The news that CBS has embargoed any reviews until after it's aired is not exactly a sign of confidence. I really wanted to have a good Trek show to watch again, but it looks like this one is already dead in the water.
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The news that CBS has embargoed any reviews until after it's aired is not exactly a sign of confidence. I really wanted to have a good Trek show to watch again, but it looks like this one is already dead in the water.
I'm planning on watching it with a friend who has his mom's CBS all access account. Otherwise I wouldn't care.
I am a huge Trekkie and will probably get All-Access for it. But no. Not excited at all.
Can't say i'm very excited. I'm going to give it a fair try though.
It looks like it's an entirely different reality and off in its own little world so no I'm not really excited at all for it...
Michelle Yeoh is in it. I'm sold.
Can't support it at all. Everything from the Klingons not being anything like actual Klingons to the "new" technology to it being a prequel only attempting to appeal to Kelvin or TOS fans turns me off so much. All the fans want to see is something post-Nemesis. Like, that's literally ALL we want. Stop trying to do prequels or tell stories to try and appeal to nostalgia or whatever. Nobody cares anymore. Just please do something in the present day of the Prime Timeline. But they don't want to listen to the fans at all, which is why we have this crap.
What is the present day of the timeline?
It should be around the return of Voyager no? Nothing new since then.
edit : wait, forgot about nemesis.
[QUOTE=Starter Set;3092980]It should be around the return of Voyager no? Nothing new since then.
edit : wait, forgot about nemesis.[/QUOTE]
In that case, who even gives a crap about the present day of the Prime Timeline? I don't feel anything is lost by just letting it die.
The last new thing with the present timeline was Countdown, which wasn't too shabby. Could have easily made a new audio or animated movie.
The reason to keep going backward instead of forward in the timeline is so that the general audience doesn't get put off having to know too much about Star Trek history. You do something Trek post-Nemesis and there is bound to be a perception - whether based in reality or not - that you have to understand the movies, Voyagers, DS9, TNG, TOS, Enterprise....all of it. Turns some people away without giving it a chance (and there's a good chance justifiably so).
Where I think they fail is not in going backwards, but in twisting the universe around so that going backwards and introducing new stuff is somehow in the same continuity as the later (in timeline) stuff, even though it supplants most or all of what we knew and just references the pop culture points. Vulcan, Starfleet, and a handful of other things that most people today have heard of but aren't familiar with.
I'm hesitant to say Discovery doesn't have a prayer. It looks over-visualized and confusing to me, and doesn't offer me a compelling reason to watch it. But it might be good. However, it would seem to me that in this case CBS must - [I]must -[I] be counting on a substantial fan base getting behind the series immediately and letting word spread from there, by virtue of the fact that it's intended to be the successful launch of a pay service.
The actual result? Remains to be seen, but I wouldn't be surprised if high ranking people are fired over this.
No.
Not even remotely excited for STD
I can wait for the reviews to either savage it or hail it as a triumph of the will. Rotten Tomatoes will be my guide.
I'm curious. I'm not excited, but interested to see what it is. I'd like it to be good, but the embargo isn't a good sign.
Interested, but not thrilled.
I'd like to see a Trek series go back even farther, to the time of James Cochran. The earth exhibited in First Contact might make for some good stories, and less chance of crating technological paradoxes.
I'm not exactly a huge Star Trek fan, though I was once. Was a big fan of TOS when I was a kid, and had a bunch of the toys and action figures... the bridge set, phaser, tricorder, communicator, all of it. I remember playing Star Trek with my friend and using the box a water heater came in as a jeffries tube. I loved TNG, though it was a bit hit-or-miss. Liked DS9 okay, though the ending sucked. Voyager was OK for a while, but I stopped watching at some point before it ended. Hated Enterprise. I watched the J.J. Abrams movie and enjoyed it well enough, but more as a novelty than as a new franchise I was interested in getting involved with. Didn't watch any of its sequels. And now, my interest in Discovery is minimal.
I guess I just lose interest in franchises after a while. The MCU is losing its luster for me too, even though the movies are still mostly good. I just want something new.
I'm remotely excited...as in I'm keeping my distance and making no contact with this.
It seems to be making a few of the mistakes of Enterprise, not only the technology but also it seems to be sort of more action-oriented instead of exploration. Also, the uniforms are blue again (Made sense in Enterprise, as they were kind of descended from NASA's look, but here it seems kind of strange, especially since this is supposed to take place around the same time as "The Cage"), and you'd figure they'd be a little more inventive with the Alien crew member-he pretty much looks like he came off the set of any of the spin-offs. (Although the JJ series was kind of unimaginitive with the aliens too).
Also, a lot of the dialogue from the teasers seems to be strongly hinting at how special the speed of the ship is and how "we're going further than anyone else"-which is something that was pretty much an arc in Enterprise as well.
Plus another unknown semi-relative to Spock? Didn't exactly go over well the first time, although the concept of somebody brought up in the vulcan way becoming more human (or what it seems to be) instead of the other way around could be intriquing (Although that sounds sort of similar to Data's arc)
I'll give it a shot. For the most part, the cast is a big draw for me, and it's great to see Jason Isaacs and Michelle Yeoh working together. This is probably the strongest cast Trek's ever assembled for a main crew (since most Trek crews tend to be up-and-coming or rookie actors), including the Kelvinverse.
Though, i'm not gonna lie, Sonequa Martin-Greene is looking mighty fine.
My biggest problem with this show is that it's not plausible for it and TOS to be in the same continuity and a similar time period... that just doesn't work. So I'm choosing to keep TOS and ditch this.
If in the Kelvinverse I'm interested if the Prime Universe as been said no not interested and that's sad because I've seen all Star Trek episodes of all series and all films. Also nor getting the CBS All Access App I'll watch the première.
I am muted about it, like Enterprise I don't like the idea of them meddling with Star Trek's past continuity, to the extent I hear it's basically going to secretly be another alternate timeline like the Kelvin one. And that other rumor that CBS has already given up on this show and is planing to imply it was always an anthology series and replace it with the in development Kahn mini series.
Really it feels like they don't know what works with Star Trek or what the feel of it should be anymore. And the TNG/DS9/Voyager era was my Star Trek, so I would like it if we finally got to have stories set in that period (or maybe ones set between TOS and TNG).
As a Trekker, i am! I willgive it a chance before making any jugdements.
[QUOTE=AndrewCrossett;3093718]My biggest problem with this show is that it's not plausible for it and TOS to be in the same continuity and a similar time period... that just doesn't work. So I'm choosing to keep TOS and ditch this.[/QUOTE]
He says having not seen it.
I'm not "excited", since I don't really feel that way about any show. "Interested" works. I was into TNG and DS9, but not Voyager or Enterprise. I gave them all a shot, though. I'll do the same with this.
[QUOTE=Joker;3093900]He says having not seen it.[/QUOTE]
He says having seen enough to know that it looks absurdly different from anything in TOS.
I know the visuals of TOS are from the 60's and you couldn't replicate them today... but in that case they shouldn't do another show in that time period. It makes TOS canonically implausible, and a little ridiculous.
[QUOTE=AndrewCrossett;3094038]He says having seen enough to know that it looks absurdly different from anything in TOS.
I know the visuals of TOS are from the 60's and you couldn't replicate them today... but in that case they shouldn't do another show in that time period. It makes TOS canonically implausible, and a little ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
I think people need to look at the TOS era differently one of course it's not our world but also it's a world that went thru a WWIII that nearly took it back to a Pre-Industrial Age tech and they had to rebuild with the added element of alien technology once 1st contact happened so god knows what their tech would like in the 23rd century compared to us.
I was (sadly) more interested in the Orville to be honest. I'll give STD (that is rather unfortunate) a look with no expectations.
The visuals of the Originals Series are so rooted in the 1960's it's pretty much always been incompatible with the rest of Trek,crossovers notwithstanding.
Morbid curiosity might be a better way of describing my present interest. If it succeeds great, but right now I find the drama surrounding it more interesting than the ideas behind the show itself.
[QUOTE=Carabas;3094877]The visuals of the Originals Series are so rooted in the 1960's it's pretty much always been incompatible with the rest of Trek,crossovers notwithstanding.[/QUOTE]
I'd argue that the Abrams movies at least captured the uniform style (although with some modifications).
[QUOTE=Carabas;3094877]The visuals of the Originals Series are so rooted in the 1960's it's pretty much always been incompatible with the rest of Trek,crossovers notwithstanding.[/QUOTE]
That's why I think they should leave that era alone. As it stands you can accept that that things changed a lot in the several decades between TOS and TNG... but it doesn't make sense to have a series that takes place before, or around the same time as, TOS and have the level of technology be vastly different.
I agree with those who say the Trekverse should push forward, not look back.
I'll check it out despite the PC crap. At least it's in the original ST universe and not the Abbrams version. Plus I wanna see how Harry Mudd will be portrayed.
[QUOTE=AJBopp;3093079]The reason to keep going backward instead of forward in the timeline is so that the general audience doesn't get put off having to know too much about Star Trek history. You do something Trek post-Nemesis and there is bound to be a perception - whether based in reality or not - that you have to understand the movies, Voyagers, DS9, TNG, TOS, Enterprise....all of it. Turns some people away without giving it a chance (and there's a good chance justifiably so). [/QUOTE]
I disagree. They could do a series/film with completely new characters only making small references to what came before, a fresh start that can still respect the canon. I'm sorry but I just don't understand your argument. Not everyone has seen the original Doctor Who episodes but at least New Who tries its best to have continuity without confusing anyone. When they keep going backwards it's not for any reason other than to appeal to nostalgia, and all they're doing is destroying the canon. It's ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Carabas;3093042]In that case, who even gives a crap about the present day of the Prime Timeline? I don't feel anything is lost by just letting it die.[/QUOTE]
Most of the fans, believe it or not. It's been 20+ years since Nemesis, almost 10 since the destruction of Romulus. Given that STO is not canon and neither are the books (although both have some pretty great stories) , we know virtually nothing about what's happening in the Star Trek Universe and there are so many stories that could be told. Imagine a Star Trek series with trans/interwarp, new, more sophisticated technology, new galaxies and quadrants. Going backwards limits all the stuff you can do and new things that you can introduce. But clearly the DSC producers don't give a **** about that.
[QUOTE=Dr. Skeleton;3094952]I'll check it out despite the PC crap. At least it's in the original ST universe and not the Abbrams version. Plus I wanna see how Harry Mudd will be portrayed.[/QUOTE]
What PC crap?
I love when Star Trek fans complain about "PC crap" as if the show hasn't been progressive since day one.
[QUOTE=AndrewCrossett;3094944]I agree with those who say the Trekverse should push forward, not look back.[/QUOTE]
Same. Though at this point i just wish for a show using the good ol' formula of one ship exploring uncharted space, meeting new species and just boldly go where no one has gone before. Next Generation was great but it deals a lot with alpha and beta quadrant politics and big events. DS9 of course is centered mostly on one single place. I liked very much the more straightforward concept of Voyager. (it's not my favorite show, but the basic idea was really good)
[QUOTE=Starter Set;3095323]Same. Though at this point i just wish for a show using the good ol' formula of one ship exploring uncharted space, meeting new species and just boldly go where no one has gone before. Next Generation was great but it deals a lot with alpha and beta quadrant politics and big events. DS9 of course is centered mostly on one single place. I liked very much the more straightforward concept of Voyager. (it's not my favorite show, but the basic idea was really good)[/QUOTE]
Yep. Back to the basics... same premise as TOS but with a new crew. No fancy high concept. I suppose audiences today require story arcs, but I miss the days when you could watch any Trek episode at random and everything would make sense. They should aim for that.
Also I'm annoyed with STD over the Spock now [SPOIL] Has an adopted human sister [/SPOIL] I mean really we never heard about this before? That's my issues it's all due to it being set in the Prime Timeline 10 years before TOS. Make it after Nemesis or even between the Undiscovered Country and TNG. But how it contradicted Prime canon annoys me a lot and I'm usually not a stickler for such things like Enterprise never bothered me because it was so far away from anything already Canon.
Oh also Star Trek was always "PC" to quote Jonathan Frakes "Gene was a proud card carrying Liberal" so yeah I don't get where Star Trek was ever not PC diverse cast, first interracial kiss on American television, and one of the first same sex kisses on American Television on DS9 this show was always that.