves like a plastic doll with plastic feelings! Even with defects new 52 WW was passionate, human, liable to mistakes and recognized them, was in growth, evolution... her stories were well elaborated, strong, there was coherence, she cared... WW rebirth behaves like rebirth SM only caring for those closest to him... both for me have lost the title of heroes, they are just powerful beings who do not connect with humanity, why should I care about them?

Well Dc didn't want to completely rebooth it. So they are still going with New 52 are certain parts. Rucka's version pretty good. Orion was suppose to be a love interest. That's the reason why he was even in new 52 Wonder Woman

Honestly, "Rebirth" is too much of a mess that does not deliver on it's supposed pitch to work for me.

While the "New52" is apparently some sort of an illusion is apparently what happened in "Rebirth", Diana seemingly has an actual twin brother during "Rebirth". Just way too much "maybe?" without the actually concrete foundation that was seemingly the pitch for "Rebirth".

While I absolutely get why folks would like it, "Rebirth" is way to wishy washy for me.

Of the two options, it's "New52" easily.

[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4373660]Well Dc didn't want to completely rebooth it. So they are still going with New 52 are certain parts. Rucka's version pretty good. Orion was suppose to be a love interest. That's the reason why he was even in new 52 Wonder Woman[/QUOTE]

The only part they kept was the Papa Zeus origin, otherwise pretty much [I]everything[/I] else was thrown out. I guess Jason would technically count as New 52 but he thankfully seems banished forever.

Honestly with the exception of Action Comics at the time, when Soule was writing Superman/Wonder Woman I felt it was the best book depicting those characters over their solos.

To be honest despite hating the Zeus origin still I liked rebirth's better because it's not sexist. That the gods and the amazons played a much fairer origin. I still feel DC still hasn't actually let Diana settle in where she lives. While many of you say her home is Paradise Island, I still think we should see what goes on in the city she picks to live in. I mean Diana going to a nightclub shows her interacting more with the public. I mean seeing Diana actually doing other things besides being a hero is fun. Her just going to a movie or something else in her city would be nice