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God has spoken.
I love Otto as Superior Spider-Man. He is king of the trolls. Long live Superior Spider-Man aka Otto the Great! :cool: :D
I think he's just feeling guilty because deep down . . . well, he said it himself to Peter in the finale of the original Superior Spider-Man series, that he uses his egotistical bluster as a front to overcompensate for being all too aware of his inadequacies.
[QUOTE=Huntsman Spider;4452014]I think he's just feeling guilty because deep down . . . well, he said it himself to Peter in the finale of the original Superior Spider-Man series, that he uses his egotistical bluster as a front to overcompensate for being all too aware of his inadequacies.[/QUOTE]
I hope not. I prefer him being a jerk a self-aware jerk. He knows, or at least thinks, he is better than others and has no qualms about using them as rungs on the ladder of success. And what do you do with rungs, you step on them. Otto should be like Frieza from Dragon Ball in so much as he should never fully reform thus always maintaining his (dark grey character type) edge.
[QUOTE=Celgress;4452019]I hope not. I prefer him being a jerk a self-aware jerk. He knows, or at least thinks, he is better than others and has no qualms about using them as rungs on the ladder of success. And what do you do with rungs, you step on them. Otto should be like Frieza from Dragon Ball in so much as he should never fully reform thus always maintaining his (dark grey character type) edge.[/QUOTE]
Hmm, maybe he shouldn't fully reform, but it doesn't seem like he's very comfortable with people actually treating him like the hero he believes he is. I mean, he's gotten what he always wanted . . . so why isn't he basking in it?
Maybe not where it's going but Otto [I]is[/I] living a lie.
He is a backup of himself, using an identity that didn't originate from him, using a false identity, which means he can't have a proper relationship with anybody hero or associate like Anna. He has what he wants but how sure is he that it's what he wants and to that end, he's still Otto they just don't know it. Saving someone's life isn't going to change his past of almost cooking the planet and (briefly) killing Peter Parker. It's not going to change people's perceptions of Otto, it's going to make Elliot look good.
Maybe that's what they're going for? Otto is horrifying, but Elliot is the Superior Spider-man so he has to be good right? They like the false identity and not Otto and simply can't know it's Otto.
I'm probably talking out my ass but hey that's an explanation.
[QUOTE=SuperiorIronman;4452147]Maybe not where it's going but Otto [I]is[/I] living a lie.
He is a backup of himself, using an identity that didn't originate from him, using a false identity, which means he can't have a proper relationship with anybody hero or associate like Anna. He has what he wants but how sure is he that it's what he wants and to that end, he's still Otto they just don't know it. Saving someone's life isn't going to change his past of almost cooking the planet and (briefly) killing Peter Parker. It's not going to change people's perceptions of Otto, it's going to make Elliot look good.
Maybe that's what they're going for? Otto is horrifying, but Elliot is the Superior Spider-man so he has to be good right? They like the false identity and not Otto and simply can't know it's Otto.
I'm probably talking out my ass but hey that's an explanation.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's what I was thinking, too, and why I mentioned that Otto might be feeling guilty because on some level, he [I]does[/I] know that as great as he (thinks he) is, everything he has now is based on false pretenses.
So San Francisco Spider-Man...isn't Miles supposed to be the Spider-Man of Brooklyn?
Ben was Vegas Spider-Man, basically, Kaine was Houston.
I guess Peter is just regular ol' New York Spider-Man.
[QUOTE=Huntsman Spider;4452125]Hmm, maybe he shouldn't fully reform, but it doesn't seem like he's very comfortable with people actually treating him like the hero he believes he is. I mean, he's gotten what he always wanted . . . so why isn't he basking in it?[/QUOTE]
We'll agree to disagree on this one my friend. I prefer this version of Otto (SS) as a more or less guilt-free douchebag who is either too aloof or too callous to care much, if at all, about using others.
Edit - Otto is a primary example of the Flat Character Arc in that both historically and contemporaneously he tends not to learn from his mistakes (or at least does not retain those lessons for more than a short time before reverting to his old habits) and thus does not improve long-term. Otto is the ultimate backslider, IMO, and I adore him for it.
[QUOTE=Frontier;4452435]So San Francisco Spider-Man...isn't Miles supposed to be the Spider-Man of Brooklyn?
Ben was Vegas Spider-Man, basically, Kaine was Houston.
I guess Peter is just regular ol' New York Spider-Man.[/QUOTE]
Or Queens Spider-Man.
[QUOTE=Celgress;4452493]We'll agree to disagree on this one my friend. I prefer this version of Otto (SS) as a more or less guilt-free douchebag who is either too aloof or too callous to care much, if at all, about using others.
Edit - Otto is a primary example of the Flat Character Arc in that both historically and contemporaneously he tends not to learn from his mistakes (or at least does not retain those lessons for more than a short time before reverting to his old habits) and thus does not improve long-term. Otto is the ultimate backslider, IMO, and I adore him for it.[/QUOTE]
That's fine. I can respect that.
[QUOTE=Celgress;4452493]We'll agree to disagree on this one my friend. I prefer this version of Otto (SS) as a more or less guilt-free douchebag who is either too aloof or too callous to care much, if at all, about using others.
Edit - Otto is a primary example of the Flat Character Arc in that both historically and contemporaneously he tends not to learn from his mistakes (or at least does not retain those lessons for more than a short time before reverting to his old habits) and thus does not improve long-term. Otto is the ultimate backslider, IMO, and I adore him for it.[/QUOTE]
I can see what you're saying, but I think Otto has definitely changed by being Spider-Man, he's proven that every time he puts on the suit and saves someone's life. The old Otto would never put his life on the line for people he views beneath him or care about the general masses at all. He's not doing this to prove he's better than Peter like before, though he's using the Spider-Man identity. He's generally trying to turn over a new leaf. The old Otto would never have fought Terrax almost to the point of death for innocent people or saved the city from a bunch demons, or most recently a war of realms. Though you might argue that's what he must do to prove himself as a hero, he did something else I never thought he could do during the war of realms, and that was accept he isn't the centre of attention, he's not the most important thing in the world. That's a level of humbleness we've never seen from Otto. So I have to disagree with you on him not changing, he has, and might always have this superiority complex and might still act like a jerk at times, but his heart is in the right place.
You compared him to frieza from DBZ but I don't think that comparison is completely right, considering how bad Frieza truly is, he's more like Vegeta, as he was a villain and quite the murderer himself like Otto was who slaughtered the namekians to get power, though years later after he reformed he felt remorse and felt he owed them an unpayable debt. It's the same for Otto, he can never truly make up for what he's done but he can, try to save as many people now to try and redeem himself and his soul.
[QUOTE=GSman;4454150]....You compared him to frieza from DBZ but I don't think that comparison is completely right, considering how bad Frieza truly is, he's more like Vegeta, as he was a villain and quite the murderer himself like Otto was who slaughtered the namekians to get power, though years later after he reformed he felt remorse and felt he owed them an unpayable debt. It's the same for Otto, he can never truly make up for what he's done but he can, try to save as many people now to try and redeem himself and his soul.[/QUOTE]
While I will concede he could become Vegeta someday right now he remains firmly in the Frieza category (consider what he did and worse wanted to do during Spider-Geddon). I honestly hope they never fully redeem him because the day they do his version of Spider-Man stops being unique, and that will be the day I stop supporting the character. We've already seen Kaine and Ben go through redemption arcs. Otto should remain Otto.
[QUOTE=Celgress;4454187]While I will concede he could become Vegeta someday right now he remains firmly in the Frieza category (consider what he did and worse wanted to do during Spider-Geddon). I honestly hope they never fully redeem him because the day they do his version of Spider-Man stops being unique, and that will be the day I stop supporting the character. We've already seen Kaine and Ben go through redemption arcs. Otto should remain Otto.[/QUOTE]
Frieza is a genocidal manic, while true Otto's done some sinister things, I wouldn't put him on that level of evil. He fits Vegeta more IMO. And what Otto did in Spider Geddon was wrong, but it wasn't entirely his fault or at least the blame doesn't lie completely with him, but also the Web Warriors. And in the end Otto proved his worth by being the one to end the Inheritors in a way that gives them another chance at life, something Otto originally detested to completely.
But I do see your point, he doesn't have to lose that killer edge he has, he can still do what he thinks is right, though it might be considered villainous to the general public, but at that point he'd be pretty akin to Venom, so I'm still not sure what to think. I want to see Otto do the right thing, but he can definitely go about it in a more sinister way perhaps.
[QUOTE=GSman;4454203]Frieza is a genocidal manic, while true Otto's done some sinister things, I wouldn't put him on that level of evil. He fits Vegeta more IMO.....[/QUOTE]
I'm not so sure. He did threaten to kill everyone on Earth during the events of "Ends of the Earth" for the self-aggrandizement of his ego. He also wanted to give a person HIV so he can cure them, once again for the self-aggrandizement of his ego. Otto could indeed be genocidal if he felt it was in his best interest, I think he might even do so today if he felt it served a greater purpose like protecting the world. Unlike Peter, he has no qualms about playing dirty when need be and I love him for that.
[QUOTE=Celgress;4454204]I'm not so sure. He did threaten to kill everyone on Earth during the events of "Ends of the Earth" for the self-aggrandizement of his ego. He also wanted to give a person HIV so he can cure them, once again for the self-aggrandizement of his ego. Otto could indeed be genocidal if he felt it was in his best interest, I think he might even do so today if he felt it served a greater purpose like protecting the world. Unlike Peter, he has no qualms about playing dirty when need be and I love him for that.[/QUOTE]
True he has done that, but that's a thing that every villain turned hero has to deal with, their past and all those things they've done. But honestly if Otto is still willing to do those things, even today, after everything good he's done for the innocents and San Francisco, he should just hang up that Spider-Man suit, and put on his tentacles since he's a straight up villain with no hope who's deceiving himself and others. I do believe Otto's past that, though he's not past killing and crossing lines Peter wouldn't, which is already a huge enough distinction between the two.
[QUOTE=GSman;4454223]True he has done that, but that's a thing that every villain turned hero has to deal with, their past and all those things they've done. But honestly if Otto is still willing to do those things, even today, after everything good he's done for the innocents and San Francisco, he should just hang up that Spider-Man suit, and put on his tentacles since he's a straight up villain with no hope who's deceiving himself and others. I do believe Otto's past that, [U]though he's not past killing and crossing lines Peter wouldn't, which is already a huge enough distinction between the two[/U].[/QUOTE]
I hope he stays that way. I don't want him to go full Vegeta as Vegeta is pretty tame in modern Dragon Ball and has been ever since his sacrifice during the Majin Buu arc. I'd prefer Otto does not go down a similar road but rather keeps his edge fully intact. Also, IMO, he and Peter should never become genuine friends as Goku and Vegeta have rather they should remain uneasy allies of convenience like Goku and Frieza when the need arises.
[QUOTE=Celgress;4454229]I hope he stays that way. I don't want him to go full Vegeta as Vegeta is pretty tame in modern Dragon Ball and has been ever since his sacrifice during the Majin Buu arc. I'd prefer Otto does not go down a similar road but rather keeps his edge fully intact. Also, IMO, he and Peter should never become friends as Goku and Vegeta have rather they should remain uneasy allies of convenience like Goku and Frieza.[/QUOTE]
I can agree with that, at least with him keeping his edgy side. That does keep things fresh and different in comparison to Peter or Miles who follow the "responsibility" code. I'm definitely down with him keeping that killer instinct so long as he's doing it for right reasons. Who knows that might even bring him into conflict with Anna in a future arc.
[QUOTE=GSman;4454235]I can agree with that, at least with him keeping his edgy side. That does keep things fresh and different in comparison to Peter or Miles who follow the "responsibility" code.[U] I'm definitely down with him keeping that killer instinct so long as he's doing it for right reasons. Who knows that might even bring him into conflict with Anna in a future arc[/U].[/QUOTE]
Indeed it might which will no doubt lead to all sorts of delicious drama mwah ha ha haha.
I think to some degree the attention is getting to Otto. In his first run as Superior, he was answerable to no one. Made his own decisions, burned more than a few bridges with relationships in Peter's and Spider-man's lives. Now he's got Anna Maria as his conscience, Emma knows his secret, and San Francisco idolizes him. Now there are expectations about who he is supposed to be, whereas as Doc Ock and Superior he pretty much set the tone. He may no longer enjoy playing the hero if he can't do it his way.
[QUOTE=SpideyClone;4454556]I think to some degree the attention is getting to Otto. In his first run as Superior, he was answerable to no one. Made his own decisions, burned more than a few bridges with relationships in Peter's and Spider-man's lives. Now he's got Anna Maria as his conscience, Emma knows his secret, and San Francisco idolizes him. Now there are expectations about who he is supposed to be, whereas as Doc Ock and Superior he pretty much set the tone. He may no longer enjoy playing the hero if he can't do it his way.[/QUOTE]
That could be it. I do like the discussion earlier comparing Otto to either Vegeta or Frieza from the Dragon Ball series, and my personal take is that Otto is closer to Vegeta than Frieza. Frieza never repented or desired to repent and was a monster to the end, only working with the heroes for his own selfish purposes and goals, whereas Vegeta grew to genuinely care about the people around him, even if he did a poor job of showing it and covered it up with his usual attitude. Furthermore, when he realized his actions had put them all at greater risk, he was willing to sacrifice himself to try to set it right, even though he knew that after a lifetime of wanton violence and mayhem, he wasn't going anywhere after he died except hell.
otto shall be peter's loki, he will also date loki, gage don't screw this up
[QUOTE=Snoop Dogg;4455078]otto shall be peter's loki, he will also date loki, gage don't screw this up[/QUOTE]
Otto/Loki could be an interesting pair, especially considering Loki's team-up with Peter back in a two-part story in the JMS run to save his mortal daughter from being possessed by the spirit of an ancient evil witch.
[QUOTE=Huntsman Spider;4455053]That could be it. I do like the discussion earlier comparing Otto to either Vegeta or Frieza from the Dragon Ball series, and my personal take is that Otto is closer to Vegeta than Frieza. Frieza never repented or desired to repent and was a monster to the end, only working with the heroes for his own selfish purposes and goals, whereas Vegeta grew to genuinely care about the people around him, even if he did a poor job of showing it and covered it up with his usual attitude. Furthermore, when he realized his actions had put them all at greater risk, he was willing to sacrifice himself to try to set it right, even though he knew that after a lifetime of wanton violence and mayhem, he wasn't going anywhere after he died except hell.[/QUOTE]
Have you watched Dragon Ball Super by any chance? I think revived (for the second time) Frieza's characterization in that series, especially during the Universal Survival Arc, is the best parallel to current Otto - a ruthless self-important douchebag who likes to grandstand and will work with others only if it serves his own interests, and someone who is not above taking shortcuts due to arrogance or even laziness. But, once again, that's just my opinion.
[QUOTE=Celgress;4455154]Have you watched Dragon Ball Super by any chance? I think Frieza's characterization in that series, especially during the Universal Survival Arc, is the best parallel to current Otto. But, once again, that's just my opinion.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I have. It's been a good watch so far, by and large.
[QUOTE=Huntsman Spider;4455159]Yeah, I have. It's been a good watch so far, by and large.[/QUOTE]
Have you gotten to the Universal Survival Arc yet? Universal Survival Arc Frieza is very close to current Otto (especially during Spider-Geddon) in terms of characterization. I feel they are a near-perfect parallel for each other, at least IMO.
[QUOTE=Celgress;4455168]Have you gotten to the Universal Survival Arc yet? Universal Survival Arc Frieza is very close to current Otto (especially during Spider-Geddon) in terms of characterization. I feel they are a near-perfect parallel for each other, at least IMO.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm there right now. Not sure I see much of Frieza in Otto or vice versa, but I'm willing to be persuaded.
[QUOTE=Huntsman Spider;4455235]Yeah, I'm there right now. Not sure I see much of Frieza in Otto or vice versa, but I'm willing to be persuaded.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough, still, I think you'll see what I mean once you witness Frieza's actions during the tournament.
[QUOTE=Celgress;4455168]Have you gotten to the Universal Survival Arc yet? Universal Survival Arc Frieza is very close to current Otto (especially during Spider-Geddon) in terms of characterization. I feel they are a near-perfect parallel for each other, at least IMO.[/QUOTE]
Honestly I'd compare Frieza more to someone like Doctor Doom, especially once you get to the Broly movie which follows up that arc, and he's right back to pure villainy and genocide.
I'm on the side of Vegeta being Otto, because they both have their very closed off and angry personalities, believing their way to be the best and only options, but have grown to still want to do the right thing in the end. Also, they may not be a pairing at the moment, but Anna Maria can very much be seen as the Bulma in this situation.
[QUOTE=Inversed;4455434]Honestly I'd compare Frieza more to someone like Doctor Doom, especially once you get to the Broly movie which follows up that arc, and he's right back to pure villainy and genocide.
I'm on the side of Vegeta being Otto, because they both have their very closed off and angry personalities, believing their way to be the best and only options, but have grown to still want to do the right thing in the end. Also, they may not be a pairing at the moment, but Anna Maria can very much be seen as the Bulma in this situation.[/QUOTE]
Maybe someday Otto will become like Vegeta but I, for the time being, still see him as Dragon Ball Super Frieza. I feel he hasn't reformed enough yet to be modern Vegeta perhaps Android/Cell Saga Vegeta but not modern Vegeta. He needs his noble sacrifice moment plus a meaningful reconciliation with Peter before he can make the leap from villain turned somewhat reluctant anti-hero to fully realized anti-hero.
PS The Broly movie was great, IMO.
[QUOTE=Celgress;4455439]Maybe someday Otto will become like Vegeta but I, for the time being, still see him as Dragon Ball Super Frieza. I feel he hasn't reformed enough yet to be modern Vegeta perhaps Android/Cell Saga Vegeta but not modern Vegeta. He needs his noble sacrifice moment plus a meaningful reconciliation with Peter before he can make the leap from villain turned somewhat reluctant anti-hero to fully realized anti-hero.
PS The Broly movie was great, IMO.[/QUOTE]
I think why I can't see Otto as Frieza is that he's actually trying to do good with the second chance he's been given, take Frieza on the other hand who after being revived didn't repent or feel any remorse for his actions and went straight back to being a genocidal maniac, the thing that got him killed 2 times before. So really the main difference between Otto and Frieza, and why I can't equate them together is because Frieza will never ever admit he's wrong or feel sympathy for his crimes. While Otto can and has admitted he's wrong for his actions, not to someone else to convince them of his goodness, but himself in his self monologuing. That's more than Frieza who's completely irredeemable could do.
[QUOTE=GSman;4455483]I think why I can't see Otto as Frieza is that he's actually trying to do good with the second chance he's been given, take Frieza on the other hand who after being revived didn't repent or feel any remorse for his actions and went straight back to being a genocidal maniac, the thing that got him killed 2 times before. So really the main difference between Otto and Frieza, and why I can't equate them together is because Frieza will never ever admit he's wrong or feel sympathy for his crimes. While Otto can and has admitted he's wrong for his actions, not to someone else to convince them of his goodness, but himself in his self monologuing. That's more than Frieza who's completely irredeemable could do.[/QUOTE]
Has he really admitted they're wrong, though? Sure, he SAYS he's changed, but he's still reflexetively using mental illness, or declaring that his plans were 'more nuanced' than that, or 'just trolling'. Otto wants to do better but does he even know what 'better' looks like or is he just going through what the motions of a superhero look like?
That he's /trying/ to do better is certain but it's far less clear if he knows what better looks like beyond playing the superhero.
I thinks his frustration is going to come down to the accolades feeling hollow in the face of a little dose of self knowledge.
[QUOTE=Tendrin;4455494]Has he really admitted they're wrong, though? Sure, he SAYS he's changed, but he's still reflexetively using mental illness, or declaring that his plans were 'more nuanced' than that, or 'just trolling'. Otto wants to do better but does he even know what 'better' looks like or is he just going through what the motions of a superhero look like?
That he's /trying/ to do better is certain but it's far less clear if he knows what better looks like beyond playing the superhero.
I thinks his frustration is going to come down to the accolades feeling hollow in the face of a little dose of self knowledge.[/QUOTE]
I do remember that self monologue he had in Superior Octopus, though it was about Anna he admitted he was accused of many crimes and is guilty of them. Though it was a passing comment, it still shows he knows he was in the wrong in some capacity. Though he uses the "mental illness" excuse to try and brush of his crimes to other people, and perhaps himself, deep down he knows he did bad things, he's just not willing to admit it to anyone else, as if yet.
And Otto I'd say is doing what a hero should be doing and what's most important, saving lives, he's not doing it to bathe in some sort of glory, and even though he's finally attained that glory, it still doesn't satisfy him it seems, but I don't believe he's doing heroics for some selfish reason, I do think he's trying to improve. And with Anna being his probation officer, she really is a huge influence on him, encouraging him to be more social, and not think of people as beneath him which paid off with that dinner Otto attended, or with him consoling a child about his dead mother, or being honest and upfront with Emma instead of deceiving her like he did Anna. So I'd say perhaps Otto doesn't know how to be better by himself but the people around him can definitely help him change. Which coincidentally, relating back to the DBZ discussion we had before is how Vegeta became a better man from the cold ruthless killer he was before.
[QUOTE=GSman;4455505]I do remember that self monologue he had in Superior Octopus, though it was about Anna he admitted he was accused of many crimes and is guilty of them. Though it was a passing comment, it still shows he knows he was in the wrong in some capacity. Though he uses the "mental illness" excuse to try and brush of his crimes to other people, and perhaps himself, deep down he knows he did bad things, he's just not willing to admit it to anyone else, as if yet.
And Otto I'd say is doing what a hero should be doing and what's most important, saving lives, he's not doing it to bathe in some sort of glory, and even though he's finally attained that glory, it still doesn't satisfy him it seems, but I don't believe he's doing heroics for some selfish reason, I do think he's trying to improve. And with Anna being his probation officer, she really is a huge influence on him, encouraging him to be more social, and not think of people as beneath him which paid off with that dinner Otto attended, or with him consoling a child about his dead mother, or being honest and upfront with Emma instead of deceiving her like he did Anna. So I'd say perhaps Otto doesn't know how to be better by himself but the people around him can definitely help him change. Which coincidentally, relating back to the DBZ discussion we had before is how Vegeta became a better man from the cold ruthless killer he was before.[/QUOTE]
Okay, but being nice to kids is a pretty low bar. ;)
I'm saying it, it's ambiguous and I think the story is better for it, so far.
[QUOTE=Tendrin;4455544]Okay, but being nice to kids is a pretty low bar. ;)
I'm saying it, it's ambiguous and I think the story is better for it, so far.[/QUOTE]
True, consoling children isn't the epitome of heroics, but for Otto, that's probably one of his most defining moments as a hero, in my eyes anyway, which shows he's actually trying, and can even relate to a child. Big change from the Otto we had 7 years ago.
[QUOTE=Tendrin;4455494]Has he really admitted they're wrong, though? Sure, he SAYS he's changed, but he's still reflexetively using mental illness, or declaring that his plans were 'more nuanced' than that, or 'just trolling'. Otto wants to do better but does he even know what 'better' looks like or is he just going through what the motions of a superhero look like?
That he's /trying/ to do better is certain but it's far less clear if he knows what better looks like beyond playing the superhero.
I thinks his frustration is going to come down to the accolades feeling hollow in the face of a little dose of self knowledge.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, this is why I can't see Otto as a Vegeta type especially a modern Vegeta analog but to each their own.
I read the Superior Spiderman series from a few years ago. Is this a new one? Is this Doc Ock as Spiderman again? How did he come back?
[QUOTE=tbaron;4456169]I read the Superior Spiderman series from a few years ago. Is this a new one? Is this Doc Ock as Spiderman again? How did he come back?[/QUOTE]
He's a time-displaced Otto from Spider-Verse (from before Goblin Nation) who put his consciousness into a bot before being sent back, then the Living Brain, then a bot again, then a new version of his original body, then a hybrid clone body of his and Peter's DNA, then he joined Hydra as Superior Octopus, then he left Hydra, then he went to the West Coast, then he become Spider-Man again
Spider-Verse, then Clone Conspiracy, then ASM's Secret Empire tie-ins, then Amazing Spider-Man #800, then Spider-Geddon, then this new book
Okay. Okay. OKAY.
This book has not one, not two, but THREE out of nowhere guest stars!
[spoil]Peter Parker, the Spectacular Spider-Menace![/spoil]
[spoil]The Terrifying Turner D. Century![/spoil]
And saving the best for last...
[spoil]The Spine-Tingling SPIDERS-MAN!!! (And Norman)[/spoil]
But yeah, this issue was 10x more dope than I anticipated. This book is the ****.