MindofShadow, Informative post!
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;4643341]That absolute state of this thread. Bast have mercy. At least when people go on a "piss on Coates" fest in here, it comes from a place of fandom. Not this... sunken place type comments.
Who wants to play a game? These are straight facts, no chasers, no opinion, just numbers. Ok some opinion, based on fact though lol.
- BP v7 #16 is the 8th lowest issue sold in Black Panther history.
- If you limit it to T'challa lead issues (aka throw out Kasper Cole), BPv7 #16 is the 5th lowest issue sold in Black Panther History. The top 4 were all Liss run.
- T'challa lead Priest issues never sold under 20K in 49 issues with no marketing gimmicks, no renumbering, no event cross overs. He didnt fall to BP#16 range until his 60th issue using Kasper Cole. For the non Black Panther fans in here, remember, Priest lasted 62 issues with no gimmicks, no renumber, no crossovers, barely any marketing, no movies, no TV, taking an absolute dead character and re-inventing him... WITH editorial interference being forced to use Vin Diesel look alike Kasper towards the end.
- Hudlin's lowest issue was 19,455.
- Mayberry's lowest issue was 17,881
- BPv7, #16 is Coates 40th BP Issue. Priest 40th issue sold 20,188 (and held that number until issue 52! aka had a dedicated fan base until nuked by Kasper).
- Hudlin's 40th issue he wrote was actually vol5 #2, which sold 33,750. The 40th issue of vol4 was SWAD, written by Aaron. Hudlin's 38th issue sold 19,455.
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- Priest average sales number was 25,241. If you throw out Kasper run, its 27,250.
- Hudlin's entire volumes averaged 35K. Use only volume 4 (his main one), and its 37,314. If you use issues Hudlin actually wrote (throw out mayberry and aaron), and its 37,114.
- Coates current average is 42,450. Which is obviously beyond solid... until you dig a bit.
- If you throat out Coates #1's (aka marketing gimmicks that do not reflect writing quality at all) and his intial legacy renumber marketing gimmick, and his average plummets to 34,462
- Hell, if you throw out JUST Coates initial #1 that did 200+ K sales that literally had absolutely nothing to do with writing quality and was purely based on speculation and hype, his average drops from [B]42,450 to 37,180![/B]
- The entire basis of "Coates is the best seller of BP ever!" is all because of ONE FREAKING ISSUE! that had everyting to do with Hickman, years of no black panther solos, and Coates literary fame and absolutely NOTHING to do with Coate's writing itself. ONE ISSUE!! You throw out that one issue and [B]Coate's SOLD NO BETTER THAT HUDLIN[/B] despite a billion dollar movie, despite "twitter followers," despite cartoons, despite merchandise everywhere.
- Let Coates keep his legacy renumbering, just take out his two #1's, drops to 34,991.
- If you think I am just chery picking, throw out Hudlins' two #1's and his mariage issue... 35,754.
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[B]MindofShadow,[/B]
I have to save this most enlightening post!
Thank you.
I can only imagine the pleasure of fans if Reginald Hudlin was writing Black Panther now, with the same energy he had a decade ago, after a blockbuster movie that dramatically showcased an African utopia.
I daresay it would be a much happier tone on these boards by most of the regulars.
I sure as hell might actually buy the product.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;4679643]
Storm and all things X-related that have ever been the bane of the BP mythos post-Hudlin.
Practically all shade that's been thrown at the BP mythos as regards the Dora Milaje, has been initiated by X-writers and folks who gravitate towards that arm of the MU.
Storm's time as a perennial detailer if the BP mythos needs to be ended because at the end of the day, T'Challa's forward momentum within his solo has been stunted as regards positive character development and thematic growth just off of Coates usage of the aforementioned solo to push his own agenda.[/QUOTE]
Brother [B]Maj[/B],
As I've said before, [B]**** the X-Men.[/B]
They are a white fantasy of oppression and until they have a United States born and raised black male star I don't want to hear **** from them.
Anyway, shout out to all the real ones on this board, you, [B]MoS, Digicom, LastManStanding, Cville, Marvell2100, Flex, KingNomarch[/B] and of course [B]Ezyo[/B].
You men make this thread a pleasure to read.:)
Excelsior!
Daoud