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[QUOTE=HypnoHustler;6282186]Why do you reread Sins Past?[/quote]
I just don't think it's that bad, it has nice Peter/MJ moments, I'm also fascinated by Gwen and Norman and believe it makes her more interesting as a character.
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The Death of Jean DeWolff.
Sins Past.
One More Day.
The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 3.
The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 4.
The Amazing Spider-Man: Beyond Corporation.
The Amazing Spider-Man: Vol. 6.
TDOJDW is overrated. SP is the second worst Spider-Man story ever behind OMD. TASM Vol. 3, 4, TASM: B and TASM Vol. 6 made me drop the book.
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Sins Past + most of JMS run.
Clone Saga- all of it
ASM 900 - awful..
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Anything to do with getting Pete and MJ back together or breaking them up. Just pick one and move on, please. I really don't even care which at this point.
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[QUOTE=CaptainUniverse;6281956]Ha! I saw what you did there. But in all seriousness...yeah, it sucks total ass nowadays![/QUOTE]
Yeah . . .
[QUOTE=Vegeta;6282017]The Clone Saga, anything with Kraven or his family in it, (unless he is teamed up with much better villains ie: the Sinister Six) most of Dan Slott's run, One More Day, Spider-man: Reign, Claws and Claws 2, stories featuring Cardiac or Typeface...[/QUOTE]
I'll give you most of those, but what do you have against Cardiac, out of curiosity?
[QUOTE=HypnoHustler;6282186]Why do you reread Sins Past?
Generally co-signed about the latter JMS era. Anything from the era of Mike Deodato on pencils is deathly dull (while I don’t like him as much as JRJr it’s nothing against Deodato… the writing just coincidentally fell off around the same time he came on). The run picks up again with Ron Garney for the Civil War unmasking and then Back in Black is great (even though it introduced that dumb notion that the black suit represents Spidey’s dark side). But then of course OMD happens… so just have to dip out before that.[/QUOTE]
I think that dumb notion of Spider-Man's black suit representing or bringing out his darker side was a holdover from 90s TAS where it was established (and then retconned in the comics proper) that the symbiote amplified Peter's darker impulses and emotions and lessened his inhibitions about acting on those impulses and emotions.
[QUOTE=Batman Begins 2005;6282229]The Death of Jean DeWolff.
Sins Past.
One More Day.
The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 3.
The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 4.
The Amazing Spider-Man: Beyond Corporation.
The Amazing Spider-Man: Vol. 6.
TDOJDW is overrated. SP is the second worst Spider-Man story ever behind OMD. TASM Vol. 3, 4, TASM: B and TASM Vol. 6 made me drop the book.[/QUOTE]
Generally agreed, but I do want to hear why you think The Death of Jean DeWolff is overrated.
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It’s hard for me to reread Maximum Carnage, with Peter’s robot parents being there as support characters
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[QUOTE=Will Evans;6282958]It’s hard for me to reread Maximum Carnage, with Peter’s robot parents being there as support characters[/QUOTE]
Same. It gets me out of the story, knowing that the angry at world Richard is a robot is a turn off. Also, the ending is pretty weak.
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[QUOTE=Sr. Bungle;6282961]Same. It gets me out of the story, knowing that the angry at world Richard is a robot is a turn off. Also, the ending is pretty weak.[/QUOTE]
I hated that The Vision and the rest of The Avengers only showed up at the very end to haul Cletus' ass back to The Vault or whatever, they should have been there trying to stop Carnage as well.
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It’s objectively not a very good story, but Maximum Carnage has huge nostalgia points for me, because it’s the first tpb I bought with my own money. So I give it a re-read every now and then, and mostly turn my brain off and enjoy some mostly well-drawn fisticuffs
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[QUOTE=Will Evans;6282958]It’s hard for me to reread Maximum Carnage, with Peter’s robot parents being there as support characters[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sr. Bungle;6282961]Same. It gets me out of the story, knowing that the angry at world Richard is a robot is a turn off. Also, the ending is pretty weak.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CaptainUniverse;6283117]I hated that The Vision and the rest of The Avengers only showed up at the very end to haul Cletus' ass back to The Vault or whatever, they should have been there trying to stop Carnage as well.[/QUOTE]
Fair points on Maximum Carnage. Kudos for --- if the writers' words can be trusted on this --- trying to push back against the grimdark cynicism creeping into 90s superhero comics, but the execution sadly didn't land as well as it could or should have.
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[QUOTE=Vegan;6283160]It’s objectively not a very good story, but Maximum Carnage has huge nostalgia points for me, because it’s the first tpb I bought with my own money. So I give it a re-read every now and then, and mostly turn my brain off and enjoy some mostly well-drawn fisticuffs[/QUOTE]
Understandable. I had no idea it was even a comic story since I wasn't reading them back then. I just assumed Maximum Carnage was a video game only.
It was always a story I really wanted to like.
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[QUOTE=Matt Rat;6282199]I just don't think it's that bad, it has nice Peter/MJ moments, I'm also fascinated by Gwen and Norman and believe it makes her more interesting as a character.[/QUOTE]
Hard agree--Gwen ickiness aside, it's a lovely mystery plot, a fun challenge for Pete\MJ to overcome (Is the EX back?? Gasp!), and Deo's in great form.
Imho Back in Black is a mid story that coasts on ""Badass"" Peter pummeling Fisk. 2007's~ Garney is not there yet artistically, and the shift from JRJR\Deodato is drastic. Worst looking arc of JMS's run.
You ain't gotta give OMD much, but god damn, Joe Q! Man can draw!
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Oh yeah. Totally forgot about Sins Past. Talk about an example of terrible editorial interference. They should've just gone with JMS' original idea that they were Pete and Gwen's kids to begin with. No wonder he bounced shortly after that. I'd rather they never end this mystery of whatever Pete did to piss off MJ this time than return to that.
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Pretty much all of Brand New Day (up to Gauntlet) and the Byrne/Mackie reboot era (except Jenkins). Just years of miserable, joyless dreck.
Also, the Wolfman Amazing Spider-man era. I'm just not big on his takes or ideas for Spidey and, outside of a golden few years on Teen Titans/Crisis on Infinite Earths, I don't tend to enjoy his work. Don't hate it, just meh.
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Superior Spider-Man is one of those stories where [I]in a vacuum[/I] it's a great Doc Ock story, and I'm not surprised it's become become synonymous with his character. When you look at the bigger picture though, like Otto in Peter acting so wildly out of character people just kind of shrugged because "well Peter is a weird dude" and Peter in Otto's mind trying to prevent the life saving surgery to the child because Slott in the moment really needed Otto to have the moral high ground even though that is grossly out of character for Peter.
And then there's the actual gross stuff like Otto carrying out romances in Peter's body.