-
[QUOTE=Raiders;3964081]Even if I give up IW was dark, it’s still only one or two movies, XMen been dark since 2000.[/QUOTE]
Maybe that's part of the reason it hasn't been as successful as the MCU.
-
Honestly its not "darkness" or anything that has not led the X-Men films to do $1 billion at the box office like the Marvel films. Its the fact Marvel spent time building a Universe of films to a bigger payoff as we saw. Iron Man and others didn't start landing that massive box office til things grew that way. The X-Men films were part of solo sequels and had no real team building to a universe.
Its not til now that Fox realized they had a treasure trove of X-Men characters they can mine. Like Deadpool , X-Force , X-Men , New Mutants and Gambit. But from 2000 to 2015 the only films released were X-Men and Wolverine films. With no real connections. (And even now Fox can't seem to connect the films that well to build the universe ala what Marvel has done).
-
[QUOTE=Coal Tiger;3964213]Maybe that's part of the reason it hasn't been as successful as the MCU.[/QUOTE]
You’re acting like the X-Men franchise is a shared universe.
-
[QUOTE=SUPERECWFAN1;3964219]Honestly its not "darkness" or anything that has not led the X-Men films to do $1 billion at the box office like the Marvel films. Its the fact Marvel spent time building a Universe of films to a bigger payoff as we saw. Iron Man and others didn't start landing that massive box office til things grew that way. The X-Men films were part of solo sequels and had no real team building to a universe.
Its not til now that Fox realized they had a treasure trove of X-Men characters they can mine. Like Deadpool , X-Force , X-Men , New Mutants and Gambit. But from 2000 to 2015 the only films released were X-Men and Wolverine films. With no real connections. (And even now Fox can't seem to connect the films that well to build the universe ala what Marvel has done).[/QUOTE]
That and because the market today is vastly different than what it was in the early and mid-2000s.
X2 and X3 sold around as much tickets as Spider-Man: Homecoming according to Box Office Mojos.
[url]https://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=superhero.htm&adjust_yr=1&p=.htm[/url]
Spider-Man: Homecoming: 37,418,200
X-Men: The Last Stand: 35,780,500
X2: X-Men United: 35,646,700
Inflation in tickets prices, 3D, and the growth of the international market is the reason why Homecoming made twice as much money. So if the market back than was like it is today the first two X-Men sequels would have made 800 million.
-
[QUOTE=The Shape;3964232]That and because the market today is vastly different than what it was in the early and mid-2000s.
X2 and X3 sold around as much tickets as Spider-Man: Homecoming according to Box Office Mojos.
[url]https://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=superhero.htm&adjust_yr=1&p=.htm[/url]
Spider-Man: Homecoming: 37,418,200
X-Men: The Last Stand: 35,780,500
X2: X-Men United: 35,646,700
Inflation in tickets prices, 3D, and the growth of the international market is the reason why Homecoming made twice as much money. So if the market back than was like it is today the first two X-Men sequels would have made 800 million.[/QUOTE]
Very true, X-Men has been a very successful franchise.
One difference though, Disney is the best at marketing, all of their big movies (not just the Marvel stuff) do great at the box office.
-
[QUOTE=Raiders;3964259]Very true, X-Men has been a very successful franchise.
One difference though, Disney is the best at marketing, all of their big movies (not just the Marvel stuff) do great at the box office.[/QUOTE]
Kevin Feige does credit the marketing team at Disney.
[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/Kevfeige/status/946457546386231298[/url]
-
[QUOTE=Raiders;3964028]How many MCU movies has homosexuality, bloody, brain blown out, frontal nudity, kinky sex, cursing and body dismemberment?
The answer is NONE
I forget the torture and killing of small children too.
Won’t see any of these in the MCU.[/QUOTE]
So homosexuality is "dark" and falls into the same category as "bloody, brain blown out, frontal nudity, kinky sex, cursing and body dismemberment"? Good to know.
Anyway, the way you're describing it makes Fox's X-Men look like a whole franchise of Tarantino movies, and it's definitely not like that.
-
[QUOTE=Tantalus;3964327]So homosexuality is "dark" and falls into the same category as "bloody, brain blown out, frontal nudity, kinky sex, cursing and body dismemberment"? Good to know. [/QUOTE]
By that reasoning Adventure Time is pretty dark since it has a lesbian couple on the show.
-
[QUOTE=The Shape;3964333]By that reasoning Adventure Time is pretty dark since it has a lesbian couple on the show.[/QUOTE]
Basically, according to this logic, just put a couple gays in a show and a movie and then, boom, it’s dark.
-
[QUOTE=Raiders;3964028]How many MCU movies has homosexuality, bloody, brain blown out, frontal nudity, kinky sex, cursing and body dismemberment?
The answer is NONE
I forget the torture and killing of small children too.
Won’t see any of these in the MCU.[/QUOTE]
First this...
[QUOTE=Tantalus;3964327]So homosexuality is "dark" and falls into the same category as "bloody, brain blown out, frontal nudity, kinky sex, cursing and body dismemberment"? Good to know.
Anyway, the way you're describing it makes Fox's X-Men look like a whole franchise of Tarantino movies, and it's definitely not like that.[/QUOTE]
Second, adult content =/= dark.
-
Since Avengers 4 is set 5 years after the last film and Spider-Man: Far From Home seems to be set in set in present day it’s safe to say that the MCU is getting a soft-reboot similar to DOFP.
-
[QUOTE=The Shape;3964396]Since Avengers 4 is set 5 years after the last film and Spider-Man: Far From Home seems to be set in set in present day it’s safe to say that the MCU is getting a soft-reboot similar to DOFP.[/QUOTE]
I think your conclusion does not follow from the evidence presented. What seems clear is that in undoing the snap, the previous 5 years will be undone. That would suggest no soft reboot.
-
[QUOTE=AJBopp;3964552]I think your conclusion does not follow from the evidence presented. What seems clear is that in undoing the snap, the previous 5 years will be undone. That would suggest no soft reboot.[/QUOTE]
There is also them apparently revisiting the first Avengers film.
-
[QUOTE=SpiderClops;3964361]First this...
Second, adult content =/= dark.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, and homosexuality isn’t dark or adult content.
-
[QUOTE=Tantalus;3964327]So homosexuality is "dark" and falls into the same category as "bloody, brain blown out, frontal nudity, kinky sex, cursing and body dismemberment"? Good to know.
Anyway, the way you're describing it makes Fox's X-Men look like a whole franchise of Tarantino movies, and it's definitely not like that.[/QUOTE]
Homosexuality is not dark, the point is XCU is more daring to things that the MCU is afraid to do.
But my bad, I should have explained my point better.
