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[QUOTE=Spidey5640;5042041]Dems idea of looking out for the little guy...
[url]https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/08/florida-democrats-return-ppp-money-354252[/url][/QUOTE]
It's Florida (where anything and everything happens), and they are returning the money. No excuses, they were wrong, they should have known better.
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[QUOTE=Spidey5640;5042041]Dems idea of looking out for the little guy...
[url]https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/08/florida-democrats-return-ppp-money-354252[/url][/QUOTE]
We have what? 11 Trump family members or campaign officials (including a super PAC) and 19 cabinet members or family that got PPP loans? 6 GOP Super PACs?
36-1. I guess since them Dems weren't perfect, it's the worst thing ever.
Both sides are bad, right? ;)
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[QUOTE=Spidey5640;5042061][url]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/nyregion/indian-road-cafe-trump.html#click=https://t.co/bMQ2YniUWz[/url]
and here's an example of their tolerance for people who don't agree with them....[/QUOTE]
People have a right to patronage whatever establishment they choose. If going to a restaurant makes them uncomfortable, or for whatever reason, it's their choice. It doesn't matter if you are a conservative or a liberal, there is no law saying you have to go to a specific place.
This is a year where politics is very heated, more so than in past years. People are going to act emotionally.
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[URL="https://www.nj.com/eagles/2020/07/********owner-jeffrey-lurie-to-executive-produce-the-meaning-of-hitler-with-newly-formed-production-company.html"]Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie’s production company announces completion of ‘The Meaning of Hitler’ project[/URL]
[QUOTE]“We couldn’t be prouder that The Meaning of Hitler is the first completed film made by our new documentary production company, Play/Action Pictures,” said Lurie (via Deadline). “I envisioned Play/Action to be a leading creative force for films that engage with the most crucial and challenging issues of our time. The rise of white supremacy and neo-fascism in the United States and the world over are among the most important and serious threats we face today.”
According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter, the documentary “is an interrogation of our culture’s fascination with Hitler and Nazism set against the backdrop of the current rise of white supremacy, the normalization of anti-Semitism, and the weaponization of history itself that was filmed in nine countries over three years.”
The project has been in development for three years, according to Schefter.[/QUOTE]
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[URL="https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1281305053878501377?s=20"]NEW: The judge in Michael Flynn's case has asked the full DC Circuit to reconsider the 2-1 panel decision that would force him to grant DOJ's motion to dismiss the prosecution. [/URL]
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[QUOTE=Tami;5042148][URL="https://www.nj.com/eagles/2020/07/********owner-jeffrey-lurie-to-executive-produce-the-meaning-of-hitler-with-newly-formed-production-company.html"]Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie’s production company announces completion of ‘The Meaning of Hitler’ project[/URL][/QUOTE]
Very timely.
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[QUOTE=BeastieRunner;5042009]If Trump loses in a landslide, both popular and EC, I fully expect him to resign in December and Pence to pardon him.
IF it's contested at the EC level, I fully expect him to try to pull a lame coup attempt.[/QUOTE]
Pence can't pardon Trump for state crimes... which is what SDNY are going after him on.
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[QUOTE=worstblogever;5042194]Pence can't pardon Trump for state crimes... which is what SDNY are going after him on.[/QUOTE]
I hope Trump and Pence both forget that and Trump runs away anyway.
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I'm not nearly optimistic enough to assume that Trump won't "win" a second term. He's probably going to "win" his third, and fourth terms too.
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[QUOTE=Personamanx;5042203]I'm not nearly optimistic enough to assume that Trump won't "win" a second term. He's probably going to "win" his third, and fourth terms too.[/QUOTE]
If Trump somehow manages to circumvent the election process and 'win', I guarantee that Democrats will take control of the House, the Senate ad even State level positions. Bottom line, if he won, and the Dems control the house and senate, they will impeach him again and this time the senate will convict. It will be one of the shortest 2nd terms on record.
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[QUOTE=The no face guy;5041857]Yes I've thought about that to, I think when he leaves office he's going to go through pure hell in criminal investigations. I think it will be too controversial and damaging to the nation to imprison a former President, but both he and his son, and the Trump name will be drummed out of running for office forever. (I would say politics, but I can see him trying to start up some sort of Breitbart media organization to continue his adoration, and help gather support against his investigations)
Personally, I just finally want to see his tax returns. what kind of Presidential candidate doesn't release his tax returns? He is a master conman, so I wouldn't be surprised if his net worth is highly undervalued, but can taxes show links to Russian business's?[/QUOTE]
After all the bullshit Trump has pulled, I really don't see how it would be damaging to see a former President in jail. He's already tossed aside so many norms, lets see a new one enforced. No one is above the law.
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[QUOTE=worstblogever;5042194]Pence can't pardon Trump for state crimes... which is what SDNY are going after him on.[/QUOTE]
I know.
He'll get a blanket pardon and start admitting to **** in court, saying it doesn't matter because he was pardoned.
He's done that before, sans the pardon.
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;5042251]After all the bullshit Trump has pulled, I really don't see how it would be damaging to see a former President in jail. He's already tossed aside so many norms, lets see a new one enforced. No one is above the law.[/QUOTE]
I agree no one should be above the law, you do the crime you do the time. That being said, unless there is a smoking gun, I think he will get off in the end. Powerful people are going to look at this and contemplate that a President going to prison could not only have a profoundly negative affect on the moral of the nation towards government, but in a country that has never been so divided along partisan lines since the 1970's, a prison sentence could kick over a powder keg.
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[QUOTE=Robotman;5041722]The one vote per state rule is absolutely ridiculous.[/QUOTE]It requires a constitutional amendment to change it.
There is a push to remove the power of the Senate, or anything that gives small states greater power relative to their population, but it's going to be really hard to change.
[QUOTE=Tendrin;5041172][url]https://twitter.com/scottbix/status/1280927924489555968[/url]
Scott Bixby says:[/QUOTE] That seems to be whataboutism, with the difference that typical whataboutism covers contemporaneous events, as opposed to asking public intellectuals about the actions of the government more than 45 years ago.
[QUOTE=The no face guy;5042299]I agree no one should be above the law, you do the crime you do the time. That being said, unless there is a smoking gun, I think he will get off in the end. Powerful people are going to look at this and contemplate that a President going to prison could not only have a profoundly negative affect on the moral of the nation towards government, but in a country that has never been so divided along partisan lines since the 1970's, a prison sentence could kick over a powder keg.[/QUOTE]
The likeliest outcome is no criminal prosecution, but I suspect some kind of plea deal for cooperation has more of a chance of happening than the conviction some people here think is to be expected.