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[QUOTE]“Family Dinner” – Amazon juggernaut Grace Choi has to meet her girlfriend Anissa Pierce’s dad for dinner. But when your girlfriend is Thunder, that means meeting the parents is that much more stressful because her father is Black Lightning![/QUOTE]
...How have I been reading comics for 13 years and I've never heard of this character...
Time to go checkout the Outsiders series!!!
Hopefully it leads to her getting the spotlight.
[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5468670]...How have I been reading comics for 13 years . . . [/QUOTE]How much / what series were you reading prior to [B][I][FONT=Comic Sans MS][COLOR="#FF0000"]Flushpoint[/COLOR] / [COLOR="#0000FF"]New 52[/COLOR][/FONT][/I][/B]?
[QUOTE=MajorHoy;5468780]How much / what series were you reading prior to [B][I][FONT=Comic Sans MS][COLOR="#FF0000"]Flushpoint[/COLOR] / [COLOR="#0000FF"]New 52[/COLOR][/FONT][/I][/B]?[/QUOTE]
Mostly [I]The New Teen Titans[/I] and [I]Wonder Woman[/I] (Golden age and Post-Crisis mostly) :p Edit: Also [I]Supergirl (1996)[/I]
I'm very big on re-reading so I usually just pick a story arc and read it to death, my comic progression is slowwww. (I'll say though, my early years of comics was very X-Men heavy. [I]Uncanny X-Men, New Mutants, Generation X[/I]. I read those a lot, and not much else :p)
Grace first appeared in the 2003 Outsiders series led by Nightwing. She maintained a prominent role in the various Outsiders series until the Flashpoint reboot.
There was even a series of oneshots under the banner of Five of a Kind in which an Outsider teamed up with a more prominent hero. Grace co-starred with Wonder Woman. [ATTACH=CONFIG]108131[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]108132[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]108133[/ATTACH]
I've missed Grace Choi in comics. And this is one perfect premise. I hope she stays around. Is it too much to ask for a follow up on this in the Pride Anthology?
[QUOTE=Avi;5468935]I've missed Grace Choi in comics. And this is one perfect premise. I hope she stays around. Is it too much to ask for a follow up on this in the Pride Anthology?[/QUOTE]
They already announced the contents of the Pride anthology, Grace isn't in it:
[LIST][*]Batwoman (Kate Kane) by James Tynion IV & Trung Le Nguyen[*]Poison Ivy & Harley Quinn by Mariko Tamaki & Amy Reeder[*]Midnighter by Steve Orlando & Stephen Byrne[*]Flash of Earth-11 (Jess Chambers) by Danny Lore & Lisa Sterle[*]Green Lantern (Alan Scott) & Obsidian by Sam Johns & Klaus Janson[*]Aqualad (Jackson Hyde) by Andrew Wheeler & Luciano Vecchio[*]Dreamer by Nicole Maines & Rachael Stott[*]Renee Montoya by Vita Ayala and Skylar Patridge[*]Pied Piper by Sina Grace, Ro Stein & Ted Brandt[/LIST]
[QUOTE=Hypo;5468651][B][URL="https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2021/04/05/dc-festival-of-heroes-introduces-monkey-prince"]DC Festival of Heroes Introduces Monkey Prince![/URL][/B][/QUOTE]
I'm happy she's described as an "Amazon juggernaut" and not a random shapeshifter like in the Black Lightning tv series. I'm also happy to see her in comics after so many years but this feels a little cheap to me. She goes unused for so long until it's time to trot her out for an all Asian superhero special. I don't like it.
Ah Grace is an odd one. When she was created she was simply a metahuman with a healing factor and superstrength until years later in Amazons Attack shes retconned to have unknowingly been an Amazon all along. Specifically an orphan of the Bana-Mighdall who just wound up out in the world somehow.
Its not very often that a character gets Wonder Woman elements rolled into their background years after their creation.
[QUOTE=Fuzzy Mittens;5469394]Ah Grace is an odd one. When she was created she was simply a metahuman with a healing factor and superstrength until years later in Amazons Attack shes retconned to have unknowingly been an Amazon all along. Specifically an orphan of the Bana-Mighdall who just wound up out in the world somehow.
Its not very often that a character gets Wonder Woman elements rolled into their background years after their creation.[/QUOTE]
You sure that was the case with Grace? I haven't seen Judd Winick say anything about his plans for the character. She was a powerhouse of intentionally mysterious origin in the early days and then the layers of her background emerged. I hated the Americas Most Wanted crossover that gave her the background of "abused child who grew strong during her suffering (literally), but I guess that story itself painted her as a meta...or was it just her Amazon physiognomy kicking in since she was a hybrid? Or both.
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If nothing else, this thread reinforces that we need a FORGOTTEN SISTER: GRACE CHOI appreciation thread.
I like Grace but I never really cared for her being an Amazon and its clear DC never intended for her to be initially.
[QUOTE=Thirteen;5474190]You sure that was the case with Grace? I haven't seen Judd Winick say anything about his plans for the character. She was a powerhouse of intentionally mysterious origin in the early days and then the layers of her background emerged. I hated the Americas Most Wanted crossover that gave her the background of "abused child who grew strong during her suffering (literally), but I guess that story itself painted her as a meta...or was it just her Amazon physiognomy kicking in since she was a hybrid? Or both.
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If nothing else, this thread reinforces that we need a FORGOTTEN SISTER: GRACE CHOI appreciation thread.[/QUOTE]
The thing is as a Bana-Mighdall Amazon she shouldn't have the powers she does. They're not even equal to the Themyscirans, they're not immortal and are basically regular women with heavily diluted Amazon heritage. You could explain it away with her being a genetic throwback or something, who inherited meta power levels, but she really shouldn't be any stronger than Artemis.
[QUOTE=Koriand'r;5474415]The thing is as a Bana-Mighdall Amazon she shouldn't have the powers she does. They're not even equal to the Themyscirans, they're not immortal and are basically regular women with heavily diluted Amazon heritage. You could explain it away with her being a genetic throwback or something, who inherited meta power levels, but she really shouldn't be any stronger than Artemis.[/QUOTE]
She could have gotten the powers from whoever her father was.
[QUOTE=Agent Z;5475133]She could have gotten the powers from whoever her father was.[/QUOTE]
And her father was......?
[QUOTE=BiteTheBullet;5475298]And her father was......?[/QUOTE]
I don't know. It was just a theory.
She could be a meta human and an Amazon of the Bana Migdall Tribe.
[QUOTE=BiteTheBullet;5475298]And her father was......?[/QUOTE]
An as yet to be named human as far as we know. She has only mentioned having an "Ama-MOM".
[QUOTE=John Venus;5475704]She could be a meta human and an Amazon of the Bana Migdall Tribe.[/QUOTE]
That's what Im thinking...
If they do intend to keep the Bana Amazon angle with Grace, it would be nice if they actually explored that and did some stuff with it.
As it currently stands in the canon, the short arc in Lobdells 'Red Hood and the Outlaws' and Orlandos run on Wonder Woman are the sum of world building for the group, and neither one touches on how Grace could be connected to the Bana.
[QUOTE=Fuzzy Mittens;5477617]If they do intend to keep the Bana Amazon angle with Grace, it would be nice if they actually explored that and did some stuff with it.
As it currently stands in the canon, the short arc in Lobdells 'Red Hood and the Outlaws' and Orlandos run on Wonder Woman are the sum of world building for the group, and neither one touches on how Grace could be connected to the Bana.[/QUOTE]
Because she didn't exist for them until they needed an Asian. That's the part that sticks in my craw. She's a good character. With the unprecedented expansion we're experiencing of the Wonder Woman brand, it makes sense to include her, way before now.
[QUOTE=Koriand'r;5477905]Because she didn't exist for them until they needed an Asian. That's the part that sticks in my craw. She's a good character. With the unprecedented expansion we're experiencing of the Wonder Woman brand, it makes sense to include her, way before now.[/QUOTE]
The curious part of this is there is an Asian Wonder Woman, she just isn't in any way connected to the Amazons or the other members of the Wonder Family
....Has Artemis or Diana ever met Grace?
[QUOTE=Fuzzy Mittens;5477922]The curious part of this is there is an Asian Wonder Woman, she just isn't in any way connected to the Amazons or the other members of the Wonder Family
....Has Artemis or Diana ever met Grace?[/QUOTE]
Artemis hasn't that I can recall but Grace and Diana had their own special shortly after Amazons Attack that was supposed to add clarity to her story but didn't really.
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I'd make Grace the result of Bana-Mighdall technology in their effort for their own Wonder Woman after the failure of one too many Shim-tars.
[QUOTE=Avi;5468935]I've missed Grace Choi in comics. And this is one perfect premise. I hope she stays around. Is it too much to ask for a follow up on this in the Pride Anthology?[/QUOTE]
Not a follow up but Grace will also be appearing in The Other History of the DC Universe [URL="https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2021/06/25/the-other-history-of-the-dc-universe-spotlights-the-daughter-of-black-lightning"]which focuses on Anissa Pierce[/URL].
I doubt Grace will get to much of a focus, but ive been enjoying the series quite alot so far.
Did anyone read the issue with Grace meeting Black Lightning? I always liked Grace and I'm shocked that it took this long for her to be brought into comics. I would love for her to appear regularly again somewhere. I always felt she would have been perfect for Red Hood and the Outlaws, but it seems Artemis beat her to the punch.
[QUOTE=nj06;5605231]Did anyone read the issue with Grace meeting Black Lightning? I always liked Grace and I'm shocked that it took this long for her to be brought into comics. I would love for her to appear regularly again somewhere. I always felt she would have been perfect for Red Hood and the Outlaws, but it seems Artemis beat her to the punch.[/QUOTE]
In the special, Grace has dinner with Annisa and Jeff. They didn't get along at first but one supervillian fight later...things improve.
[QUOTE=the illustrious mr. kenway;5607911]In the special, Grace has dinner with Annisa and Jeff. They didn't get along at first but one supervillian fight later...things improve.[/QUOTE]
We need a Black Lightning family series with Grace, Ridley is bringing them back in Other Histry and they were already in a story with the special. I think we could do with a Black Lightning family book, either a mini/maxiseries or an ongoing.