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[QUOTE=Osiris-Rex;4642000]In the Arrowverse on season 4 of Arrow when Felicity was trying to think of a codename she wanted to use Oracle but was told it was already take. It is now season 8 of Arrow. So Oracle has been around in the
Arrowverse for at least 4 years. That would have been before Batman left Gotham City. And its possible that Oracle has been around longer than that if the people in Star City know about Oracle. So with Batgirl
disappearing years ago maybe Vesper came to Gotham City afterwards or people assumed Batgirl was Batman. With the two of them roaming about in the dark it might be no one noticed one was a woman.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if they even remember that reference :p.
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[QUOTE=Frontier;4642405]I don't know if they even remember that reference :p.[/QUOTE]
Most likely they don't, so I wouldn't put too much weight on it myself.
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[QUOTE=Immortal Weapon;4642375]They should be. If they plan on redeeming Alice being controlled by Hatter would be a easiest thing for them to do.[/QUOTE]
Personally, that would seem more like a cop-out than a redemption. I hope they wouldn't take such an easy way out. Also, they already have Batwoman as an off-shoot of Batman. Making Alice an off-shoot of a male villain as well doesn't come across well.
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[QUOTE=j9ac9k;4642464]Personally, that would seem more like a cop-out than a redemption. I hope they wouldn't take such an easy way out. Also, they already have Batwoman as an off-shoot of Batman. Making Alice an off-shoot of a male villain as well doesn't come across well.[/QUOTE]
I would find it odd for villains to share the same motif in the same city to not be connected.
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[QUOTE=Immortal Weapon;4642469]I would find it odd for villains to share the same motif in the same city to not be connected.[/QUOTE]
Sometimes it just happens:
"Volcano, Dante’s Peak, Deep Impact, Armageddon, right? Wyatt Earp, Tombstone.”
“Panda Express, Yoshinoya Beef Bowl.” ;)
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[QUOTE=Immortal Weapon;4642375]They should be. If they plan on redeeming Alice being controlled by Hatter would be a easiest thing for them to do.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Immortal Weapon;4642469]I would find it odd for villains to share the same motif in the same city to not be connected.[/QUOTE]
Not sure it fits the narrative of this show to have a woman be the puppet of a man, even if she is a villain. If anyone is controlling Alice it is probably Catherine. Or at least Catherine had a role in creating Alice
whether intentionally or inadvertently.
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Gail Simone wants to write an episode:
[URL="https://twitter.com/GailSimone/status/1186505890599337984"]https://twitter.com/GailSimone/status/1186505890599337984[/URL]
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Was it a good time to redesign the batsuit when people are about to die and every second counts?
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[QUOTE=Kirby101;4643441]Was it a good time to redesign the batsuit when people are about to die and every second counts?[/QUOTE]
The suit still needed to be fixed, and the changes made wouldn't take that long.
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[QUOTE=Caivu;4643510]The suit still needed to be fixed, and the changes made wouldn't take that long.[/QUOTE]
Long enough for the staff in the elevator to be killed. But unnamed cast doesn't count in these shows.
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[QUOTE=Kirby101;4643556]Long enough for the staff in the elevator to be killed. But unnamed cast doesn't count in these shows.[/QUOTE]
That happened before she changed the suit. And, Kate and Luke knew that they had another hour before the next murder.
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[QUOTE=Immortal Weapon;4642375]They should be. If they plan on redeeming Alice being controlled by Hatter would be a easiest thing for them to do.[/QUOTE]
Just what these shows need. Another mind control plot.
That will be next year's crossover- survivors of mind control anonymous. It could be like BTAS episode 'Almost Got 'Em' with the survivors sitting around a poker table, playing cards and talking about the times they were mind controlled. It would be Thea, Sara, Mick, Barry, Alex, Mary Sue Kelly, and Alice. And Kate could be in disguise as someone else.
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[QUOTE=Caivu;4643087]Gail Simone wants to write an episode:
[URL="https://twitter.com/GailSimone/status/1186505890599337984"]https://twitter.com/GailSimone/status/1186505890599337984[/URL][/QUOTE]
I wonder what she would write...Catman? A pseudo-Birds of Prey? A nod to Oracle?
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[QUOTE=Caivu;4643510]The suit still needed to be fixed, and the changes made wouldn't take that long.[/QUOTE]
In retrospect, seems like it was a crazy idea to actually shoot a hole in the suit just to demonstrate its effectiveness to Kate, hm? ;)